Look what one of our fellow Az'rs did

BPG24 said:
Look man, I tried to get it worked out HERE first.
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so you participated in an illegal activity (prolly), feel like you were screwed over, went to AZ, then blew the whistle to paypal? do i have it right? man isnt that like the guy who goes to the cops to complain that his dime bag was short and he wants his dealer arrested?

common bpg24 just grow up man

brian
 
pocketspeed said:
so you participated in an illegal activity (prolly), feel like you were screwed over, went to AZ, then blew the whistle to paypal? do i have it right? man isnt that like the guy who goes to the cops to complain that his dime bag was short and he wants his dealer arrested?

common bpg24 just grow up man

brian
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Preach on brother cooper.
 
pocketspeed said:
so you participated in an illegal activity (prolly), feel like you were screwed over, went to AZ, then blew the whistle to paypal? do i have it right? man isnt that like the guy who goes to the cops to complain that his dime bag was short and he wants his dealer arrested?

common bpg24 just grow up man

brian
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So your one of those idiots that doesn't care at all about the people that may be getting screwed out of their money unless the outcome effects you.

Sounds like you need to grow up.
 
SpiderWebComm said:
BPG:

All we're asking is what specifically was wrong. That's all. You said something about posting screen-shots and no one has a clue what you're talking about.

I read this entire thread 3x and I still don't have a clue. Don't be cryptic, just spill the beans. What went wrong? I'm not drawing conclusions, I just want the info. :)

Dave

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You beat me to it. So a question is: If someone buys a slot and the powerball picked the winner, what can he edit to affect the outcome? If you buy slot 10 and the powerball wasn't 10, you know that and you know you're a loser. If he used multiple boards, it's prob to make sure he sells all the slots. If you buy 1,3,5, 15, 27 and powerball is 13....well, if he cheated someone it wasn't you.

I'm still lost.
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I'm a little lost myself but I can sort of see how it can be rigged (rigged is a strong word here since pimp cannot control powerball). There are, however, things that he can manipulate (again, I doubt pimp did this but it is possible).

For instance, because he did not clearly indicate when the last payer paid, how is one user to know which powerball date he was going to use? The last payer could've paid on a Tuesday, and Pimp could've used a Wednesday drawing, see that winning powerball number was picked by a user he did not like, and just go ahead and wait for the next powerball drawing on a Saturday or something so he can give the winning cue to somebody else. Again, I'm just drawing up this weird-ass unlikely scenario just to show you that somebody can do something like this.

I don't think pimp has a motive to do something as shady as what was described above, but then again he has to be clear in his raffle thread in order to, for lack of better words, cover his ass.

I can only see two things happening after this issue is exposed to Paypal: 1) AZBilliards creates/enforces strict guidelines for all future raffles. 2) AZBillairds is forced to shut down the raffles section.

I have to give the benefit of the doubt to Pimp here since all he wanted to do was sell his cue. But you cannot discount what BPG has been saying. Is it nitpicking? Somewhat, but that is how loopholes are found and people can take advantage of it.

*edited for grammar lol
 
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I can only see two things happening after this issue is exposed to Paypal: 1) AZBilliards creates/enforces strict guidelines for all future raffles. 2) AZBillairds is forced to shut down the raffles section

Nothing happens, it is a non-issue. Things will continue as normal.
 
BPG24 said:
So your one of those idiots that doesn't care at all about the people that may be getting screwed out of their money unless the outcome effects you.

Sounds like you need to grow up.
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no i am one of those idiots who doesnt participate in something illegal then complain that i got ripped off and who finds it humerous when folks do.

brian====grown up believer in "caveat emptor"

ps did you notice how so far you arent getting much sympathy here? hmmm now i wonder why that might be...
 
hangemhigh said:
I can only see two things happening after this issue is exposed to Paypal: 1) AZBilliards creates/enforces strict guidelines for all future raffles. 2) AZBillairds is forced to shut down the raffles section

Nothing happens, it is a non-issue. Things will continue as normal.
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I hope everything will continue as normal. I just fear that if nothing happens now, then something bigger will rear its head in the future. I love AZ and wouldn't want anything bad to happen
 
shinigami said:
I hope everything will continue as normal. I just fear that if nothing happens now, then something bigger will rear its head in the future. I love AZ and wouldn't want anything bad to happen
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Exactly!!!!!!!!!!






The mods need to step up and make a decision to get rid of raffles or make some strict rules for them. The same really needs to be done for the For Sale forum too. People are getting screwed there almost daily.
 
I don't know Pimp, but I'm guessing he wasn't scamming. If I do invest in a raffle (i.e. one of those hot chicks walking around at DCC or something), I'm basically throwing away oddball. I've never won one, nor did I complain when I lost. One of those chicks is probably palming her bf's ticket during the draw. Eh, so what. There are a lot of illegal things that we all love. Aren't calcuttas illegal in most states?

I dunno. My opinion is no one who runs raffles hires non-profits to run them (i.e. selling a cue) so complaining won't help. Assume they're all crooked and just don't play. Or be at peace when you lose, either way.
 
I'm gonna raffle off a night with Corvette. Everyone that wants to be in the raffle just send me $50 through paypal. After all of the slots are filled I will conduct the drawing, but first I'll throw away all of the male entrants and then draw from all of the female ones. Good Luck.
 
you have been here longer than the raffles

BPG24 said:
Look man, I tried to get it worked out HERE first.
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You have been here longer than the raffles and the mod's and owners have always made it very plain that they wouldn't get involved. You had no problem with that until you were the one who felt like you had an issue.

You are wrong to stir all of this crap because AZB didn't give you any special consideration.

(Your complaint to PayPal?)
This dispute will begin a much bigger investigation by Paypal, I am sure. The website www.azbilliards.com has a sub page that is their "forums" page. They hold raffles there for pool related items. They use the lottery websites to determine the winner of these raffles. If you do a little research you will see that Paypal is being used for payment on all of these transactions. I have been told recently that these raffles are illegal and the owners/moderators of the website know this and let it continue. Here is a link to the specific raffle page with many raffles that are open and already completed. Paypal is used in every one of them.

http://forums.azbilliards.com/forumdisplay.php?f=73

there have been several raffles that have been rigged or somewhat unfair and that is why I want a refund. i was in a raffle that was not run correctly and I am not interested in losing my money this way.

Please look into this and make sure these raffles stop and refund my payment.

Looking at the parts I highlighted in red you throw the word "rigged" into your complaint to attract attention from PayPal and certainly imply that this raffle was rigged. You also want to stop all raffles because you feel whiney about one. Should every person that feels like they weren't treated fairly in a transaction try to shut down the sales forum too? Is it possible that you have went a wee bit overboard?

You may have been told recently that the raffles were illegal but you have been told the same thing since before there was a raffles forum too and cheerfully participated. A totally self-serving message to PayPal that tries to portray yourself as a poor babe in the woods that was taken advantage of by the big bad wolves.

Hu
 
Here's a rundown:
pimp said when 2/3 filled he would start collecting payment. 2/3 came and went and everybody paid. pimp stated in his original post:
pimp said:
I will use the power ball lottery with 42 spots. Paypal payments expected promptly when 2/3 full
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Later in the thread pimp stated:
pimp said:
The raffle is full!!!!! Once the spots are paid for we'll raffle this baby off.
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At this point if I had my money in the raffle I would be monitoring the thread to see when everyone was marked as paid, and then google powerball lottery to find out the time of the drawing and watch it.

After the winner was announced BPG24 started complaining because:
BPG24 said:
How can there be a winner if we never knew when the drawing was?
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Despite pimp informing everyone that the drawing would be after the spots are paid.

BPG24 is a sore loser. The end.

Oh and for future reference if anyone is confused, it's www.powerball.com
 
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i havent read everything so i'm sorry if i'm repeating this, but...

just look up the powerball # from the supposed drawing date and check it against the winner. if everything matches up, whats the problem?

now if the the two numbers are different, you have a point, but something tells me thats just not going to happen.
 
11/8/2008 2 4 21 36 40 | 41

41 was the winner in the raffle. A-OK. BPG is sad because he didn't know which day it was going to be done because he didn't read the raffle-runner's posts in the thread of the raffle he was participating in... which wouldn't have changed the outcome 1 tiny itty bitty little bit.
 
SpiderWebComm said:
I never pay for raffles because I always assume they're all rigged. I DID like, however, how you used the powerball. That kind of takes the BS out of it, right? Doesn't the buyer pick the #? How on earth can it be rigged?
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Every raffle uses a lottery number to choose the winner. They are not rigged at all. John Travolta and Lisa Kudrow rigged it once, but that was not for a $300 cue!:)
 
I don't understand. If I felt like I got screwed on a raffle, I would just stop participating in them.

I would just let it go, not be an ass about it and go crying to Pay Pal.

I wouldn't want to ruin it for everyone else who participates and likes the raffles.

But I guess that's just me........

Whine on BPG24!!
 
People are bashing on BPG saying "this is the act of a sore loser", "let this die already", "if you're looking for pity, you ain't getting it here", etc.

I'm reading this thread over again, and I really don't get the impression that he's looking for pity or anyone's sympathy here. He's spotted a loophole and wants somebody to fix it.

He lost the raffle, plain and simple. But because the owner of the raffle thread made a few errors (doesn't everyone), he left himself vulnerable.

So let's change the rules here! Only good can come out of this: AZ will be able to continue with the raffle section without people stirring up shit anymore because of silly loopholes that can leave the seller vulnerable to attacks. Now isn't that a win-win situation?
 
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