Look what one of our fellow Az'rs did

shinigami said:
He's spotted a loophole and wants somebody to fix it.

He lost the raffle, plain and simple. But because the owner of the raffle thread made a few errors (doesn't everyone), he left himself vulnerable.

Maybe you can explain that one to me. Where was the loophole? What errors did he make?
 
Hierovision said:
Here's a rundown:
pimp said when 2/3 filled he would start collecting payment. 2/3 came and went and everybody paid. pimp stated in his original post:


Later in the thread pimp stated:


At this point if I had my money in the raffle I would be monitoring the thread to see when everyone was marked as paid, and then google powerball lottery to find out the time of the drawing and watch it.

After the winner was announced BPG24 started complaining because:


Despite pimp informing everyone that the drawing would be after the spots are paid.

BPG24 is a sore loser. The end.

Oh and for future reference if anyone is confused, it's www.powerball.com


You missed quite a bit somehow.

that isn't even close to what happened. At least you left out many important details.
 
i wanna know exactly how much money we're talkin about here. I hope he didnt go and involve paypal over something trivial. it just wouldnt be worth it.
 
Hierovision said:
Maybe you can explain that one to me. Where was the loophole? What errors did he make?

Lol, I am preparing for a meeting at Noon I don't think I can recap everything right now.

Please go to the Raffles section and click on BK2 raffle and start reading from beginning of page 3. And then come back and read this. Then you'll see the little mistakes made by Pimp. I'm not taking sides here. I feel for Pimp because I really don't think he had any bad intentions. He was just trying to sell off his cue. BPG, love him or hate him, brought up some issues.
 
shinigami said:
People are bashing on BPG saying "this is the act of a sore loser", "let this die already", "if you're looking for pity, you ain't getting it here", etc.

I'm reading this thread over again, and I really don't get the impression that he's looking for pity or anyone's sympathy here. He's spotted a loophole and wants somebody to fix it.

He lost the raffle, plain and simple. But because the owner of the raffle thread made a few errors (doesn't everyone), he left himself vulnerable.

So let's change the rules here! Only good can come out of this: AZ will be able to continue with the raffle section without people stirring up shit anymore because of silly loopholes that can leave the seller vulnerable to attacks. Now isn't that a win-win situation?


It's amazing what a little intelligence can get you....

I am glad there are a few people on here that get it.
 
shinigami said:
Lol, I am preparing for a meeting at Noon I don't think I can recap everything right now.

Please go to the Raffles section and click on BK2 raffle and start reading from beginning of page 3. And then come back and read this. Then you'll see the little mistakes made by Pimp. I'm not taking sides here. I feel for Pimp because I really don't think he had any bad intentions. He was just trying to sell off his cue. BPG, love him or hate him, brought up some issues.


WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


You are spot on. You aren't even on my side and I think you understand better than anyone on here.
 
Ed Simmons said:
Somebody please let me know when Judge Judy airs this one.....
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Judge Judy:
So, tell me about this illegal raffle you participated in.

BPG:
Well, I was on AzBilliards when....

Judy:

Ahhh so you admit to having plaaaayed in a...

BPG:

No, you don't under....

Judy:

Don't interrupt me young man.

BPG:

But wait, it isn't fair-- he...

Judy:

SHUSH!! I don't wanna hear it! You'll speak when spoken to! You think I'm stupid?
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BPG:
He never mentioned when....

Judy:
SIR - you participated in an illegal activity!! You need to...

BPG:
... the raffle was!! It's bullsh.....

Judy:
Shut it. Judgment is for the defendant. *WHACK*


P.S.

BPG: I'm just ball busting. You may be right. Not sure. Just goating :)
 
BPG24 said:
You missed quite a bit somehow.

that isn't even close to what happened. At least you left out many important details.


That's exactly what happened. Obviously I read the thread because those quotes are from it.

BPG24 said:
There is no link anywhere on this raffle to what powerball you are using. This on top of the fact that you did not make us aware of when the exact drawing date would be is just wrong.

This is flawed because there is only one powerball and therefore should be freakin obvious "what powerball" he is using.

Please explain to me how I missed your issue? He didn't inform you of the exact date of the drawing because the supplied information was enough; He stated it would happen after everyone paid, and stated it was powerball... mission success.

BPG24 said:
Either pick a date that we all know about and use it or refund the money. I will contact paypal before dinner if you do not.

The date was conditional on when everyone paid, as stated by pimp. It would be the next drawing after everyone paid, and it was. 41 won. hooray. Now quit your *****ing.

Oh here too:
BPG24 said:
I even specifically asked when it was going down, and got no answer.

You just failed to understand that it would happen with the next drawing after everyone paid. Not sure why you didn't understand that, but I'd hazard a guess that everyone else understood.
 
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No, unfortunately you're wrong...

shinigami said:
People are bashing on BPG saying "this is the act of a sore loser", "let this die already", "if you're looking for pity, you ain't getting it here", etc.

I'm reading this thread over again, and I really don't get the impression that he's looking for pity or anyone's sympathy here. He's spotted a loophole and wants somebody to fix it.

He lost the raffle, plain and simple. But because the owner of the raffle thread made a few errors (doesn't everyone), he left himself vulnerable.

So let's change the rules here! Only good can come out of this: AZ will be able to continue with the raffle section without people stirring up shit anymore because of silly loopholes that can leave the seller vulnerable to attacks. Now isn't that a win-win situation?


...he wants all raffles to end on AZB. He has publicly stated that as his intention.

SAD
 
I think the raffle thing got out of hand a long time ago, but hey, people like them so rock on.

What really makes me scratch my head here is two words:

EIGHT DOLLARS !!!

What is eight dollars?

One single lousy cocktail at any mid-range strip joint (Not even the kind Vette does his meteorology research at, those are higher priced).

A 5 to 3 set on a barbox. ($1 a game)

The cost of Easy-E's razor blades for one day (Easy be hairy as hell)

3 Gallons of Gas (At least for the next 15 minutes, who knows after that)

One hour of table time in some pool rooms.

So for eight bucks you go to PayPal and rat on the whole bloody forum?

Really?

Wow.


<------------wants sooooooo bad to say those four little words about the raffles
 
Hierovision said:
That's exactly what happened. Obviously I read the thread because those quotes are from it.



This is flawed because there is only one powerball and therefore should be freakin obvious "what powerball" he is using.

Please explain to me how I missed your issue? He didn't inform you of the exact date of the drawing because the supplied information was enough; He stated it would happen after everyone paid, and stated it was powerball... mission success.



The date was conditional on when everyone paid, as stated by pimp. It would be the next drawing after everyone paid, and it was. 41 won. hooray. Now quit your *****ing.

Oh here too:


You just failed to understand that it would happen with the next drawing after everyone paid. Not sure why you didn't understand that, but I'd hazard a guess that everyone else understood.


There is not just one website used for these raffles. I have already explained this what seems like 50 times. He has used more than one himself. Plus in his other raffles, he gave a date to when the raffle would be.

He could have easily used whatever date he wanted because no one knew the spots were even paid.

Not sure how you are missing that
 
MikeM said:
...he wants all raffles to end on AZB. He has publicly stated that as his intention.

SAD


Ended OR conducted with specific rules with someone to make sure nothing funny can happen.
 
Oh and if you really had a problem with the fact that he didn't mark the last person as paid until after the winner was announced, that doesn't change the FACT that everyone was paid and would be COMPLETELY unfair to Kurly. Everyone was paid, it went to the powerball of that weekend, and Kurley won. The fact that you were unaware that everyone was paid is irrelevant. Powerball is powerball... there's only one.
 
MikeM said:
...he wants all raffles to end on AZB. He has publicly stated that as his intention.

SAD

I hope that's not true, especially considering he's participated in multiple raffles.
 
BPG24 said:
He could have easily used whatever date he wanted because no one knew the spots were even paid.

On the Thursday the 6th pimp stated he was waiting on 2 more payments. On Friday the 7th WoodyJ stated he paid for spots 17 and 37 at 1:53AM. My math skills tell me that everyone is paid for. AMoney stated that it didn't say "paid" next to his name even though he paid on Thursday the 6th. He stated this at 1:15AM on the 8th. Seriously let it go.
 
pimp said:
From Buyer - Nathan Hogue
11/9/2008 15:01 PST

Where do I begin? First of all I have had several conversations with the seller, we will not be able to come to a resolution on our own.

This dispute will begin a much bigger investigation by Paypal, I am sure. The website www.azbilliards.com has a sub page that is their "forums" page. They hold raffles there for pool related items. They use the lottery websites to determine the winner of these raffles. If you do a little research you will see that Paypal is being used for payment on all of these transactions. I have been told recently that these raffles are illegal and the owners/moderators of the website know this and let it continue. Here is a link to the specific raffle page with many raffles that are open and already completed. Paypal is used in every one of them.

http://forums.azbilliards.com/forumdisplay.php?f=73

there have been several raffles that have been rigged or somewhat unfair and that is why I want a refund. i was in a raffle that was not run correctly and I am not interested in losing my money this way.

Please look into this and make sure these raffles stop and refund my payment.

Thank you


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BPG24 I'm lost, you reported AZ Billiards to paypal, and have asked for all future raffles to stop?
But not once did you come to the forum members and tell them you were unhappy with this raffle.

So you thought it was in the best interest of the forum if you just
had the whole raffle thing shut down, and maybe even the whole
forum?
What did you want the outcome of your actions to be?

I think Pimp should give you back your money, and you should
maybe leave the web site and never come back and that way you will
be happy.

I just don't know why people pay nothing to be a member and complain
about everything on a free web site.

Really what did you expect was going to happen?
 
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