Loree Jon Snooze.............

[Cardigan Kid]

Did you watch the NFL playoff games this past weekend? There was one blown call at the end of the 4th quarter that absolutely cost the Saints the game against the Rams, and the whole world saw it, except for the seven refs on the field. It was so bad to have this happen in such an important situation that the Super Bowl becomes somewhat meaningless this year, and the NFL has egg on their collective faces for not using the very available video tape replay to right the wrong.

In the other playoff game a ticky tacky foul that should never have been called handed a Kansas City Chiefs victory to the New England Patriots. It was the type of foul that could be called many times during the course of a game but rarely is. Usually a warning to the offending player suffices, but not this time with the game on the line. Strange days in the NFL!

In other words, shit happens and life isn't fair! This has been proven over and over again.

In past world cup soccer, there were goals allowed/disallowed that had clear penalties or even the ball crossing the line and then coming out and not seen by the referees on the field. It was getting to be a giant black eye to FIFA.

So they responded in a revolutionary way by creating a VAR - video assist referee. Where a 5th referee, who is on communication with the head ref, is in a booth and plugged into the entire multi angle/cam broadcast of the game with the power to replay anytime they want.

What happened changed the outcome of many games but left an honest and more pure form of the sport. Penalties were taken away or awarded when the ref may have not been in position to make the correct call. Also players conduct when the refs back was turned was policed and their behavior was stellar compared to past tournaments.

Another factor was that the sport and challenges to calls were more streamlined in that the VAR could make decisions on the fly and consult with the head Ref while the game is being played, or during a referee time out and with a small screen on the sideline. Everything was happening in real time.

NFL will no doubt switch to this method eventually. As should all sports.

 

[jimmyco]

Did you watch the NFL playoff games this past weekend? There was one blown call at the end of the 4th quarter that absolutely cost the Saints the game against the Rams, and the whole world saw it, except for the seven refs on the field. It was so bad to have this happen in such an important situation that the Super Bowl becomes somewhat meaningless this year, and the NFL has egg on their collective faces for not using the very available video tape replay to right the wrong. ...


...Strange days in the NFL!

In other words, shit happens and life isn't fair! This has been proven over and over again.

Are non-calls in the NFL allowed to be challenged? They should be.

 

[PoolBum]

Are non-calls in the NFL allowed to be challenged? They should be.

For pass-interference penalties I suspect they will be shortly. That non-call in the Saints-Rams game was a debacle of biblical proportions.

 

[Dan Harriman]

unny

1) "to be a ref you cannot be unemployed". Allow me to explain that concept to you. Someone has a job as a referee. Then they lose that job. And then, no wait, that's ... pretty much all there is to the explanation.

2) I wasn't joking about the "state of pool"

3) I responded to your absurd conspiracy theory, while referencing an even more absurd conspiracy theory of yours from the past. I'm not surprised you "don't find it funny"

4) I'm not Japanese, but even I know that "Konee-chi-wha?" means you are asking me "Hello/Good afternoon?". Thanks for asking.

5) Yes, you'd take my money if you played pool for money. I should hope that's true for you versus 99.9% of the AZ Billiards membership, but thanks for pointing it out.

The fact that there are not reputable referee's at the top level is not a conspiracy theory - it's a sad fact. And then no wait = more conjecture, your either employed or not - it really is that simple. If u try to make it convoluted the i guess you can, I am glad however that you do not think the state of pool here in USA is laughable. I still don't believe stated your case too well. Sounds to me like you r on the side of corruption, you may learn more bout this for yourself in the future. My laser is on the square - u can call it the lone wolf dark horse honest injun' laser. I know it's a long title but it fits. sionarrah there shitnobi.

 

[Low500]

'Pool Room Detectives'

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[shinobi]

The fact that there are not reputable referee's at the top level is not a conspiracy theory - it's a sad fact. And then no wait = more conjecture, your either employed or not - it really is that simple. If u try to make it convoluted the i guess you can, I am glad however that you do not think the state of pool here in USA is laughable. I still don't believe stated your case too well. Sounds to me like you r on the side of corruption, you may learn more bout this for yourself in the future. My laser is on the square - u can call it the lone wolf dark horse honest injun' laser. I know it's a long title but it fits. sionarrah there shitnobi.

You couldn't possibly have misunderstood my first or second reply any less. I don't think you even remember what you originally wrote that I replied to in the first place.

Anyway, agreed that pool would be in a better state with refs at pro tournaments and I wish the prize payouts were much more, too. Kinda sad that people can earn way more money playing video games, but that's the way it is at the moment.

 

[FranCrimi]

'Pool room detectives' have been around forever.
They will never go away.

They're lower than pool room detectives. They're just railbirds because anyone who competes (and not just against your friend for table time) knows to give some space to a player who just lost a tough match.

 

[Quesports]

They're lower than pool room detectives. They're just railbirds because anyone who competes (and not just against your friend for table time) knows to give some space to a player who just lost a tough match.

Without those railbirds no one would be watching pool.

 

[Bic D]

When there was a question of whether or not SVB committed a foul and didn't call it on himself against Kaci.....that thread had 180 posts.

Just saying.

 

[ChrisinNC]

They're lower than pool room detectives. They're just railbirds because anyone who competes (and not just against your friend for table time) knows to give some space to a player who just lost a tough match.

Yes, we've all been there. After a tough loss, you don't want anyone to say anything. When going through the customary handshake after a match that ends painfully for either player, as the winner I have the courtesy to make eye contact with them but to say absolutely nothing at all to my opponent, and as the loser I'm hoping they don't try to say something stupid like "good match".

 

[FranCrimi]

Without those railbirds no one would be watching pool.

Yep. Watching is great. Interfering with a player who just lost a match is not cool.

 

[jay helfert]

Yes, we've all been there. After a tough loss, you don't want anyone to say anything. When going through the customary handshake after a match that ends painfully for either player, as the winner I have the courtesy to make eye contact with them but to say absolutely nothing at all to my opponent, and as the loser I'm hoping they don't try to say something stupid like "good match".

Good post, lol :wink:

 

[easy-e]

Yes, we've all been there. After a tough loss, you don't want anyone to say anything. When going through the customary handshake after a match that ends painfully for either player, as the winner I have the courtesy to make eye contact with them but to say absolutely nothing at all to my opponent, and as the loser I'm hoping they don't try to say something stupid like "good match".

Is this sarcasm? You think it’s stupid for the winner to say “good match”? There’s nothing wrong with exchanging pleasantries after a match, we’re grown ups. If someone can’t handle a comment like “good match”, maybe they should find another hobby.

 

[lorider]

Is this sarcasm? You think it’s stupid for the winner to say “good match”? There’s nothing wrong with exchanging pleasantries after a match, we’re grown ups. If someone can’t handle a comment like “good match”, maybe they should find another hobby.

If I lose I always tell my opponent ....good shooting.

If I win what I say depends on several factors.

If its a close game I say ...tough match.

If its not close I always compliment them on particular shots they made

If they look like they wanna kick my ass I say.....i got lucky. :grin-square:

 

[spartan]

Oh God, what is happening to this beloved world that it is also wrong to say “Good match” to your losing opponent. It’s tough to be nice these days :grin:

 

[jimmyco]

I always say, "Thanks for the lesson."

But have yet to be on the winnng end of the handshake.

 

[jay helfert]

I always say, "Thanks for the lesson."

But have yet to be on the winnng end of the handshake.

I only said that once in my life. I played Buddy in a Senior tourney in Reno and I didn't get to shoot at an open ball until the score was 7-0, and then it was an end rail to end rail shot. He beat me 11-0 and I never made one ball! All I could think of to say was "Thanks for the lesson Buddy."

I actually won two matches after that got into the money (13-16th).

 

[ShootingArts]

Yikes!

I only said that once in my life. I played Buddy in a Senior tourney in Reno and I didn't get to shoot at an open ball until the score was 7-0, and then it was an end rail to end rail shot. He beat me 11-0 and I never made one ball! All I could think of to say was "Thanks for the lesson Buddy."

I actually won two matches after that got into the money (13-16th).

That would be when you didn't have to ask anyone if you got a butt whuppin! It wouldn't have mattered at all who was sitting in the chair.

Hu

 

[ChrisinNC]

Is this sarcasm? You think it’s stupid for the winner to say “good match”? There’s nothing wrong with exchanging pleasantries after a match, we’re grown ups. If someone can’t handle a comment like “good match”, maybe they should find another hobby.

It seems rather simple to me - it is only a good match for the winner and not a good match for the player who just suffered a heartbreaking loss, so saying good match to them I feel is kind of an insult and kind of a selfish comment to make. Yes, it's fine to say at the completion of a well played match with few mistakes by both players, in which one player just plays better and deservingly wins out, or of course it's perfectly fine when the loser of the match says good match. But in the case of a match in which one player makes a crucial mistake or choke in the case game and suffers a painful loss, I just feel it shows more respect towards your opponent, on the part of the victor, to say nothing at all. I guess maybe that's just me and others here don't share that same opinion.

 

[easy-e]

It seems rather simple to me - it is only a good match for the winner and not a good match for the player who just suffered a heartbreaking loss, so saying good match to them I feel is kind of an insult and kind of a selfish comment to make. Yes, it's fine to say at the completion of a well played match with few mistakes by both players, in which one player just plays better and deservingly wins out, or of course it's perfectly fine when the loser of the match says good match. But in the case of a match in which one player makes a crucial mistake or choke in the case game and suffers a painful loss, I just feel it shows more respect towards your opponent, on the part of the victor, to say nothing at all. I guess maybe that's just me and others here don't share that same opinion.

I can see how that makes sense to you. Your reasoning for it shows that you think a lot about people’s feelings, thoughts, etc. If a player beats you, offers a firm handshake, eye contact, and a “good match”, “thanks for the match” or any other verbal gesture, why can’t you appreciate that he means no disrespect? Many people might take your silence as disrespect. People are funny about things I guess. Feel free to chit chat with me after beating me in a match, I’ll take that as a sign of respect and camaraderie.

Now if he offers you a sarcastic smile and a “nice match” in a shitty tone, that’s a different story. That guy sucks.