Lost another player

Very shocking news...
I didn't know Ginky all too well, we spoke on a few occasions but he was super friendly and a cool guy. Never knew about his neck problems. Too bad I never got to see him at his prime, was before I turned pro.

I have one very cool memory of him that taught me a lot when I was on the road at 23. It had nothing to do with playing the game but with being human next to the table. I was in full gambling mode in the USA from when I was 20-23 and all I knew was pool.

We were in the old Qmaster billiards at the US open in 2000 and it was packed. I was matching up with Frankie Hernandez and we were in a $500 set. Next to the table Ginky was having so much fun with 2 of his mates, they were laughing their butts off for a good 15min of so. It made a big impression on me, cause in the gambling scene everything was very serious, but here was this one guy "Ginky" just having a blast with his friends. I was smiling in my seat I remember, I thought it was great!

All the best to his friends and family!
 
Very shocking news...
I didn't know Ginky all too well, we spoke on a few occasions but he was super friendly and a cool guy. Never knew about his neck problems. Too bad I never got to see him at his prime, was before I turned pro.

I have one very cool memory of him that taught me a lot when I was on the road at 23. It had nothing to do with playing the game but with being human next to the table. I was in full gambling mode in the USA from when I was 20-23 and all I knew was pool.

We were in the old Qmaster billiards at the US open in 2000 and it was packed. I was matching up with Frankie Hernandez and we were in a $500 set. Next to the table Ginky was having so much fun with 2 of his mates, they were laughing their butts off for a good 15min of so. It made a big impression on me, cause in the gambling scene everything was very serious, but here was this one guy "Ginky" just having a blast with his friends. I was smiling in my seat I remember, I thought it was great!

All the best to his friends and family!
Thanks for your input, Niels. I think it says lots about Ginky that those who could test him on the table hold him in such high regard.

(Your new website is great too!)
 
The news of Ginky's passing like many others is truly tragic for me. I first met George when I was thirteen years old. By fifteen we were going on the road together. I stumbled into the poolroom with my father to knock balls around, and noticing I had a little bit of talent and a lot of passion for the game Ginky quickly began teaching me, for free. I was so fortunate to be mentored by him and Steve Lipsky coming up in pool, and life really, and him being gone is a real shock.

We all know how talented he was. Well, I think we do. The man was as close to perfect on a pool table I've ever seen in his prime. Effortless, smooth, careful, truly a sight to see. I remember once when I was 15 playing a game of straight pool with him. I broke, and naturally, he ran 150 and out, then nonchalantly unscrewed as if nothing was odd. I practically begged him to keep shooting, and he looked at me and said, "kid, it's not the first 150 I've run and it sure won't be the last." And off he went.

I remember leaving the poolroom one night with him at closing to grab a late night snack. He saw a homeless man who lived on the block of the poolroom and gave him $100. I think Gink had $200 on him. Stuff like that he never thought twice about.

One time I was driving back from a tournament with him where he came in 2nd, and wasn't too pleased. This story may not cast him in the best light, but it's a vivid memory for me and truly a testament to his dedication. It was nighttime, not another car on the road, headed back to the city from Glen Falls New York. I was probably 14 at the time. After twenty or thirty minutes of silence he reached into the backseat and handed me his 2nd place trophy. "Kid, I want you to keep this, and when you get home throw it in the garbage." "Huh? Cmon Gink, 2nd isn't SO bad! I didn't even cash." "2nd place is just the first loser," he said, and we drove for another four hours practically in silence. He dropped me off at my place and said, "noon tomorrow kid?". I told him I'd see him there and when I got there he was practicing the shot he missed at 6 - 5 in the tournament that cost him the match. He said he'd been practicing for hours.

I could go on and on. I'm sitting on a plane from LA to NY with not much to do but think about him. I suppose cherished memories is all I have left of him, but cherished they are, and I';; have 'em forever.

Thank you Ginkster

R I P my brother.

Nick


Not sure if you are 9 ball Nick, but either way great story man. This one gave me goose bumps.
 
It was common knowledge around the northeast in the late ‘90s that a young kid nicknamed Ginky was playing fantastic pool out of Amsterdam Billiards in Manhattan. Together with Tony Robles, they represented a level of the game I had never seen in person, and I knew this was the place I needed to be.

I worked in the city, but my move there had much less to do with a shorter commute than it did with needing to be around a higher level of the game. I found a shoebox-sized apartment near the room. I still remember the very first night I was on my own out there; I felt like an adult as I walked into Amsterdam, ready to introduce myself to the world. There was a big crowd around table 8, the front table. George was playing Tony an exhibition match. I was in heaven. I had never seen Tony in person before. I had seen George a few times out on Long Island. But to see them playing each other… these were the days before youtube and live streaming. It was a luxury to see pool at this level. If I was an adult when I walked in the room, I now knew what I wanted to be when I grew up.

When I finally met George about a week later, the standard game with us became a hundred fifty points or a race to 9 for twenty bucks. I’d play him and I was so nervous I couldn’t even see straight. Literally – I was running 4s, 7s, jesus sometimes 0s. It didn’t matter. I wasn’t there to beat him. I did all I could to learn, but what I remember most about those first games is watching his eyes. You could see in those eyes that you were never getting to the table. I watched his patterns and positional routes, in both 9 ball and straight pool. His decisions were flawless and, matched with his effortless execution, represented the deadliest combination of skills I’d ever seen.

We started becoming friends. One day, after playing particularly poorly against him, I tried to quit in the middle of the game. He asked why. I told him, sincerely, that he had a big tournament coming up and I didn’t want to bring his game down by playing so badly with him.

I will never, ever forget what happened next. He stopped, thought for a second, and said, “Steve, from now on, you and me don’t gamble. I’m going to help you with your game.” I remember calling my parents that night and telling them what happened. They knew how much pool meant to me, and I had told them of George and how great it was to be exposed to such a talent. What George told me that day, that he was willing to take a chance on me, meant so much to me partially because it made me proud in front of my parents.

Around this time, George was one of the people who recommended me to Greg Hunt, the owner of Amsterdam, to be placed on the comp list. This changed everything. I could now practice as much as I wanted. I knew George at this point only a couple months I would say, and he was already sticking his neck out for me. I never forgot that either.

The next several years were a whirlwind of the heydays of Amsterdam East and NYC pool in general. There was never a poolroom or a time like it. If you weren’t a part of NYC pool from about 1998 to 2004 or so, you missed an unbelievably joyous time in the game. The level of play was skyrocketing by the day… everyone was getting better. And we were all led by George.

Anyone who saw him practice during that period knows how hard he worked. He’d throw out all the balls and play straight or rotation until he missed. And once he missed… that’s when the work started. He’d take out all fifteen balls and shoot the shot over. Then he’d take the fifteen balls again and shoot it with left English. Another fifteen, right English. Top… bottom. Hard… soft. The guy was a machine. Here was a 200-ball runner who’d shoot a hanger 60 times if he missed it even once.

He was a terror on the regional tours. He wouldn’t make grown men cry… he’d make them fall apart. He’d take other northeast champions and just dismantle them. 9-2. 9-1. 9-3. If you got to five against George in those days you probably played perfectly. (For the record, Tony was the only one I saw consistently stand up to him in those days. I don’t know who got the best of who, but it was damned close and I can truthfully not say that about anyone else in the region during that period.)

I remember all the 9-ball we played. Set after set after set, back in those glorious east side days. I learned so much. That thunderous break where he’d swing his hip at the last second. The way he’d play safe. He’d lock you up and cut off your rails. This was all new in the late 90s. He became an expert at making you fight with your last ounce of strength for every single opportunity you got. Unforced errors? Forget about it. You’d have more luck praying for a rain delay.

As his game took off, we became better and better friends. We went to Atlantic City a lot in those days, Gina and me, George and his then-girlfriend Casey. It was like a double-date for degenerates. He would drive us all down, and Gina and I would say silent prayers in the backseat that cops would shoot the tires out so he’d have to stop. It was that scary driving with him, lol. I remember hitting over 100mph when there were lots of other cars on the highway. I’d get out of the car finally and want to kiss the ground, but I didn’t want to show weakness in front of my hero.

You’d see him do things from time to time which were puzzling. Here was a guy who could be cut-your-throat-ruthless on the table. Then, sometimes, he’d take the hundred bucks or whatever that he scuffled up in the room, and just give it to a homeless guy. There was a guy in the poolroom who used to argue with George all the time. He wasn’t even a pool player. He played Megatouch, of all things, and sometimes he and George would match up at some royal flash. He had lost his job a while back and was living with his parents. He wore the same clothes, over and over, until they kind of stunk. I found out one day that George brought in a bag full of clothes to give to the guy. They weren’t new, but they were nice. And he didn’t do it in a way that would embarrass the guy; he did it privately. He was so kind to the unfortunate. I always wondered where that sensitivity came from, that unbelievable sense of empathy, and I never felt right asking him. I wish I had.

He was one of only two players who I would ever let scold me, if I did something wrong or thought a wrong way about something. He was only a few years older than I but in some ways he was like a parent to me about the game. I remember in Valley Forge, the year I came in 2nd in the huge amateur tournament, I spoke with him before the finals. He asked me how I felt. I knew that he wanted me to be confident, so I said “I feel like I’m going to win.” He stopped me and sternly said “Steve, I don’t wanna ever hear you tell me you’re going to win. I want to hear that you’re going to play well. That is all you can control. If you play well, the rest will come.” He was right. In pool, he was always right.

I will never forget all our talks about my game. He did all he could to convince me I could play, and I kept trying to convince him I couldn’t. It’d be funny if it weren’t sad. I honestly think I had him pulling his hair out. The perseverance he showed, in never giving up on me, will stay with me forever.

I remember around that time I came home from being out one night, and there on our answering machine was a call from George. “Hey Lip Rogers, Miss Kim… I finally did it. I snapped it off! I won the tournament!” He was talking about his first ever pro victory, in Olathe Kansas I believe. He didn’t even try to hide his giddiness. That’s what I loved about him. He drank in all of life’s joys. He was so proud of what he had accomplished.

9/11 affected him deeply. He was at the US Open, and it was the first year I didn’t go in a while. I was in constant contact with Nicky, who he was rooming with, and he told me that George watched all the coverage silently in his hotel room. They had tried to tear his city apart, this city he loved so much, and he wanted to help in any way he could. So he started a donation fund right there at the convention center. I believe he collected about $6,000 in cash and as soon as he got back to NYC he just walked into the local firehouse and quietly gave them the money. He didn’t want any fanfare for it, or even thanks. In his mind, he was saying thanks.

A few years later, I remember being somewhere with George, in a room with a piano and someone playing it. George sidled right up to the guy and just watched. He watched a master, as only another master could. He had such a deep understanding of what it took to be an expert at something, that even though he didn't know how to play the piano, he now knew what it took to play the piano. How many of us can truly understand something so foreign, like he did that day? He was so gifted, so talented.

In the end, I realize only now how much more I could have done for him. Not just towards the end but throughout our time together. He gave me so much, he gave us all so much back in those celebrated care-free days of NYC pool.

This last Monday night, he was in the room and it was mobbed. I was playing my straight pool league match on one of the front tables, and he grabbed one of the chairs and just watched. I loved when he watched me play. Earlier in the game, I had run exactly 100 and he found out and told me nice shooting. And he just sat and watched the rest. When it was over, I packed up and went to the restroom. When i came out, I had two choices - I could fight my way through the mob and say goodbye to him, or I could slink out the other way. I went the other way. I thought there would be other days, other hellos, other goodbyes. In this case, there wasn't, and I hate myself for that selfish choice I made that night. He gave me so much, he deserved a goodbye.

I pray he knows how much he affected me, and all of us in NYC, and all those players in the world he touched. There is a part of him in every ball I’ll ever make.

- Steve
 
It was common knowledge around the northeast in the late ‘90s that a young kid nicknamed Ginky was playing fantastic pool out of Amsterdam Billiards in Manhattan. Together with Tony Robles, they represented a level of the game I had never seen in person, and I knew this was the place I needed to be.

I worked in the city, but my move there had much less to do with a shorter commute than it did with needing to be around a higher level of the game. I found a shoebox-sized apartment near the room. I still remember the very first night I was on my own out there; I felt like an adult as I walked into Amsterdam, ready to introduce myself to the world. There was a big crowd around table 8, the front table. George was playing Tony an exhibition match. I was in heaven. I had never seen Tony in person before. I had seen George a few times out on Long Island. But to see them playing each other… these were the days before youtube and live streaming. It was a luxury to see pool at this level. If I was an adult when I walked in the room, I now knew what I wanted to be when I grew up.

When I finally met George about a week later, the standard game with us became a hundred fifty points or a race to 9 for twenty bucks. I’d play him and I was so nervous I couldn’t even see straight. Literally – I was running 4s, 7s, jesus sometimes 0s. It didn’t matter. I wasn’t there to beat him. I did all I could to learn, but what I remember most about those first games is watching his eyes. You could see in those eyes that you were never getting to the table. I watched his patterns and positional routes, in both 9 ball and straight pool. His decisions were flawless and, matched with his effortless execution, represented the deadliest combination of skills I’d ever seen.

We started becoming friends. One day, after playing particularly poorly against him, I tried to quit in the middle of the game. He asked why. I told him, sincerely, that he had a big tournament coming up and I didn’t want to bring his game down by playing so badly with him.

I will never, ever forget what happened next. He stopped, thought for a second, and said, “Steve, from now on, you and me don’t gamble. I’m going to help you with your game.” I remember calling my parents that night and telling them what happened. They knew how much pool meant to me, and I had told them of George and how great it was to be exposed to such a talent. What George told me that day, that he was willing to take a chance on me, meant so much to me partially because it made me proud in front of my parents.

Around this time, George was one of the people who recommended me to Greg Hunt, the owner of Amsterdam, to be placed on the comp list. This changed everything. I could now practice as much as I wanted. I knew George at this point only a couple months I would say, and he was already sticking his neck out for me. I never forgot that either.

The next several years were a whirlwind of the heydays of Amsterdam East and NYC pool in general. There was never a poolroom or a time like it. If you weren’t a part of NYC pool from about 1998 to 2004 or so, you missed an unbelievably joyous time in the game. The level of play was skyrocketing by the day… everyone was getting better. And we were all led by George.

Anyone who saw him practice during that period knows how hard he worked. He’d throw out all the balls and play straight or rotation until he missed. And once he missed… that’s when the work started. He’d take out all fifteen balls and shoot the shot over. Then he’d take the fifteen balls again and shoot it with left English. Another fifteen, right English. Top… bottom. Hard… soft. The guy was a machine. Here was a 200-ball runner who’d shoot a hanger 60 times if he missed it even once.

He was a terror on the regional tours. He wouldn’t make grown men cry… he’d make them fall apart. He’d take other northeast champions and just dismantle them. 9-2. 9-1. 9-3. If you got to five against George in those days you probably played perfectly. (For the record, Tony was the only one I saw consistently stand up to him in those days. I don’t know who got the best of who, but it was damned close and I can truthfully not say that about anyone else in the region during that period.)

I remember all the 9-ball we played. Set after set after set, back in those glorious east side days. I learned so much. That thunderous break where he’d swing his hip at the last second. The way he’d play safe. He’d lock you up and cut off your rails. This was all new in the late 90s. He became an expert at making you fight with your last ounce of strength for every single opportunity you got. Unforced errors? Forget about it. You’d have more luck praying for a rain delay.

As his game took off, we became better and better friends. We went to Atlantic City a lot in those days, Gina and me, George and his then-girlfriend Casey. It was like a double-date for degenerates. He would drive us all down, and Gina and I would say silent prayers in the backseat that cops would shoot the tires out so he’d have to stop. It was that scary driving with him, lol. I remember hitting over 100mph when there were lots of other cars on the highway. I’d get out of the car finally and want to kiss the ground, but I didn’t want to show weakness in front of my hero.

You’d see him do things from time to time which were puzzling. Here was a guy who could be cut-your-throat-ruthless on the table. Then, sometimes, he’d take the hundred bucks or whatever that he scuffled up in the room, and just give it to a homeless guy. There was a guy in the poolroom who used to argue with George all the time. He wasn’t even a pool player. He played Megatouch, of all things, and sometimes he and George would match up at some royal flash. He had lost his job a while back and was living with his parents. He wore the same clothes, over and over, until they kind of stunk. I found out one day that George brought in a bag full of clothes to give to the guy. They weren’t new, but they were nice. And he didn’t do it in a way that would embarrass the guy; he did it privately. He was so kind to the unfortunate. I always wondered where that sensitivity came from, that unbelievable sense of empathy, and I never felt right asking him. I wish I had.

He was one of only two players who I would ever let scold me, if I did something wrong or thought a wrong way about something. He was only a few years older than I but in some ways he was like a parent to me about the game. I remember in Valley Forge, the year I came in 2nd in the huge amateur tournament, I spoke with him before the finals. He asked me how I felt. I knew that he wanted me to be confident, so I said “I feel like I’m going to win.” He stopped me and sternly said “Steve, I don’t wanna ever hear you tell me you’re going to win. I want to hear that you’re going to play well. That is all you can control. If you play well, the rest will come.” He was right. In pool, he was always right.

I will never forget all our talks about my game. He did all he could to convince me I could play, and I kept trying to convince him I couldn’t. It’d be funny if it weren’t sad. I honestly think I had him pulling his hair out. The perseverance he showed, in never giving up on me, will stay with me forever.

I remember around that time I came home from being out one night, and there on our answering machine was a call from George. “Hey Lip Rogers, Miss Kim… I finally did it. I snapped it off! I won the tournament!” He was talking about his first ever pro victory, in Olathe Kansas I believe. He didn’t even try to hide his giddiness. That’s what I loved about him. He drank in all of life’s joys. He was so proud of what he had accomplished.

9/11 affected him deeply. He was at the US Open, and it was the first year I didn’t go in a while. I was in constant contact with Nicky, who he was rooming with, and he told me that George watched all the coverage silently in his hotel room. They had tried to tear his city apart, this city he loved so much, and he wanted to help in any way he could. So he started a donation fund right there at the convention center. I believe he collected about $6,000 in cash and as soon as he got back to NYC he just walked into the local firehouse and quietly gave them the money. He didn’t want any fanfare for it, or even thanks. In his mind, he was saying thanks.

A few years later, I remember being somewhere with George, in a room with a piano and someone playing it. George sidled right up to the guy and just watched. He watched a master, as only another master could. He had such a deep understanding of what it took to be an expert at something, that even though he didn't know how to play the piano, he now knew what it took to play the piano. How many of us can truly understand something so foreign, like he did that day? He was so gifted, so talented.

In the end, I realize only now how much more I could have done for him. Not just towards the end but throughout our time together. He gave me so much, he gave us all so much back in those celebrated care-free days of NYC pool.

This last Monday night, he was in the room and it was mobbed. I was playing my straight pool league match on one of the front tables, and he grabbed one of the chairs and just watched. I loved when he watched me play. Earlier in the game, I had run exactly 100 and he found out and told me nice shooting. And he just sat and watched the rest. When it was over, I packed up and went to the restroom. When i came out, I had two choices - I could fight my way through the mob and say goodbye to him, or I could slink out the other way. I went the other way. I thought there would be other days, other hellos, other goodbyes. In this case, there wasn't, and I hate myself for that selfish choice I made that night. He gave me so much, he deserved a goodbye.

I pray he knows how much he affected me, and all of us in NYC, and all those players in the world he touched. There is a part of him in every ball I’ll ever make.

- Steve

Really great post Steve.
Thank you so much.
 
i don't know if anyone has mentioned this, but those close to him know,,,that ginky had another talent besides pool. he was a VERY VERY VERY good teller of jokes. he had a terrific sense of timing. i would repeat a joke ginky told me and it would fall dead flat.

Welcome back Bruin70, even if it is under such sad circumstances. I had mentioned you in an AZ M.I.A. thread we did.

Best wishes to you and and my sincere condolences to the friends and family of Ginky, obviously an amazing young man. I think that Jim Murnak video of him should be aired on a television show.

Chris
 
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great story

It was common knowledge around the northeast in the late ‘90s that a young kid nicknamed Ginky was playing fantastic pool out of Amsterdam Billiards in Manhattan. Together with Tony Robles, they represented a level of the game I had never seen in person, and I knew this was the place I needed to be.

I worked in the city, but my move there had much less to do with a shorter commute than it did with needing to be around a higher level of the game. I found a shoebox-sized apartment near the room. I still remember the very first night I was on my own out there; I felt like an adult as I walked into Amsterdam, ready to introduce myself to the world. There was a big crowd around table 8, the front table. George was playing Tony an exhibition match. I was in heaven. I had never seen Tony in person before. I had seen George a few times out on Long Island. But to see them playing each other… these were the days before youtube and live streaming. It was a luxury to see pool at this level. If I was an adult when I walked in the room, I now knew what I wanted to be when I grew up.

When I finally met George about a week later, the standard game with us became a hundred fifty points or a race to 9 for twenty bucks. I’d play him and I was so nervous I couldn’t even see straight. Literally – I was running 4s, 7s, jesus sometimes 0s. It didn’t matter. I wasn’t there to beat him. I did all I could to learn, but what I remember most about those first games is watching his eyes. You could see in those eyes that you were never getting to the table. I watched his patterns and positional routes, in both 9 ball and straight pool. His decisions were flawless and, matched with his effortless execution, represented the deadliest combination of skills I’d ever seen.

We started becoming friends. One day, after playing particularly poorly against him, I tried to quit in the middle of the game. He asked why. I told him, sincerely, that he had a big tournament coming up and I didn’t want to bring his game down by playing so badly with him.

I will never, ever forget what happened next. He stopped, thought for a second, and said, “Steve, from now on, you and me don’t gamble. I’m going to help you with your game.” I remember calling my parents that night and telling them what happened. They knew how much pool meant to me, and I had told them of George and how great it was to be exposed to such a talent. What George told me that day, that he was willing to take a chance on me, meant so much to me partially because it made me proud in front of my parents.

Around this time, George was one of the people who recommended me to Greg Hunt, the owner of Amsterdam, to be placed on the comp list. This changed everything. I could now practice as much as I wanted. I knew George at this point only a couple months I would say, and he was already sticking his neck out for me. I never forgot that either.

The next several years were a whirlwind of the heydays of Amsterdam East and NYC pool in general. There was never a poolroom or a time like it. If you weren’t a part of NYC pool from about 1998 to 2004 or so, you missed an unbelievably joyous time in the game. The level of play was skyrocketing by the day… everyone was getting better. And we were all led by George.

Anyone who saw him practice during that period knows how hard he worked. He’d throw out all the balls and play straight or rotation until he missed. And once he missed… that’s when the work started. He’d take out all fifteen balls and shoot the shot over. Then he’d take the fifteen balls again and shoot it with left English. Another fifteen, right English. Top… bottom. Hard… soft. The guy was a machine. Here was a 200-ball runner who’d shoot a hanger 60 times if he missed it even once.

He was a terror on the regional tours. He wouldn’t make grown men cry… he’d make them fall apart. He’d take other northeast champions and just dismantle them. 9-2. 9-1. 9-3. If you got to five against George in those days you probably played perfectly. (For the record, Tony was the only one I saw consistently stand up to him in those days. I don’t know who got the best of who, but it was damned close and I can truthfully not say that about anyone else in the region during that period.)

I remember all the 9-ball we played. Set after set after set, back in those glorious east side days. I learned so much. That thunderous break where he’d swing his hip at the last second. The way he’d play safe. He’d lock you up and cut off your rails. This was all new in the late 90s. He became an expert at making you fight with your last ounce of strength for every single opportunity you got. Unforced errors? Forget about it. You’d have more luck praying for a rain delay.

As his game took off, we became better and better friends. We went to Atlantic City a lot in those days, Gina and me, George and his then-girlfriend Casey. It was like a double-date for degenerates. He would drive us all down, and Gina and I would say silent prayers in the backseat that cops would shoot the tires out so he’d have to stop. It was that scary driving with him, lol. I remember hitting over 100mph when there were lots of other cars on the highway. I’d get out of the car finally and want to kiss the ground, but I didn’t want to show weakness in front of my hero.

You’d see him do things from time to time which were puzzling. Here was a guy who could be cut-your-throat-ruthless on the table. Then, sometimes, he’d take the hundred bucks or whatever that he scuffled up in the room, and just give it to a homeless guy. There was a guy in the poolroom who used to argue with George all the time. He wasn’t even a pool player. He played Megatouch, of all things, and sometimes he and George would match up at some royal flash. He had lost his job a while back and was living with his parents. He wore the same clothes, over and over, until they kind of stunk. I found out one day that George brought in a bag full of clothes to give to the guy. They weren’t new, but they were nice. And he didn’t do it in a way that would embarrass the guy; he did it privately. He was so kind to the unfortunate. I always wondered where that sensitivity came from, that unbelievable sense of empathy, and I never felt right asking him. I wish I had.

He was one of only two players who I would ever let scold me, if I did something wrong or thought a wrong way about something. He was only a few years older than I but in some ways he was like a parent to me about the game. I remember in Valley Forge, the year I came in 2nd in the huge amateur tournament, I spoke with him before the finals. He asked me how I felt. I knew that he wanted me to be confident, so I said “I feel like I’m going to win.” He stopped me and sternly said “Steve, I don’t wanna ever hear you tell me you’re going to win. I want to hear that you’re going to play well. That is all you can control. If you play well, the rest will come.” He was right. In pool, he was always right.

I will never forget all our talks about my game. He did all he could to convince me I could play, and I kept trying to convince him I couldn’t. It’d be funny if it weren’t sad. I honestly think I had him pulling his hair out. The perseverance he showed, in never giving up on me, will stay with me forever.

I remember around that time I came home from being out one night, and there on our answering machine was a call from George. “Hey Lip Rogers, Miss Kim… I finally did it. I snapped it off! I won the tournament!” He was talking about his first ever pro victory, in Olathe Kansas I believe. He didn’t even try to hide his giddiness. That’s what I loved about him. He drank in all of life’s joys. He was so proud of what he had accomplished.

9/11 affected him deeply. He was at the US Open, and it was the first year I didn’t go in a while. I was in constant contact with Nicky, who he was rooming with, and he told me that George watched all the coverage silently in his hotel room. They had tried to tear his city apart, this city he loved so much, and he wanted to help in any way he could. So he started a donation fund right there at the convention center. I believe he collected about $6,000 in cash and as soon as he got back to NYC he just walked into the local firehouse and quietly gave them the money. He didn’t want any fanfare for it, or even thanks. In his mind, he was saying thanks.

A few years later, I remember being somewhere with George, in a room with a piano and someone playing it. George sidled right up to the guy and just watched. He watched a master, as only another master could. He had such a deep understanding of what it took to be an expert at something, that even though he didn't know how to play the piano, he now knew what it took to play the piano. How many of us can truly understand something so foreign, like he did that day? He was so gifted, so talented.

In the end, I realize only now how much more I could have done for him. Not just towards the end but throughout our time together. He gave me so much, he gave us all so much back in those celebrated care-free days of NYC pool.

This last Monday night, he was in the room and it was mobbed. I was playing my straight pool league match on one of the front tables, and he grabbed one of the chairs and just watched. I loved when he watched me play. Earlier in the game, I had run exactly 100 and he found out and told me nice shooting. And he just sat and watched the rest. When it was over, I packed up and went to the restroom. When i came out, I had two choices - I could fight my way through the mob and say goodbye to him, or I could slink out the other way. I went the other way. I thought there would be other days, other hellos, other goodbyes. In this case, there wasn't, and I hate myself for that selfish choice I made that night. He gave me so much, he deserved a goodbye.

I pray he knows how much he affected me, and all of us in NYC, and all those players in the world he touched. There is a part of him in every ball I’ll ever make.

- Steve

That was a great story Steve, and I know how you are feeling losing someone so close to you, I have lost several of my good friends that I grew up with. One of my best friends was killed when he was a young 25 years old and I didn't leave my house for over a week, it's shocking particularly when someone is so young.

Please don't feel guilty for leaving without saying good bye, he was your good friend and you let him enjoy himself doing what makes him happy plus there would be more times for good byes, and hellos, but there wasn't and you did nothing wrong,you were a friend and a good one and that's the way it ended. You should feel special for having, and being true friends with one of the greatest player NY. has ever had my condolences goes out to you for being who you are, and being Georges friend.

Life is sometimes short, we really never know what tomorrow will bring, so lets try to live today with that thought.

Billy Incardona
 
It was common knowledge around the northeast in the late ‘90s that a young kid nicknamed Ginky was playing fantastic pool out of Amsterdam Billiards in Manhattan. Together with Tony Robles, they represented a level of the game I had never seen in person, and I knew this was the place I needed to be.

I worked in the city, but my move there had much less to do with a shorter commute than it did with needing to be around a higher level of the game. I found a shoebox-sized apartment near the room. I still remember the very first night I was on my own out there; I felt like an adult as I walked into Amsterdam, ready to introduce myself to the world. There was a big crowd around table 8, the front table. George was playing Tony an exhibition match. I was in heaven. I had never seen Tony in person before. I had seen George a few times out on Long Island. But to see them playing each other… these were the days before youtube and live streaming. It was a luxury to see pool at this level. If I was an adult when I walked in the room, I now knew what I wanted to be when I grew up.

When I finally met George about a week later, the standard game with us became a hundred fifty points or a race to 9 for twenty bucks. I’d play him and I was so nervous I couldn’t even see straight. Literally – I was running 4s, 7s, jesus sometimes 0s. It didn’t matter. I wasn’t there to beat him. I did all I could to learn, but what I remember most about those first games is watching his eyes. You could see in those eyes that you were never getting to the table. I watched his patterns and positional routes, in both 9 ball and straight pool. His decisions were flawless and, matched with his effortless execution, represented the deadliest combination of skills I’d ever seen.

We started becoming friends. One day, after playing particularly poorly against him, I tried to quit in the middle of the game. He asked why. I told him, sincerely, that he had a big tournament coming up and I didn’t want to bring his game down by playing so badly with him.

I will never, ever forget what happened next. He stopped, thought for a second, and said, “Steve, from now on, you and me don’t gamble. I’m going to help you with your game.” I remember calling my parents that night and telling them what happened. They knew how much pool meant to me, and I had told them of George and how great it was to be exposed to such a talent. What George told me that day, that he was willing to take a chance on me, meant so much to me partially because it made me proud in front of my parents.

Around this time, George was one of the people who recommended me to Greg Hunt, the owner of Amsterdam, to be placed on the comp list. This changed everything. I could now practice as much as I wanted. I knew George at this point only a couple months I would say, and he was already sticking his neck out for me. I never forgot that either.

The next several years were a whirlwind of the heydays of Amsterdam East and NYC pool in general. There was never a poolroom or a time like it. If you weren’t a part of NYC pool from about 1998 to 2004 or so, you missed an unbelievably joyous time in the game. The level of play was skyrocketing by the day… everyone was getting better. And we were all led by George.

Anyone who saw him practice during that period knows how hard he worked. He’d throw out all the balls and play straight or rotation until he missed. And once he missed… that’s when the work started. He’d take out all fifteen balls and shoot the shot over. Then he’d take the fifteen balls again and shoot it with left English. Another fifteen, right English. Top… bottom. Hard… soft. The guy was a machine. Here was a 200-ball runner who’d shoot a hanger 60 times if he missed it even once.

He was a terror on the regional tours. He wouldn’t make grown men cry… he’d make them fall apart. He’d take other northeast champions and just dismantle them. 9-2. 9-1. 9-3. If you got to five against George in those days you probably played perfectly. (For the record, Tony was the only one I saw consistently stand up to him in those days. I don’t know who got the best of who, but it was damned close and I can truthfully not say that about anyone else in the region during that period.)

I remember all the 9-ball we played. Set after set after set, back in those glorious east side days. I learned so much. That thunderous break where he’d swing his hip at the last second. The way he’d play safe. He’d lock you up and cut off your rails. This was all new in the late 90s. He became an expert at making you fight with your last ounce of strength for every single opportunity you got. Unforced errors? Forget about it. You’d have more luck praying for a rain delay.

As his game took off, we became better and better friends. We went to Atlantic City a lot in those days, Gina and me, George and his then-girlfriend Casey. It was like a double-date for degenerates. He would drive us all down, and Gina and I would say silent prayers in the backseat that cops would shoot the tires out so he’d have to stop. It was that scary driving with him, lol. I remember hitting over 100mph when there were lots of other cars on the highway. I’d get out of the car finally and want to kiss the ground, but I didn’t want to show weakness in front of my hero.

You’d see him do things from time to time which were puzzling. Here was a guy who could be cut-your-throat-ruthless on the table. Then, sometimes, he’d take the hundred bucks or whatever that he scuffled up in the room, and just give it to a homeless guy. There was a guy in the poolroom who used to argue with George all the time. He wasn’t even a pool player. He played Megatouch, of all things, and sometimes he and George would match up at some royal flash. He had lost his job a while back and was living with his parents. He wore the same clothes, over and over, until they kind of stunk. I found out one day that George brought in a bag full of clothes to give to the guy. They weren’t new, but they were nice. And he didn’t do it in a way that would embarrass the guy; he did it privately. He was so kind to the unfortunate. I always wondered where that sensitivity came from, that unbelievable sense of empathy, and I never felt right asking him. I wish I had.

He was one of only two players who I would ever let scold me, if I did something wrong or thought a wrong way about something. He was only a few years older than I but in some ways he was like a parent to me about the game. I remember in Valley Forge, the year I came in 2nd in the huge amateur tournament, I spoke with him before the finals. He asked me how I felt. I knew that he wanted me to be confident, so I said “I feel like I’m going to win.” He stopped me and sternly said “Steve, I don’t wanna ever hear you tell me you’re going to win. I want to hear that you’re going to play well. That is all you can control. If you play well, the rest will come.” He was right. In pool, he was always right.

I will never forget all our talks about my game. He did all he could to convince me I could play, and I kept trying to convince him I couldn’t. It’d be funny if it weren’t sad. I honestly think I had him pulling his hair out. The perseverance he showed, in never giving up on me, will stay with me forever.

I remember around that time I came home from being out one night, and there on our answering machine was a call from George. “Hey Lip Rogers, Miss Kim… I finally did it. I snapped it off! I won the tournament!” He was talking about his first ever pro victory, in Olathe Kansas I believe. He didn’t even try to hide his giddiness. That’s what I loved about him. He drank in all of life’s joys. He was so proud of what he had accomplished.

9/11 affected him deeply. He was at the US Open, and it was the first year I didn’t go in a while. I was in constant contact with Nicky, who he was rooming with, and he told me that George watched all the coverage silently in his hotel room. They had tried to tear his city apart, this city he loved so much, and he wanted to help in any way he could. So he started a donation fund right there at the convention center. I believe he collected about $6,000 in cash and as soon as he got back to NYC he just walked into the local firehouse and quietly gave them the money. He didn’t want any fanfare for it, or even thanks. In his mind, he was saying thanks.

A few years later, I remember being somewhere with George, in a room with a piano and someone playing it. George sidled right up to the guy and just watched. He watched a master, as only another master could. He had such a deep understanding of what it took to be an expert at something, that even though he didn't know how to play the piano, he now knew what it took to play the piano. How many of us can truly understand something so foreign, like he did that day? He was so gifted, so talented.

In the end, I realize only now how much more I could have done for him. Not just towards the end but throughout our time together. He gave me so much, he gave us all so much back in those celebrated care-free days of NYC pool.

This last Monday night, he was in the room and it was mobbed. I was playing my straight pool league match on one of the front tables, and he grabbed one of the chairs and just watched. I loved when he watched me play. Earlier in the game, I had run exactly 100 and he found out and told me nice shooting. And he just sat and watched the rest. When it was over, I packed up and went to the restroom. When i came out, I had two choices - I could fight my way through the mob and say goodbye to him, or I could slink out the other way. I went the other way. I thought there would be other days, other hellos, other goodbyes. In this case, there wasn't, and I hate myself for that selfish choice I made that night. He gave me so much, he deserved a goodbye.

I pray he knows how much he affected me, and all of us in NYC, and all those players in the world he touched. There is a part of him in every ball I’ll ever make.

- Steve

This post brought me to tears. Every ounce of love you have for George shines through your words. He was lucky to have known such great friendship in his lifetime.

My best to you and Gina.

Melissa
 
I never had the pleasure of meeting George. However I have seen him play on several occasions. It was very interesting to read all of the stories written about him throughout these threads. Pool definitely has lost an Ambassador of the game. He will be missed...

My condolences go out to his family and friends. I will also make a point to find Mr. Robles for a donation.


Chris
 
I spoke with him on Monday and it still hasn't really sunk in that he's gone.

I do remember the days back in Chelsea billiards...playing 9-ball on the front snooker table with him...centennials on the big table and tiny pockets...and watching his stutter-stroke when he approached a difficult shot which required extra focus...he could definitely turn it up a notch.

Gink had game to be watched and admired...very smooth in his day...and I'm lucky to have been witness.
 
The Pro Players Raise Funds as Tribute to George "Ginky" SanSouci in Valley Forge - Today, 07:43 PM

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The top pro players on tour will be taking donations and challenges from fans to raise money for the late George "Ginky" Sansouci's family. Fans can come from today through Sunday and challenge a variety of pros who are giving their time to help one of their fellow player's family. The donations and challenges will be taking place at the Predator Poison Booth at the Super Billiards Expo which is at the very front main entrance to the expo.

Thank you to the top pros participating with their time including Thorsten Hohmann, Mike Davis, Johnny Archer, Charlie Williams, and Tony Robles. Many more pros are expected to join in over the 4 days of the event. And thank you to Predator Group for their donation of the cue and use of their table and booth.


Ginky was not only one of the greatest players to ever come out of NYC, but one of the best in the world

We will take challenges daily for $10 for 1 game and if a fan wins they get a raffle ticket. If they pay $20 they play a race to 2 and get an automatic ticket plus if they beat us they get 2 more (3 total) tickets. We will do the drawing on Sunday an hour before the show closes. No need be present if you a left name and number on the ticket. Predator will ship right to your door.

The money is going towards the cost of Ginky's funeral and to help his family.

Fans and industry, we are also taking direct donations. Please see me, Tony Robles, or Thorsten Hohmann if you wish to make a contribution.

Just goto the booth and inquire about when the next challenges for Ginky are taking place, as we will be there throughout the day, everyday.

Thank you,
Charlie Williams
 
The Pro Players Raise Funds as Tribute to George "Ginky" SanSouci in Valley Forge - Today, 07:43 PM

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The top pro players on tour will be taking donations and challenges from fans to raise money for the late George "Ginky" Sansouci's family. Fans can come from today through Sunday and challenge a variety of pros who are giving their time to help one of their fellow player's family. The donations and challenges will be taking place at the Predator Poison Booth at the Super Billiards Expo which is at the very front main entrance to the expo.

Thank you to the top pros participating with their time including Thorsten Hohmann, Mike Davis, Johnny Archer, Charlie Williams, and Tony Robles. Many more pros are expected to join in over the 4 days of the event. And thank you to Predator Group for their donation of the cue and use of their table and booth.


Ginky was not only one of the greatest players to ever come out of NYC, but one of the best in the world

We will take challenges daily for $10 for 1 game and if a fan wins they get a raffle ticket. If they pay $20 they play a race to 2 and get an automatic ticket plus if they beat us they get 2 more (3 total) tickets. We will do the drawing on Sunday an hour before the show closes. No need be present if you a left name and number on the ticket. Predator will ship right to your door.

The money is going towards the cost of Ginky's funeral and to help his family.

Fans and industry, we are also taking direct donations. Please see me, Tony Robles, or Thorsten Hohmann if you wish to make a contribution.

Just goto the booth and inquire about when the next challenges for Ginky are taking place, as we will be there throughout the day, everyday.

Thank you,
Charlie Williams
Glad to see you guys banding togerther in a time of need of a fellow player. I'll be donating when I arrive tomorrow.
 
-- for brevity

There is a part of him in every ball I’ll ever make.

- Steve

So beautiful Steve. Thank you for posting that for all to read.

Coincidentally, I was there in '01 also. I remember putting a few dollars in that jar you spoke of and thinking to myself about George: now there is one of the selfless people in professional pool, make a note, you don't see that every day
 
The news of Ginky's passing like many others is truly tragic for me. I first met George when I was thirteen years old. By fifteen we were going on the road together. I stumbled into the poolroom with my father to knock balls around, and noticing I had a little bit of talent and a lot of passion for the game Ginky quickly began teaching me, for free. I was so fortunate to be mentored by him and Steve Lipsky coming up in pool, and life really, and him being gone is a real shock.

We all know how talented he was. Well, I think we do. The man was as close to perfect on a pool table I've ever seen in his prime. Effortless, smooth, careful, truly a sight to see. I remember once when I was 15 playing a game of straight pool with him. I broke, and naturally, he ran 150 and out, then nonchalantly unscrewed as if nothing was odd. I practically begged him to keep shooting, and he looked at me and said, "kid, it's not the first 150 I've run and it sure won't be the last." And off he went.

I remember leaving the poolroom one night with him at closing to grab a late night snack. He saw a homeless man who lived on the block of the poolroom and gave him $100. I think Gink had $200 on him. Stuff like that he never thought twice about.

One time I was driving back from a tournament with him where he came in 2nd, and wasn't too pleased. This story may not cast him in the best light, but it's a vivid memory for me and truly a testament to his dedication. It was nighttime, not another car on the road, headed back to the city from Glen Falls New York. I was probably 14 at the time. After twenty or thirty minutes of silence he reached into the backseat and handed me his 2nd place trophy. "Kid, I want you to keep this, and when you get home throw it in the garbage." "Huh? Cmon Gink, 2nd isn't SO bad! I didn't even cash." "2nd place is just the first loser," he said, and we drove for another four hours practically in silence. He dropped me off at my place and said, "noon tomorrow kid?". I told him I'd see him there and when I got there he was practicing the shot he missed at 6 - 5 in the tournament that cost him the match. He said he'd been practicing for hours.

I could go on and on. I'm sitting on a plane from LA to NY with not much to do but think about him. I suppose cherished memories is all I have left of him, but cherished they are, and I';; have 'em forever.

Thank you Ginkster

R I P my brother.

Nick

Nick, quite the classy move to come on azbilliards and share your stories with us about George. Thank you!
 
My condolences to his family and friends. Obviously a wonderful human being who I only wish I could have known. RIP George.
 
Dear Az People,
I wanted to share a story not many heard:
like 5 years ago at Masters Billiards in Queens Ginky decided that 3 cushion was a game he needed to master.
I played 3 cushion pretty sporty at that time average 900 to 1.0 and I started showing him some basic position shots. I was very surprised how quickly he was catching things it took me years to master.

Soon he became a true master of the game with an average 1.o and even more making shots that showed his pure talent.

Impressive the most impressive how talented and natural Ginky was.
To Me Ginky has always been the most talented all around player I have ever seen. I just remember the reverse english long shots he was able to make look like no brainier. The smooth stroke. Thank you Ginky for your pool tips I have received from you.

My condolences go out to his family and friends

Vass Vassi
 
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@ Steve Lipsky
Wonderful post Steve. I'm sorry I never met you. By the time you were playing Ginky, I was back in school and couldn't afford even table time.

I had been friends with George Mikula for years. I guess dating back to the late 70's at Julian's. And like everyone else, when Chelsea Billiards opened, I left the piss-crusted steps of Julians for the glitz of Chelea.

The first time I saw Ginky at Chelsea, I thought he was 14, and wondered if it was even legal for him to be in a pool room. But was a really nice kid, very polite, and he was absolutely fascinated with pool.

Pretty soon Paul Snider (sp?) began helping him and Ginky's game jumped quickly. By the time George took to playing Ginky straight pool, Ginky was already a strong player. Paul liked to teach and he was very open sharing with Ginky. George was more old school. He would teach you things, but you had to dig it out of him or learn by racking for him. That's how Ginky learned straight pool--racking for George. I had done the same, 15 years early at Julians.

Anyway, after a year of watching George's exquisite patterns, Ginky added straight pool patterns and precision position to his formidable shotmaking and he quickly became one of the top players in NYC. I can't recall exactly, but I don't think it was much more than a year from the first time I met Ginky until he became a monster player.

I dropped out of pool after George Mikula died. I just didn't care to play anymore. Never took my beloved Southwest out of the case for 10 years. Then I moved out of NYC for Oregon. I never got to see Ginky again, though we chatted online about old times and this and that a few times since.

So, to hear yesterday that Ginky had died, made me sick. I was proud of Ginky for the man he'd become. He was probably 19 the last time I actually saw him, and I swear he didn't look 15! All I care to remember is how we'd all sit by the table when George Mikula played, and I remember how intently Ginky studied him. That's how I remember George Mikula, and that's how I'll remember Ginky.

RIP Ginky. You died early, but you were a champion in sport and life. Go with honor.
 
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