Lost Arts

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Buster8001 said:
Umm, I was taking her seriously. I would like to see her slip stroke. Re-read Hu's post and you'll see why.

Did you miss the first sentence of my second paragraph? Did you, also, miss the smiley face at the end of my second paragraph? It's called playful banter. You, obviously, could use some yourself. Stop being such a hard ass behind a keyboard.

Furthermore, I've never once tried to "coach" a female player as stated.

Josh
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Josh,

I always got a chuckle out of the owners of a shooting range I spent a lot of time at. Any reasonably attractive female it was necessary to put both arms around them from behind to show them how to shoot a pistol. Funny, I never saw them need to do that teaching a male to shoot! I often notice considerable difference in technique teaching a man or lady to shoot at a pool hall too. A few exceptions to the rule, that is when you know the man is genuinely a gentleman.

I do think your post was a little overboard, I wouldn't have proposed to a lady with a slip stroke until the first date. Don't be rushing things! :D

Hu
 
The upright shooting stance. Take a look at pictures and drawings of late 1800s and early 1900s shooters - they all stood more upright on the shot setups.
 
Playing pool buck neckid in a bar. Ah, the good ole days.

Last weekend.

Pffft. They told me not to come back.
 
shark proofing

Blue Hog ridr said:
Playing pool buck neckid in a bar. Ah, the good ole days.

Last weekend.

Pffft. They told me not to come back.
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When I was fifteen to twenty I spent a lot of time playing naked ladies in bars. Them shore weren't no gentlemen's clubs back then. That was pretty serious shark proofing. I remember in another little bar I was shooting the money ball straight in when the girl with the guy I was playing for pretty good coin for the time leaned over the corner and pulled down the neck of her top and bra letting the puppies out to play. I shot the money ball into the hole without batting an eye, commented, "not bad but I've seen better" and collected my money. I'm not sure if the dollars gone or the comment angered them the most. Seemed they were both pretty proud of her rack!

Been so long since I have been in a girlie joint I don't know, they still have naked ladies playing pool? All these "gentleman's clubs" now I have kinda thought somebody out to open a good ol' low dive naked dancing lady joint. Maybe like the real pool halls, almost a thing of the past?

Hu
 
The slip stoke is a mainstay of 14.1 players and still exists today with those who play the chamionship game. Most deliver the stroke and then release the pressure on the butt hand and alow the cue to followthrough. Cicero Murphy on the other hand allowed the cue to slip both on the back and forward stroke.
 
Ghosst said:
Kicking is on its way out.


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I don't think kicking is on it's way out, but more people are opting for jump cues these days. There is an art to kicking and most don't take the time to learn it. I don't think you can be an accomplished player unless you learn it, so if it is dying than it gives those of us that know how to kick three rails, hit AND get safe a major advantage
 
Ghosst said:
Kicking is on its way out.


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Do you mean kicking to get out of a jam or kicking to pocket a ball. For instance if the obj ball is on the rail on the diamond near the pocket with the CB parallel i'll kick it in
 
ShootingArts said:
When I was fifteen to twenty I spent a lot of time playing naked ladies in bars. Them shore weren't no gentlemen's clubs back then. That was pretty serious shark proofing. I remember in another little bar I was shooting the money ball straight in when the girl with the guy I was playing for pretty good coin for the time leaned over the corner and pulled down the neck of her top and bra letting the puppies out to play. I shot the money ball into the hole without batting an eye, commented, "not bad but I've seen better" and collected my money. I'm not sure if the dollars gone or the comment angered them the most. Seemed they were both pretty proud of her rack!

Been so long since I have been in a girlie joint I don't know, they still have naked ladies playing pool? All these "gentleman's clubs" now I have kinda thought somebody out to open a good ol' low dive naked dancing lady joint. Maybe like the real pool halls, almost a thing of the past?

Hu
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About 30 years ago I'm visiting my very best friend in Houston. He wants to be hospitable and knowing I like to swing a cue he asks at 8am after a night out ont the town if I want go shoot some pool. Actually meaning I need a little hair of the dog right now!! We walk in this joint and there's a chugging contest, chugging PICHERS and the bar has a walkway. Hmmmm. He goes to the bar to bar to order and I head to feed a table some quarters. I'm on my knees inserting quarters and a waitress taps me on the shoulder asking if I want a drink. I turn around to answer and there's these two huge bare tits with pasties staring me in the face. All I could do was laugh.

Sorry for the hijack. I'm too old to know if this still happens but my guess is this is probably mild. At the very least the pasties are not required.
 
Buster8001 said:
I would love for someone to show me a "real" slip stroke. I think it's gone.

Josh
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Not sure how far you are into WV... If you make it to the Open or down to Bristol I can demonstrate very effectively... Come August I may have to drive to NJ again and might schedule a detour just to break up the drive...

I can promise you that it is easiest done with a good Irish linen wrap and dry hands...... On soft shots you can hear it almost better than you can see it....

Chris
 
CreeDo said:
-Probably more players could full-cue jump as a secret weapon, before the invention of the jump cue.
-Hustling in general, you can't pull some 'john doe the wealthy auto dealer' routine anymore.
-Pushout tactics... these days players just push to a jump shot
-Strategic slop... with 9b falling out of favor (to 10b) and everyone going with call-shot 8b,
you can't do some 3-way flyer with a chance to make several different shots.
-Poker pool, kelly pool, golf, 3ball, other pill bottle games... I absolutely never see these anymore.
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Never played those other games,but I play in a lively game of 3-ball at least once a month,at cigar night at one of the bars up the road.
 
Straight pool.

Last time I checked there were a mere 13 players competing for the Maryland state championship. Out of the 13, at least half of em' lived out of state.
 
ShootingArts said:
Josh,

I do think your post was a little overboard, I wouldn't have proposed to a lady with a slip stroke until the first date. Don't be rushing things! :D

Hu
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It's cool, Hu. I'm back off the red line, shifted gears, and in cruise control now.

The Renfro said:
Not sure how far you are into WV... If you make it to the Open or down to Bristol I can demonstrate very effectively... Come August I may have to drive to NJ again and might schedule a detour just to break up the drive...

I can promise you that it is easiest done with a good Irish linen wrap and dry hands...... On soft shots you can hear it almost better than you can see it....

Chris
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Hey Chris, you have to swing my way in you're headed up to NJ. I'm in Martinsburg, right off interstate 81, in between Winchester VA and Hagerstown MD.


poolplayer2093 said:
man it feels good nailing this one.
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Josh
 
Anytime a ball is near a cushion it presents a much bigger target to hit or pot. Kicking at a specific side or spot on a ball in the middle of a table is disappearing.

I don't mind jump cues either, in fact I have two in my case. I jump 10-15 times out of 100. The rest are kicks. The difference I see is in the average person, not the pros.

One other thing I've noticed on it's way to a bygone era is the masse, whether a full or half-masse unless you're watching a trick shot demonstration.
 
Buster8001 said:
I would love for someone to show me a "real" slip stroke. I think it's gone.

Josh
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I don't have a camera to show you but I can describe it. It is not that complicated. I used to see it back in the 70s. It has some advantages but it is not the kind of thing you would use on every shot. Now that you mention it, I think I will go down to the pool hall and work on it today. There was a good player named Jack Hunter in Memphis years ago that did it all the time. I would see other players use it occasionally.

In order to do this you need to have a mature steady stroke to begin with. You take your practice stroke as usual. The last stroke is very deliberate. You bring the cue tip up to the cue ball, tighten your bridge and hold it. Then you release the butt on the backswing and slide your hand back along the butt. You re-grip the butt at the end of the backswing and swing forward.

Once you come forward one your final practice swing, you are holding the tip right at the exact spot you want to hit the cue ball. The tip, and the cue, does not move on your backswing. Your stroke hand slips back, then you drive the cue through the ball.

Yes, you can really juice the cue ball with it. You can also do the same thing without it. Some believe that it is easier with a slip stroke. It works really well in some situations like when you want to be really precise about where you hit the cue ball.

Again, if you do not have a stable stroke to begin with, adding a slip stroke is just going to make it worse. I will post a video sometime if I run into someone who has a camera.
 
ChopStick said:
I don't have a camera to show you but I can describe it. It is not that complicated. I used to see it back in the 70s. It has some advantages but it is not the kind of thing you would use on every shot. Now that you mention it, I think I will go down to the pool hall and work on it today. There was a good player named Jack Hunter in Memphis years ago that did it all the time. I would see other players use it occasionally.

In order to do this you need to have a mature steady stroke to begin with. You take your practice stroke as usual. The last stroke is very deliberate. You bring the cue tip up to the cue ball, tighten your bridge and hold it. Then you release the butt on the backswing and slide your hand back along the butt. You re-grip the butt at the end of the backswing and swing forward.

Once you come forward one your final practice swing, you are holding the tip right at the exact spot you want to hit the cue ball. The tip, and the cue, does not move on your backswing. Your stroke hand slips back, then you drive the cue through the ball.

Yes, you can really juice the cue ball with it. You can also do the same thing without it. Some believe that it is easier with a slip stroke. It works really well in some situations like when you want to be really precise about where you hit the cue ball.

Again, if you do not have a stable stroke to begin with, adding a slip stroke is just going to make it worse. I will post a video sometime if I run into someone who has a camera.
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Yeah, ChopStick, I totally understand the mechanics behind the stroke. Like the title of this thread states, and I believe, it is a lost art. I play around with the stroke, myself; I'm just not very proficient.

Josh
 
Buster8001 said:
I wanna see!

LOL, and yes, I do know that type of ass. I'm a dude, and it ticks me off. You're a female, and you shoot pool; you're hot. Add in a "real" slip stroke and I'm available for instant marriage; no coaching included.
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Josh
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Red rep to you
 
True road hustling can be considered pretty much dead with the advent of the web forums, smart phones, YouTube and other such strange witchcraft. However the upside is the advent of a wide-spread international community of pool players and fans who can now easily communicate and match up as desired.

Oh, and using ceiling plaster to chalk your cue.
 
While I'm thinking about it, since you mentioned using the ceiling, there seems to be a lost art of making creative cue chalk holders, that are attached to the table or ceiling. Used to be some pretty groovy ones.

On the flip side, there has been an upsurge of "personal" chalk holders
 
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