Lowballing prices

there is no such thing as an insulting low offer if
done correctly

if he says no deal,no dice

and you still want the cue go ahead and buy it
to make a second low offer if he doesn't respond is
poor form

there is a certain kind of person who just never pays a fair price
if offered a good deal he still tries to steal

Randy Morris had a 6 point Szamboti,he came from houston to sell it to me for $1600

back in the day

I asked if he would take $1400

He replied that he wouldn't even take 1600 ,the new price was $1800

I quickly paid the $1800 before he went up again

he and I have both enjoyed that story

I learned an important lesson

Today if someone offers me x-1 for something
I always go up to x+1

it almost always works
if not I go to x+2

this is the way i work with the habitual haggler when i am already offering
a good price


i like working with will prout
we made a trade,fair to both of us
he sent me a free case as a bonus

it was my favorite case of all time
centennial made it for me and i had sold it to him
as i knew he would treasure it
yet i missed owning it

will realized that,and sent it back

he is a class guy

trying to get way the best of a deal is poor form

Dean, you nailed it 100%.

Robin Snyder
 
Is offering a cue builder 75 percent of asking price on a new custom unplayed one of one cue a fair offer ?

Or is it an insult ?

Seeing as how your prices are beyond reasonable for the great quality of your work, I'd take it as an insult; from your perspective.
You give allot of cue for what you ask.
I've always admired you for it.
 
Larry is a dear and close friend of mine and we have been sparring partners on the pool table every week for years. He will be 91 in a few months and he still has a better stroke than most guys I know half his age. :)

Larry has dedicated himself to helping seniors and veterans by providing free lessons and equipment advice and he has even organized leagues for them. Also, he works with youth league players helping them with their games while trying to keep interest alive in our sport.

Your suggestion that maybe he should have taken the $100 out of his pocket rather than try to get it from your pocket seems a little short-sighted to me. He already gives quite a lot of himself.

After he explained his situation to you, what he was trying to do for his student, all you had to say was yes, that will be fine or sorry, no thanks. Why post a thread about it?

Did you feel it was so egregious?

best,
brian kc

Larry is one of the nicest guys on the planet. He wasn't trying to gouge anybody out of anything. He was just trying to help someone who couldn't afford more. I agree with Brian. Say yes or say no and move on.
 
I am gonna revise my earlier thoughts ( first of all from the OP's initial post I thought he was the buyer lol ), but what I said s far as negotiations still stand true but I wanna add this - I can see a couple scenarios when a 75 % offer could piss someone off. One would be lets saying your selling a house for $400,000 ( and it is priced appropriately as per appraisal) and some jerk wad wanna be tv real estate flipper comes along and offers $300k. Its not even so much the price bit rather that person has now wasted xxx amount of peoples time. They know they probably dont have two nickels to rub together but go around making stupid offers on the off chance someone accepts ( and they make the offer based on the loan to value % because that's the majic # where folks with little to no money and little to no or bad credit can still relatively get a mortgage with hopes of flipping it. These people waste A lot of peples time for no reason and that is a food reason to be pissed off.

Another example is you build a full custom car done right with tons of cash outlayed on premium parts and hundreds if not thousands of man hours onto the project. So car is for sale for $100,000 an someone comes along trying to steal it for $75,000. I can definitely see getting pissed off at that as well.

I'm sure everyone can see the difference between these examples and a couple hundred dollar pool cue lol. I mean really tens and tens of thousands difference ( and or hundreds or even thousands man hours versus a stinkin $100 lolololol and what 10-20 hours??? ( Not sure exactly how long he has in each cue but not that much in sure!). Starting the thread was bad enough by itself, but subsequent responses makes him look SOOO BAD. I just wonder how much that $100 ( not even a hundred cause he didn't even make the sale ) is gonna cost him in $1000's in lost business because of the way he has conducted himself here. I am very glad though a couple people offered to step up to make it happen for the senior citizen though. Great Christmas spirit there!
 
I would like to thank every one for there offers to help and also there support. My pupil is going to buy a production cue and is all set. If you think this was bad how about my selling a real Balabushka for $55.00 in 1975. I hope every one has a healthy and happy New Year.
 
Seeing as how your prices are beyond reasonable for the great quality of your work, I'd take it as an insult; from your perspective.
You give allot of cue for what you ask.
I've always admired you for it.

$2000 for a Titlist conversion with one shaft is beyond reasonable? I have some cues to sell you. :cool:
 
After giving this some thought, and a few saying what a nice guy you were and you telling us what a nice guy you were with all hour volunteer work.

Instead of trying to take a 100 out of my pocket, why did you not take a 100 out of your pocket and help this guy get a cue?

Maybe if you had given this statement a little more thought, you wouldn't have come off looking like a f*ck head.
 
After giving this some thought, and a few saying what a nice guy you were and you telling us what a nice guy you were with all hour volunteer work.

Instead of trying to take a 100 out of my pocket, why did you not take a 100 out of your pocket and help this guy get a cue?[/QUOTE]


OP custom simple SP PJ cue builder 'pawn shop' owner - take your $400 cue in to his pawn shop and he will offer you a hundo take it or leave it.. PERIOD.

-Kat,
 
I think OP might have guaranteed he never gets a sale fro AZBilliards, ever again...

Short Bus Russ
 
I think OP might have guaranteed he never gets a sale fro AZBilliards, ever again...

Short Bus Russ
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I put in a call to Pawn Stars.

Chumly will chime in soon with an offer that can be truly defined as a lowball offer.




When contacted by Veterans, we should all do what we can for them.

When contacted by a 91 year old, again, do what you can.

When contacted by a volunteer, do what you can.



When contacted by that rare person who fills all three? Please don't run to the fantastic AZBilliards with disrespect.
 
I am different than most buyers. I do not like to haggle. When I bought my cue from the cue maker I said "what is your best price?" He told me and I bought it. If I want something I am willing to pay the price to buy it. It is worth the question, but in the end on a cheaper pool cue of $400 just pay the price and suck it up. Obviously he wants the cue or he wouldn't have negotiated. Maybe you just say I will meet you in the middle and you are both happy at $350? Just my 2 cents. Some people that negotiate real hard are the people you have to deal with time and time again and end up costing you money and headaches. Goodluck and I hope you can make some money on the cue you made!
 
You seem to be upset that someone is offering you $300 for a cue that you put up at $400. If you don't want to sell it at that price, either make a counter offer - or just say no. Maybe tell him that $375 is the lowest you can go given the time and material you have invested - but I wouldn't get all bent out of shape over him offering less than your asking price. If you sell items for any length of time - you become used to "offers". I just don't see that anything offensive has been done to you.
Too may people get offended for too many reasons and I don't understand it. If you're proud of the cue you built then hold firm on your asking price and that's fine. Reject any offer for less than what you're willing to accept and feel free to laugh at and delete without response offers you think are unreasonable. Getting angry accomplishes nothing and just shortens your lifespan.
 
I am different than most buyers. I do not like to haggle. When I bought my cue from the cue maker I said "what is your best price?" He told me and I bought it. If I want something I am willing to pay the price to buy it. It is worth the question, but in the end on a cheaper pool cue of $400 just pay the price and suck it up. Obviously he wants the cue or he wouldn't have negotiated. Maybe you just say I will meet you in the middle and you are both happy at $350? Just my 2 cents. Some people that negotiate real hard are the people you have to deal with time and time again and end up costing you money and headaches. Goodluck and I hope you can make some money on the cue you made!

Well I learned my lesson. Read the whole post before you comment. I read the first 3 pages. I must say I think sometimes you don't have to give your cues away, but I am sure at $300 you would still be making money and it would be a great business decision to help out a guy that was referred to you. I am in sales and if someone is sent to me by another customer of mine I am sure to give them as good of deal as I can. That sale could make you quite a few more more later on.
 
I paid exactly what Randy Mobley asked, when he asked, and am glad I did.
I can't imagine a deal could go any smoother or easier than buying that cue.
But that's what you get when dealing with a good guy instead of a pawn broker I guess.
 
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