Luat's twist back bank for the match
- Thread starter Donkey Puncher
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Great shots. It's interesting to note that on both of Cole's bank shots, contrary to popular belief, NO sidespin is needed to get the OB to "twist" back into the corner pocket (both Willie Jopling and Grady showed me those shots, and how to make them with no english). Cole can clearly be seen cueing up low on the vertical axis.
Scott Lee
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Scott Lee
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Many people don't believe in spin transferring using English. Mike Sigel is one of them
Spin transfer is real, no doubt. I was thinking the same thing Scott was, interesting how he made that with no english. Pretty sick shot!
Just want to point out that just because someone cues up one way, doesnt mean he's gonna hit the ball in the same spot he's cueing. That makes it real tough to tell what the guy is doing, or gonna do. All you can do is look at the cue ball, the cue ball never lies. (I dont mean for that shot, just in general for some players.)
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Actually the Cole shots are the "twist" banks, I just threw in the Luat shot, since it was a nice bank and it won the set.
Since this is one of my video's i uploaded.. just curious.. how did you stumble upon that? Searching for DCC or something?
Thanks for watching
When I lived in Germany I used to play a lot of last pocket 8 ball for decent amounts of money, up to $400 a game.
Some of the guys I played could not make three balls in a row but they could bank like gods. It was unreal.
One Italian fellow I played a lot with showed up at a trade show in Essen Germany and Jim Rempe was working the booth next to me. The Italian asked if I would introduce him to Jim because he wanted to see if Jim could make his bank shots.
I did and the Italian sets a up shot similar to what Luat shot and makes it first try.
Rempe sets it up and misses by a diamond, shoots again misses by half a diamond, tries several more times and never gets within a quarter diamond and he invites the Italian to shoot it again. The little Italian guy whacks it in again. Jim gives up.
It was hilarious. Poor Jim didn't know that this guy couldn't run five normal shots.
Thanks! I saw this shot a while back and got disconnected before I could copy it. I have been trying to find it for a couple of months.
What a nice shot.
What a nice shot.
the speed he made it with is what impressed me, just enough to get it to trickle in
The last bank is what I call a high angle cut back. I've done those,even from the location in the game.
The reason I use inside spin is to counter the spin put on the OB when the CB strikes it on the right side. Hitting the OB on the right side with the CB, puts right spin on the OB and that spin is not in the direction the OB needs to go.
Using inside spin and if done right, will actually put left spin on the OB and this helps it go in the direction needed.
The reason I use inside spin is to counter the spin put on the OB when the CB strikes it on the right side. Hitting the OB on the right side with the CB, puts right spin on the OB and that spin is not in the direction the OB needs to go.
Using inside spin and if done right, will actually put left spin on the OB and this helps it go in the direction needed.
Great shot
I remember that shot well.
My buddy and I were sitting table side for that match at Derby that year.
I was amazed by the shot. We both went home and practiced that bank.
If you try it several times you will find it is more simple than it looks. Still shocked that Luat even saw the shot.
I remember that shot well.
My buddy and I were sitting table side for that match at Derby that year.
I was amazed by the shot. We both went home and practiced that bank.
If you try it several times you will find it is more simple than it looks. Still shocked that Luat even saw the shot.
I actually just typed in Cole Dickson. I haven't ever seen him play, but living in the Northwest, I hear about him a lot.Actually the Cole shots are the "twist" banks, I just threw in the Luat shot, since it was a nice bank and it won the set.
Since this is one of my video's i uploaded.. just curious.. how did you stumble upon that? Searching for DCC or something?
Thanks for watching
I don't think so. That shot simply CANNOT be made with inside. His cueball kills on the second rail it hits, hence outside.
You are right about one thing, that hitting a ball on the right side transfers right spin to the OB. However, putting inside (in this case Left) cannot put left on the OB. Therefore, to make this shot MAXIMUM RIGHT handed spin is necessary.
Watch the cueball.
If he is hitting it with outside, or maximum outside english, the cueball would have gone wide and either directly hit the upper side rail, scratched, or gone to the top rail from the shot position.
Instead, it goes 1.5 diamonds past the side.
No way outside was used.
Cueball killed off the first rail.
Only way to kill it from the angle of the shot is with INSIDE.
If he is hitting it with outside, or maximum outside english, the cueball would have gone wide and either directly hit the upper side rail, scratched, or gone to the top rail from the shot position.
Instead, it goes 1.5 diamonds past the side.
No way outside was used.
Cueball killed off the first rail.
Only way to kill it from the angle of the shot is with INSIDE.
you can make the shot with center ball or a hale tip of english the best shot was last year when shannon daulton played scott frost in one pocket its on accu stats video was there last year when he made it had to cut it and get the cue ball out of the way should have seen scotts face when he made it
Donkey Puncher...This point of fact is this: those kind of twisting bank shots can be made with inside, outside or NO english. My point was that english is not necessary to make the OB twist backwards...which is a fact. You might be quite surprised by how little sidespin can actually be transferred from CB to OB (unless CB & OB are frozen together, or the OB is frozen to a rail)...and under what conditions it happens, and to what degree.
Scott Lee
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Scott Lee
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