Madden cues

cnc points or a pattern... Anything that uses duplicating methods is worth no more than a production cue to me. I'm sure his cues play nice and are well made, just not worth the price.

When I see rounded points the value of the cue drops quite a bit.

I would look for a cue maker that knives in points and makes full splice cues (don't know if john maddens are full), live tooling, raw materials, and the skill of a tradesman is what a high dollar cue should be, IMO... There is still cue makers out there that do it the "real" way. Look around before you buy. Most cue makers make the same product anyways. Although some people associate name recognition with the quality of the cue...

I am more of a hand crafted masterpiece consumer if the price is high. If the price is low, I expect production techniques.


Don't get me wrong about tools. I love em and have more wood working tools than one could imagine. I would love to have computerized tools to make furniture and projects. I just can't afford thm. I would never use them to make a cue I call "high end"
 
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RonsTheOne said:
Hey...does anyone have any opinions on john madden cues...maybe like this one http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=21257. Thanks in advance Ron
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I have a lower end Jack Madden and it plays excellent click here to see it. I wouldn't think twice about buying that cue on AZ it is a steal for the price and I have bought from JAZZ before and he is a excellent person to deal with. The only reason I didn't buy his cue is that I'm going to the EXPO and will most likely pick up a cue from John Madden.
 
CaptiveBred said:
cnc points or a pattern... Anything that uses duplicating methods is worth no more than a production cue to me. I'm sure his cues play nice and are well made, just not worth the price.

When I see rounded points the value of the cue drops quite a bit.
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Well if I may ask a Question do you buy a Cue Hit, or Playability, or Glitter Factor?

Think the cue in Question is a good Value for the money if someone wants a Cue for Playing...:rolleyes:
 
PoolSleuth said:
Well if I may ask a Question do you buy a Cue Hit, or Playability, or Glitter Factor?

Playability is all I care about. I like a good "hit" but I play the same with any kind of hit, within reason. Don't care too much about the looks. Of course, I don't want a pink cue lol

Think the cue in Question is a good Value for the money if someone wants a Cue for Playing...:rolleyes:
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All I'm saying is - cue makers who use duplicating techniques should charge accordingly. I see some cue makers charging more than $1000 because of inlays and points a computer cut in. Its not like they can't make an infinite quantity with that same program. I guess one offs can be worth it but the cuesmiths who charge $750 for a standard cnc 4 point are just putting in stock and running the same program over and over.


As far as the cue in question, the price is pretty fair for a "name brand". Although a nice production cue with an extra shaft can be had a bit cheaper and will play the same depending on your point of view...

I also looked at maddens site. looks like has does make sharp point cues as well. Looks like he does it the way I like when provoked :)
 
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Great cues

RonsTheOne said:
Hey...does anyone have any opinions on john madden cues...maybe like this one http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=21257. Thanks in advance Ron
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Jack made me a cue that was completed last month. Great hitting stick. Solid and not overly hard hitting. Good wood. Nice workmanship and attention to detail. Nice joint protectors as well- they are numbered and have the year on them. I was pleased with the whole deal. I believe that Jack is doing a lot of recuts so I am not so sure about the CNC comments. Jack is a good cuemaker who makes good cues for players- I think he has a bright future ahead.
 
gforces1911 said:
Jack made me a cue that was completed last month. Great hitting stick. Solid and not overly hard hitting. Good wood. Nice workmanship and attention to detail. Nice joint protectors as well- they are numbered and have the year on them. I was pleased with the whole deal. I believe that Jack is doing a lot of recuts so I am not so sure about the CNC comments. Jack is a good cuemaker who makes good cues for players- I think he has a bright future ahead.
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I'm a bit prejudiced as Jack grew up in this part of the country so I want to see him do well. He is a great player and that HAS TO HELP him build cues that play well. Relative to the price of his cues now as compared to the upside as the years go by - I really do believe that his cues are a great investment
 
Jack is doing some wonderful work with RECUT Points, but he is capable of making a Customers Concept come to life.

I sent him an idea, detailed drawing, and it was complete per my idea.

A photo = 1000 Words...

Also must not forget Bev his wife that does did the Moose Antler Inlays. Plus Ginnis & Toby Jack's Private 24 x 7 x 365 SHOP SECURITY FORCE :D
 

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I'm with CaptiveBred about the rounded points. I'm sure Madden makes a great cue, but if the cue has points they better be sharp or I don't really look at it. It is an esthetic thing I suppose. That cue is probably a good player and for $400 is not a bad price. Even has a couple of inlays in the butt....

Regards,

Doug
 
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PoolSleuth said:
Jack is doing some wonderful work with RECUT Points, but he is capable of making a Customers Concept come to life.

I sent him an idea, detailed drawing, and it was complete per my idea.

A photo = 1000 Words...

Also must not forget Bev his wife that does did the Moose Antler Inlays. Plus Ginnis & Toby Jack's Private 24 x 7 x 365 SHOP SECURITY FORCE :D
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Crazyman,I think your nickname says it!!
Terry O.:cool:
 
SirBanksALot said:
I'm a bit prejudiced as Jack grew up in this part of the country so I want to see him do well. He is a great player and that HAS TO HELP him build cues that play well. Relative to the price of his cues now as compared to the upside as the years go by - I really do believe that his cues are a great investment
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SirBanksALot...Actually Jack "grew up" here in MT. He moved to Arizona as an adult, began his cuemaking venture there. After living in AZ for the past 20+ yrs, he retired to his land in MT, that he had always owned, and built a beautiful home, and a great shop. You're right about him being a great player, a great cuemaker, and a great guy!

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
 
CaptiveBred said:
cnc points or a pattern... Anything that uses duplicating methods is worth no more than a production cue to me. I'm sure his cues play nice and are well made, just not worth the price.

When I see rounded points the value of the cue drops quite a bit.

I am more of a hand crafted masterpiece consumer if the price is high. If the price is low, I expect production techniques.
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CaptiveBred...Gee, I guess you'd call cues by Samsara, Joey Gold (Cognoscenti) and Thomas Wayne junk, because they are all unbelievable 'rounded' designs! CNC has no bearing on how a cue plays, and has made incredibly intricate designs possible. Cognoscenti and Samsara are among the highest valued, most desired, and best playing cues available. You're certainly entitled to your opinion, but imo, you haven't got a clue,
when it comes to what makes a cue beautiful and functional...let alone a masterpiece of woodworking. What you don't seem to understand is what it takes to put intricate designs together. The CNC may cut them out, but putting it together is quite difficult. jmo

Scott Lee
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Simmer down, Scott. :) I never said anything was junk. I think I mention positive things about the playability. I think I even made it clear play is more important to me.

I understand fully. I've been a wood worker all my life. I know the advent of computer driven tools changed the world of tooling for the easier. Thats my point, if it is easier, it should cost less.

I just think cnc is the easy way and takes LESS skill to be a good cue maker.

Look at the metal workers cutting designs with flojets???? Some people think they are artists but if you ever seen how that tool works, a monkey could do it.

BTW, putting an intricate design into wood is quite simple using computers. How hard is it to secure a piece of wood and push a button :) I am fluent in a few programming languages so I may see a side of it you don't. But trust me, its not that hard to tell a tool to move here then move there a few times from a keyboard.

I think its sad that the standard for points has become rounded. I always liked em sharp...


I do agree putting it all together, no matter how it was cut, takes some attention to detail and patience. That in itself, must be difficult...
 
Just a Little Crazy

trainer said:
Crazyman,I think your nickname says it!!
Terry O.:cool:
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Well tis better to be a Little Crazy, and not Boring;)



FYI there are 2 of Jack Q's For Sale on the New 2 U's Site that both have REAL SHARP RECUTT POINTS

Believe Jack also is doing multiple recutts to create a really Clean looking Veneer Type separation without all the Glue lines. :D












Also the Value of the Cue for Sale has been set, as it is apparently S O L D
 
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QUOTE CaptiveBread "I understand fully. I've been a wood worker all my life. I know the advent of computer driven tools changed the world of tooling for the easier. Thats my point, if it is easier, it should cost less."

"I just think cnc is the easy way and takes LESS skill to be a good cue maker."



http://www.arnotq.com/pages/630/630.html
 
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Rodney said:
QUOTE CaptiveBread "I understand fully. I've been a wood worker all my life. I know the advent of computer driven tools changed the world of tooling for the easier. Thats my point, if it is easier, it should cost less."

"I just think cnc is the easy way and takes LESS skill to be a good cue maker."
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Tell that to Ernie @ Gina, and McWorther, so I could buy one of EACH for the price of a Lucasi...:rolleyes:

Just Kidding....:D
 
Rodney said:
QUOTE CaptiveBread "I understand fully. I've been a wood worker all my life. I know the advent of computer driven tools changed the world of tooling for the easier. Thats my point, if it is easier, it should cost less."

"I just think cnc is the easy way and takes LESS skill to be a good cue maker."



http://www.arnotq.com/pages/630/630.html
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That is already the case.
CNC'd cues are cheap these days.
Except those cnc'd cues that really look pretty.
Reputed great-hitting cues are not.
No points/inlays cues from reputed makers cost more than other much fancier cnc'd cues.
 
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