made in china

won't belabor the issue about 'labeling' items coming to the usa...I deal with a Taiwanese vendor and I know what must be put on goods coming from there to the USA.....there are a crowd of 'chinese' cue sites (your browser has to support a chinese translator to view most of them),,,they are all on the island of Taiwan...
www.adam-japan.com is a good site also (I don't buy from them so I gave you their web i.d.) your browser has to support a japanese translator to know what's what, but it's easier to follow and figure out than the taiwanese sites...happy viewing !
 
A.) Depending on the item, Japanese products are often considered superior to American ones: think Sony, and well, Moori tips

B.) Lucasis are made in China, as in the People's Republic of...

C.) China ("red" China) is only officially a communist country; since Deng's reformist platform 25+ years ago China's economy has become more capitalistic than ours. So a cuemaker can makes cues in China and ship them worldwide if he chooses to (I don't know of any cuemakers in China).

-Roger
 
Jude Rosenstock said:
I own a Lucasi break/jump cue and think it's great, especially for the money. IMO, there's nothing wrong with getting a cue that's made outside the US, especially when you consider that Efren Reyes, Jose Parica and Francisco Bustamante were all Made In The Philippines. We play an international sport. It's no surprise to me that solid products are going to surface all over the world. If you're going to let politics dictate what you carry in your case, that's your prerogative and I have a lot of respect for that but that just isn't me.

Those countries have no resources except labor. The products are as good or as bad as the customer wants and it is usually reflected in the price. Buy a Gold star piece of crap or a top of the line JVC they may have come from the same factory. The big problem with wood products is things like glue, it all has to be sent over there. If you want good products you need to supply the factory with everything down to the last piece.
 
buddha162 said:
A.) Depending on the item, Japanese products are often considered superior to American ones: think Sony, and well, Moori tips

B.) Lucasis are made in China, as in the People's Republic of...

C.) China ("red" China) is only officially a communist country; since Deng's reformist platform 25+ years ago China's economy has become more capitalistic than ours. So a cuemaker can makes cues in China and ship them worldwide if he chooses to (I don't know of any cuemakers in China).

-Roger


There has been significant liberalization of their economic policy since the 1970's but China is still a socialist country and no, not nearly as capitalistic as the United States. In fact, you look at China historically (I mean over 4,000 years) and you can argue they were the first socialist nation. If China were truly this capitalistic, Hong Kong's transition would have gone unnoticed.

On the other hand, the United States isn't terribly capitalist either with its social programs, much of which were created during FDR's New Deal program. Social Security, Unemployment, Public Education are all social programs that currently exist. Some argue that eventually, the social state will be expanded to include national healthcare and a more complete educational funding program.

However, there maintains a rather strong centralized government both politically and economically. Many of their economic changes have been made to avoid the problems that beset their Soviet counterparts but rest assured, this is still a socialist government with a capitalist program rather than a capitalist government with a socialist program. Also, with the Cultural Revolution still in recent memory, I seriously doubt we'll be seeing anything significant in terms of individual art. You can argue that in recent times, we have moved more toward a socialist country and China more toward a capitalist one but the two camps remain the same.
 
hondo said:
I recently bought a Lucasi and was disappointed to see
made in China on it. What other name cues are made in
China and what do you guys think of Lucasi? I haven't
shot with it yet. Certainly is pretty.

Just to answer your question, Lucasi cues are among the higher quality imports, utilizing real inlays and quality components. They were conceived of by Jim Lucas (hence the name "Lucasi"), a distributor of cue, cases, and accessories. I think they've been around for 10 years or so and from what I can tell are a very successful line of production cues with an emphasis on value and quality.

Chris
 
Hello Jude,

What you described is a China-at-a-glance standard often employed by people with no first-hand knowledge. China's political system is undoubtedly totalitarian, but their economy is decidedly capitalistic and free-market based. My reference to them being "more capitalistic" than the United States is really based on the lack of regulation in their markets, and for businesses in general.

The effort to erase the legacy of the Cultural Revolution started the day it ended, and the effort was heroic; 3 years ago the party formally denounced it as a mistake, a dark period in Chinese history (w/o denouncing the man behind it--mao--which is often how things are done in Confucian societies). To say that its shadow prevents significant outpouring of individual art today, even 15 years ago, is ludicrous. Again I think this reflects a theorist's view of China, without having any relevant personal experience. Now, if said art is anti-party or anti-state, it will probably be crushed. Woe to the maker of the R.O.C. cue!

China has many, many problems, but there is absolutely nothing preventing a cuemaker from setting up shop in Yunan and selling cues worldwide.

-Roger
 
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I'm not a cue maker, repair man or sales rep. I used to work in a ph and sold cues that the owner had on display. Most of the cues were junk, no better than firewood (no names mentioned) as far as I was concerned. I would rub my fingers along the joint, points and inlays (if there were any) or rings and if I felt any ridges or rough areas, that told me that the workmanship was inferior. The ph owner did sell some Pechauers too and I would compare those with the junk he had and let the customer feel the difference. The customers would usually wait until they could save the money to buy the Pechauers instead of opting for the cheaper junk.
 
Jude Rosenstock said:
If China were truly this capitalistic, Hong Kong's transition would have gone unnoticed.

Sorry to add this, but...

The rough HK transition centered around political differences, not economic ones. Beijing is trying to curb political dissent on the island without embarrassing itself internationally, and they are unused to this level of delicate diplomacy in general. Private ownership was never in contention.

One very important point to keep in mind is the great divide between the countryside and the major cities, in the political and to some extent economical context.

-Roger
 
General Tso's Chicken

That's the only thing I like about China. I have a 27 yr. old Chinese young man working for me right now. He has told me about home life. Fined $6,000 if you have more than one kid. Only making $5 a day for 12 hrs of work. Leaving new borns on the cold streets because if you take it home and get caught with it, fined again. It cost him $60,000 to get here. Worked like a slave to pay it back. If he goes home, jail and fine. Most of the population are poor. I wouldn't buy a Chinese product for all the tea in _______. Screwed up country and screwed up government. You want to know what China is like, ask my friend Danny here.
Purdman :cool:
 
All I've dealt with in years of teaching and working in the private sector HAVE been hard working and intelligent,,,unfortunately this is not the norm,,,very few "make" it to the shores of the USA,,please read the news about smuggling people into the USA and how many die because of dishonest smugglers (after all, smuggling is dishonest in its own right), a lot of the ones we see in those "good" jobs in the USA got here by going to colleges and universities in the USA,,,after graduation they can get immediate citizenship to our country,,,then they can get others of their family here $$....those are the lucky ones (less than 1% of the population of China,,, conservatively)
 
hondo said:
I recently bought a Lucasi and was disappointed to see
made in China on it. What other name cues are made in
China and what do you guys think of Lucasi? I haven't
shot with it yet. Certainly is pretty.

If you like the way it plays, who cares where it was made?

-djb
 
The majority (if not all) the cues made in China are from companies owned by Taiwanese. Pool is not that big in China, so I doubt there is any custom cuemakers in China. I've mixed feelings about Lucasis. I've had 3 of them. The j/b cue is great, especially with a phenolic tip. The other types of cues might have some suspect building techniques. For example, I had a lucasi that was suppose to have a ebony buttsleeve. One day I accidentally dinged the buttsleeve rather heavily. To my surprise, the buttsleeve "ebony" was just a decal and the inlays are also just decals. I don't know if that's the case with the rest of their products. The 3rd lucasi cue was not bad, solidly built and very good for the price I paid for it.
 
Donald A. Purdy said:
That's the only thing I like about China. I have a 27 yr. old Chinese young man working for me right now. He has told me about home life. Fined $6,000 if you have more than one kid. Only making $5 a day for 12 hrs of work. Leaving new borns on the cold streets because if you take it home and get caught with it, fined again. It cost him $60,000 to get here. Worked like a slave to pay it back. If he goes home, jail and fine. Most of the population are poor. I wouldn't buy a Chinese product for all the tea in _______. Screwed up country and screwed up government. You want to know what China is like, ask my friend Danny here.
Purdman :cool:

You base your view on an entire country on one man's account?

What if some inbred redneck escapes Alabama and tells his harrowing tale of life in America to some Swede? They will probably be mortified. Oh right, they already are mortified by America.

There are two uncontroversial points you need to understand about the One Child Policy: 1.) it causes tremendous personal grief and tragedy in isolated instances, and 2.) without the policy in place China would have imploded decades ago. The most immediate consequence of the policy (esp in rural areas) is female infanticide. This has been addressed vigorously in the last 10 years, but there is a long way to go.

In any case, I hope you realize that there are multiple facets to every country. Your story of America will dramatically differ from someone else's, perhaps a gay man in the bible belt or a black man from Harlem.

Take a trip to Shanghai if you ever get the chance, you will see one of the richest cities in the world.

-Roger (and btw, General Tsao's Chicken is an American concoction, along with Pu Pu Platter and MooGooGaiPan...There was never a General Tsao, and if there was no one named a dish after him.)
 
Debra Li said:
Some of my relatives were made in China, some in Japan, and they are all of the highest quality. :D :D

Relatives are always of highest quality ! Or at least that's what you want them to be... :)
 
mjantti said:
Relatives are always of highest quality ! Or at least that's what you want them to be... :)

That explains why some people here seem to think they are better than the Chinese... :confused:
 
and btw, General Tsao's Chicken is an American concoction, along with Pu Pu Platter and MooGooGaiPan...There was never a General Tsao, and if there was no one named a dish after him.

:D :D :D

What is this general whatever chicken taste like? I asked many of my Chinese friends from Hong Kong, Taiwan, and China, and none of them even knew what I was talking about...is it sweet, spicy, sour,...? So, it is actually an America food, isn't it? ;)

It makes me wonder how much does a person know about the Chinese culture if the only thing he likes about that culture is not even part of that culture? :confused:

I know I would not be here insulting an ethnic group if I do not know the least bit about it. Doing so will just make myself look ignorant and stupid.

I would be embarassed.
 
buddha162 said:
You base your view on an entire country on one man's account?

What if some inbred redneck escapes Alabama and tells his harrowing tale of life in America to some Swede? They will probably be mortified. Oh right, they already are mortified by America.

There are two uncontroversial points you need to understand about the One Child Policy: 1.) it causes tremendous personal grief and tragedy in isolated instances, and 2.) without the policy in place China would have imploded decades ago. The most immediate consequence of the policy (esp in rural areas) is female infanticide. This has been addressed vigorously in the last 10 years, but there is a long way to go.

In any case, I hope you realize that there are multiple facets to every country. Your story of America will dramatically differ from someone else's, perhaps a gay man in the bible belt or a black man from Harlem.

Take a trip to Shanghai if you ever get the chance, you will see one of the richest cities in the world.

-Roger (and btw, General Tsao's Chicken is an American concoction, along with Pu Pu Platter and MooGooGaiPan...There was never a General Tsao, and if there was no one named a dish after him.)

Buddha, the chicken thing was a joke. I know there are wealthy cities in China. Does that justify the human rights abuses and the poverty that most of the Chinese enjoy. For your information, Danny is educated and a very hard worker. You like communist China, go live there. Maybe you can take advantage of the poverty stricken millions and become one of the 2% that have enough to eat.
Don
 
Purdman, about the government, they are not only used to it, they are comfortable with it. Like any place you go, if you don't like it, you can leave. They're not held there at gun point. I completely understand what you're saying. Sometimes it's not easy to READ the sarcasm in someone's font. Now that it's all cleared up...no harm no fowl(chicken!)! But we were talking about the cues. Someone had one that was all decal and nothing like the description? That sounds like BAD BUSINESS. Does anyone know if all of them are like that?
 
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buddha162 said:
You base your view on an entire country on one man's account?

What if some inbred redneck escapes Alabama and tells his harrowing tale of life in America to some Swede? They will probably be mortified. Oh right, they already are mortified by America.

There are two uncontroversial points you need to understand about the One Child Policy: 1.) it causes tremendous personal grief and tragedy in isolated instances, and 2.) without the policy in place China would have imploded decades ago. The most immediate consequence of the policy (esp in rural areas) is female infanticide. This has been addressed vigorously in the last 10 years, but there is a long way to go.

In any case, I hope you realize that there are multiple facets to every country. Your story of America will dramatically differ from someone else's, perhaps a gay man in the bible belt or a black man from Harlem.

Take a trip to Shanghai if you ever get the chance, you will see one of the richest cities in the world.

-Roger (and btw, General Tsao's Chicken is an American concoction, along with Pu Pu Platter and MooGooGaiPan...There was never a General Tsao, and if there was no one named a dish after him.)

I spent 2 1/2 years in mainland China, in the early 1990's. I spent time in many different places from one end of the country to the other. I saw firsthand the things that are being discussed in this thread.

As far as the capitalistic trend, it all began because the ruling party began to realize that the socialist system that was in place could not support itself without trade with the outside world. The demise of the Soviet Union played a big part in this realization. They began to allow capitalist ventures in certain designated areas of the country. Shenzhen was one of them. These areas were called SEZ's (Special Economic Zones). Conducting international business outside of these zones and by businesses not sanctioned by the government was illegal for the most part, but there were some exceptions. It has always been legal in China to own a business and do business domestically within China. Taxes were very high for these businesses, but that's a different story. The government intended to keep the International capitalistic trade restricted to the SEZ's and santioned companies (which were nearly all joint ventures that the government had their fingers in one way or another), but they have essentially lost control of it. Now capitalism is rampant in all of the big cities. The Chinese have proven to be very astute businesspeople.

The one child per family mandate is a reality in the cities and larger villages. In many of the poorer, more remote farming areas, they are allowed two children. One of the things about the Chinese culture is that it is very important to have a boy. This has, in fact, resulted in female infanticide in some of the smaller villages, and has in some cases resulted in populations that are 75% male. As stated earlier, this has been aggressively addressed, but remains a problem. They way this was enforced is sort of complicated. Every Chinese person is assigned a Houkou when they are born. This is how the government tracks and controls it's population. It's sort of like a national ID system, where your ID is tied to a certain place. The government decides where you will go to school, what you will study, and where you will work. It is always a job working for the government. When you reach college age, if the government needs civil engineers, that's what they send you to school for and that's the job they assign you. It is not uncommon for a couple to marry just out of college, then be sent to different places for years. The wages are very low, in most cases thet equivalent of about $40.00 U.S. per month. The government offsets that by providing housing and subsidizing food and clothing. The houkou card you carry is what gets these subsidies for you, but you only get them if you are performing in the capacity the government has assigned you. You are free to pursue another career if you wish, but you lose the subsidies and housing and you are required to reimburse the government for your education. Travel from one province to another is restricted and can be difficult. They do this to prevent large influxes of people to the cities from the countryside.

Now the big cities such as Beijing, Shanghai, Guangzhou, etc. are highly capitalistic and getting more so every day. For the first time in decades, there are economic classes of people much like in the U.S. There is actually an upper class, middle class, and lower class. There has been an upper class and lower class since 1949 when Mao took control, but the upper class was all Government officials (high ranking Party members) and the lower class was everybody else. China is changing and there is very little the government can do now to stop that.
 
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