made in china

nipponbilliards said:
and btw, General Tsao's Chicken is an American concoction, along with Pu Pu Platter and MooGooGaiPan...There was never a General Tsao, and if there was no one named a dish after him.

:D :D :D

What is this general whatever chicken taste like? I asked many of my Chinese friends from Hong Kong, Taiwan, and China, and none of them even knew what I was talking about...is it sweet, spicy, sour,...? So, it is actually an America food, isn't it? ;)

It makes me wonder how much does a person know about the Chinese culture if the only thing he likes about that culture is not even part of that culture? :confused:

I know I would not be here insulting an ethnic group if I do not know the least bit about it. Doing so will just make myself look ignorant and stupid.

I would be embarassed.

How do you get "insulting an ethnic group" out of comments about the government and it's policies? Don't put your words into my mouth. I am not embarassed about a dam thing except Americans who go over there and exploit the poverty stricken people of China. You are probably one of them.
Ignorant and stupid, geeze thanks for the compliment. You should know.
Don
 
nipponbilliards said:
and btw, General Tsao's Chicken is an American concoction, along with Pu Pu Platter and MooGooGaiPan...There was never a General Tsao, and if there was no one named a dish after him.

:D :D :D

What is this general whatever chicken taste like? I asked many of my Chinese friends from Hong Kong, Taiwan, and China, and none of them even knew what I was talking about...is it sweet, spicy, sour,...? So, it is actually an America food, isn't it? ;)

It makes me wonder how much does a person know about the Chinese culture if the only thing he likes about that culture is not even part of that culture? :confused:

I know I would not be here insulting an ethnic group if I do not know the least bit about it. Doing so will just make myself look ignorant and stupid.

I would be embarassed.

You are absolutely correct on all counts. Americanized "Chinese" food doesn't even resemble the real thing in most cases. Also, there isn't a fortune cookie that I'm aware of in the whole country of China....unless it was imported from the U.S.
 
GeraldG said:
I spent 2 1/2 years in mainland China, in the early 1990's. I spent time in many different places from one end of the country to the other. I saw firsthand the things that are being discussed in this thread.

As far as the capitalistic trend, it all began because the ruling party began to realize that the socialist system that was in place could not support itself without trade with the outside world. The demise of the Soviet Union played a big part in this realization. They began to allow capitalist ventures in certain designated areas of the country. Shenzhen was one of them. These areas were called SEZ's (Special Economic Zones). Conducting international business outside of these zones and by businesses not sanctioned by the government was illegal for the most part, but there were some exceptions. It has always been legal in China to own a business and do business domestically within China. Taxes were very high for these businesses, but that's a different story. The government intended to keep the International capitalistic trade restricted to the SEZ's and santioned companies (which were nearly all joint ventures that the government had their fingers in one way or another), but they have essentially lost control of it. Now capitalism is rampant in all of the big cities. The Chinese have proven to be very astute businesspeople.

The one child per family mandate is a reality in the cities and larger villages. In many of the poorer, more remote farming areas, they are allowed two children. One of the things about the Chinese culture is that it is very important to have a boy. This has, in fact, resulted in female infanticide in some of the smaller villages, and has in some cases resulted in populations that are 75% male. As stated earlier, this has been aggressively addressed, but remains a problem. They way this was enforced is sort of complicated. Every Chinese person is assigned a Houkou when they are born. This is how the government tracks and controls it's population. It's sort of like a national ID system, where your ID is tied to a certain place. The government decides where you will go to school, what you will study, and where you will work. It is always a job working for the government. When you reach college age, if the government needs civil engineers, that's what they send you to school for and that's the job they assign you. It is not uncommon for a couple to marry just out of college, then be sent to different places for years. The wages are very low, in most cases thet equivalent of about $40.00 U.S. per month. The government offsets that by providing housing and subsidizing food and clothing. The houkou card you carry is what gets these subsidies for you, but you only get them if you are performing in the capacity the government has assigned you. You are free to pursue another career if you wish, but you lose the subsidies and housing and you are required to reimburse the government for your education. Travel from one province to another is restricted and can be difficult. They do this to prevent large influxes of people to the cities from the countryside.

Now the big cities such as Beijing, Shanghai, Guangzhou, etc. are highly capitalistic and getting more so every day. For the first time in decades, there are economic classes of people much like in the U.S. There is actually an upper class, middle class, and lower class. There has been an upper class and lower class since 1949 when Mao took control, but the upper class was all Government officials (high ranking Party members) and the lower class was everybody else. China is changing and there is very little the government can do now to stop that.

Thank you GeraldG.
Don
 
Zims Rack said:
... About 95% of what is on/in your desk is NOT made in the USA, but overseas. Some good things are made overseas, some are not! Instroke and Moori are two prime examples in our industry.

Zim

Which wouldn't bother me so much if the workers in China, India, etc. weren't be racked over the coals. I don't mind the concept of Americans losing some jobs overseas, I do mind the fact that most of that money saved thereby is going to fatcats either here or overseas. The may make fine (or at least good enough) products overseas, but it cause money to flow upstream away from the working class (worldwide) who need it most. Sure the working class takes a step up overseas, but not nearly as big a step as the working class in this country takes down.
Steve. <= Would believe in socialism, but people are too lazy for that to work; would believe in capitalism, but people are too greedy for that to work.
 
buddha162 said:
Take a trip to Shanghai if you ever get the chance, you will see one of the richest cities in the world.

-Roger (and btw, General Tsao's Chicken is an American concoction, along with Pu Pu Platter and MooGooGaiPan...There was never a General Tsao, and if there was no one named a dish after him.)

Roger,

I have to agree with you about Shanghai, it's a beautiful city that you wouldn't think to be in a communist country. Personally, I liked Bejing even more than Shanghai, it has a wonderful mix of both western amenities and traditional chinese culture. I was awed walking through Tiananmen Square seeing the huge painting of Mao and thinking back to the CNN broadcasts from there, then being able to sit down for dinner at a 4 star French restaurant where everyone spoke English, it was like being in a completely different country 8 blocks away. It's an amazing country and I hope to vist there again in the future.

All countries/regions have major issues and change over time, the cycles of change are just not in synch for the entire world.

jaz
 
catscradle said:
Which wouldn't bother me so much if the workers in China, India, etc. weren't be racked over the coals. I don't mind the concept of Americans losing some jobs overseas, I do mind the fact that most of that money saved thereby is going to fatcats either here or overseas. The may make fine (or at least good enough) products overseas, but it cause money to flow upstream away from the working class (worldwide) who need it most. Sure the working class takes a step up overseas, but not nearly as big a step as the working class in this country takes down.
Steve. <= Would believe in socialism, but people are too lazy for that to work; would believe in capitalism, but people are too greedy for that to work.

Steve,
In the case of the Chinese people, this is not necessarily accurate. The economic step up that is provided by these jobs for the average Chinese worker is huge. It allows some of them to purchase things like automobiles, which in their assigned houkou position would be impossible. The main form of transpotation for the masses in China is still the bicycle (Flying Pigeon brand, to be exact). At approximately 40 dollars per month salary, the purchase of a bicycle represents almost 2 months' wages. With the private job, that same worker might be able to purchase that same bicycle with a week's wages or less.
 
buddha162 said:
You base your view on an entire country on one man's account?

What if some inbred redneck escapes Alabama and tells his harrowing tale of life in America to some Swede? They will probably be mortified. Oh right, they already are mortified by America.

-Roger (and btw, General Tsao's Chicken is an American concoction, along with Pu Pu Platter and MooGooGaiPan...There was never a General Tsao, and if there was no one named a dish after him.)


Buddha,

Weeell yankee boy just what do you mean...you got something against the south? The bible belt? Alabama? :confused: By the way I LOVED my SWEDISH-American grandmothers "American Chop Suey". :D ( Confucious say Buddha need remove head from a** and go be psuedo commie-socialist in China,not here.) :rolleyes: :eek:


Terry <(Scotch-Irish-SWEDISH-Norwegian southerner who ain't inbred,PROUD to be an American capitalist, LIKES asians, HATES f**king commies and socialist a**wipes.)

PS- If the cue has a good flat joint, good tip,comfortable taper and "PLAYS WELL" it doesn't really matter where it was made. ( just bought a "Made in America" Mcdermott).
 
Jude Rosenstock said:
Yo mo gao cho!

This argument has gone beyond ridiculous.

Ni shuo zhongwen, wo ting, bu dong. Ni shuo shenme? Ruguo ni bu xihuan, bie kandong le. :)

I don't know about ridiculous...a little off topic, maybe....usually if I find something ridiculous or too far off topic, I just stop reading it.
 
Living in Shanghai in the mid 90's I found a beautiful snooker table (6x12) on the second floor of the Sheraton. No one ever played on it. I would play on it every evening and the hotel would send these young guys around to play with me. None of them were very good and it seems that they were more interested in practicing their English (and I dont mean the pool kind). Try teaching them "liability" or "golf". But since Shanghai was populated by a lot of Euro's during the early part of the 20th Century there probably are a lot of antique billiard stuff just waiting to be brought out of the closet. I got some great timepieces while I was there made in the post WWI era.
 
GeraldG said:
You are absolutely correct on all counts. Americanized "Chinese" food doesn't even resemble the real thing in most cases. Also, there isn't a fortune cookie that I'm aware of in the whole country of China....unless it was imported from the U.S.

Yes, that is right. I think now they provide that in some dinners which serve mostly foreigners (Europeans, Americans, Canadians, Japanese...) in China and Hong Kong--but I am sure they are, like you said, import fortune cookies from either Canada or the US.
 
Donald A. Purdy said:
How do you get "insulting an ethnic group" out of comments about the government and it's policies? Don't put your words into my mouth. I am not embarassed about a dam thing except Americans who go over there and exploit the poverty stricken people of China. You are probably one of them.
Ignorant and stupid, geeze thanks for the compliment. You should know.


Don

With all due respect, Donald, you should have read my post carefully before trying to attack me without the proper facts. I never said you were insulting anything or anyone. It is not me who is putting words into another person's mouth. My post was not even addressed to you.

I never call you ignorant and stupid, you somehow identified with that "stupid and ignorant" comment I made in my post, which was actually about how I would feel if I were to insult an ethnic group without any porper knowledge and facts.

It is very subjective as to whether something you said is insulting, here is your post. Let's read it again.

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General Tso's Chicken

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That's the only thing I like about China. I have a 27 yr. old Chinese young man working for me right now. He has told me about home life. Fined $6,000 if you have more than one kid. Only making $5 a day for 12 hrs of work. Leaving new borns on the cold streets because if you take it home and get caught with it, fined again. It cost him $60,000 to get here. Worked like a slave to pay it back. If he goes home, jail and fine. Most of the population are poor. I wouldn't buy a Chinese product for all the tea in _______. Screwed up country and screwed up government. You want to know what China is like, ask my friend Danny here.
Purdman
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The above quoted comment is not about the policies and government, it is a false and extremely negative depiction of life in China based on biased and out-dated information presented in an illogical manner with unfounded data. And it is implying to all the readers that the existance of each and every Chinese in China means nothing to the speaker more than what this general whatever chicken is worth to him.

How would you feel if I say to you that I hate everything in the US except the burger; none of you is worth more to me than a $2 burger; the US is nothing but a screwed up country. Would you call that a regular comment on policies and government? Or would you call that an insult to you, and your country?

Richard
 
nipponbilliards said:
How would you feel if I say to you that I hate everything in the US except the burger; none of you is worth more to me than a $2 burger; the US is nothing but a screwed up country. Would you call that a regular comment on policies and government? Or would you call that an insult to you, and your country?

Well, at least in this country, you CAN say that. :p

Speak out against the policies and government in China?
You get THIS .

Just making a point, it really has nothing to do with what you two are B*tching about, i just felt the need to post something after 1:30 in the morning...
 
Donald A. Purdy said:
That's the only thing I like about China. I have a 27 yr. old Chinese young man working for me right now. He has told me about home life. Fined $6,000 if you have more than one kid. Only making $5 a day for 12 hrs of work. Leaving new borns on the cold streets because if you take it home and get caught with it, fined again. It cost him $60,000 to get here. Worked like a slave to pay it back. If he goes home, jail and fine. Most of the population are poor. I wouldn't buy a Chinese product for all the tea in _______. Screwed up country and screwed up government. You want to know what China is like, ask my friend Danny here.
Purdman :cool:

You have no idea what you are talking about man...This guy Danny is probably not legit to work. Are you hiring illegal labor? Legit Chinese can go back to China any time.

I was born and raised in China. I am living in LA now. I went to China for Chinese new year last month. I just come back. No jail, no fine, no nothing. Did not see no baby on cold street either.

You do not know what China is like now. It is not like most people are poor and only 2% have food. Big cities in China is more beautiful than most cities I have visited here. Lots of BMW and Benz in China now. We do not make $5 a day anymore. That is only for the very poor and uneducated people in the villages, even they make more than that these days.

You hate Chinese product? why don't you wrack your computer now. We Chinese made that CPU, man. We made all the cell phones for Japan and the US, you should throw your phone away now. What about your TV, your DVD player...

Microsoft also hire programmers in China cos these are smart and hard working people, man, not some guy like you who don't know what he is talking about.

If you don't know what you are talking about, why don't you find out before you speak? You are talking like a fool, man. Only fools will think he knows what a country with 10 billion people live like after talking to one 27 years old illegal immigrant Danny.

We Chinese read your post and we laugh, we laugh at how stupid you are. You make America shameful, man.

You try to say we are poor? I bought two houses when I moved to LA, my realtor was shocked. I am richer than most of the people here. What do you own? How dare you judging us and calling us poor, you are a racist, and a very stupid one. I bet you never set foot in Asia.

Narrow minded people like you make Americans look bad. Think about it.
 
BiG_JoN said:
Well, at least in this country, you CAN say that. :p

Speak out against the policies and government in China?
You get THIS .

Just making a point, it really has nothing to do with what you two are B*tching about, i just felt the need to post something after 1:30 in the morning...

If you say what this Donald say here in China...u be Ok man, don't worry, realy, no one will come and kill you...cos you will be taken as just a moron, a foreign moron is even more entertaining than a local one cos we don't see that everyday...may be they will put Donald in a circuit and let him talk his BS, make everyone laugh...

Anyway, what is your point? This ain't about that man!

It is about some BS insult this Donald Duck guy posted but he called it comments on govenment...even I can read with my Chinese accent and little eye man... And he is flat wrong. There are more than many people here who has a beef with him man...you are missing the point.

No one is talking about freedom of sppech. We are talking baout is China really that bad, is it Ok to insult all the chinese cos it is USA...People are trying to explain the the poepl here what China is really like, it is getting better, much better. You guys do not know, so we try to tell you...don't switch the topic all the time.
 
hondo said:
I recently bought a Lucasi and was disappointed to see
made in China on it. What other name cues are made in
China and what do you guys think of Lucasi? I haven't
shot with it yet. Certainly is pretty.

Why are you disappointed? You have a problem with we Chinese making your cue? What! you think we are not smart or something? Both Allison and Earl win them championships with a cue made by Chinese. Are you better than them?
 
Donald A. Purdy said:
You like communist China, go live there. Maybe you can take advantage of the poverty stricken millions and become one of the 2% that have enough to eat.

You know, I almost wasted time and energy responding to your post...

Usually I don't delve into personal attacks on these forums, but you're an idiot. Like a typical American jackass, you have strong opinions w/o any real knowledge to back them up. As an American, I am embarrassed by your speaking forth from the ass.

-Roger (Chinese American and won't comment on the state of Brazil, even if informed by a Brazilian immigrant his country is hell itself)
 
jaz said:
Personally, I liked Bejing even more than Shanghai, it has a wonderful mix of both western amenities and traditional chinese culture.

When were you in Shanghai? I tend to think of Beijing as the traditional cultural center of China, whereas Shanghai is the city moving forward, or westward if you regard those two as the same thing.

I equate Beijing to D.C., and Shanghai to NYC. I love the monuments/museums in D.C. but Manhattan is the place to be if you want to have healthy metropolitan fun!

-Roger
 
One quick note on female infanticide:

This was an unanticipated consequence of the One Child Policy. The driving force behind curbing population growth in a pre-industrialized nation like China should be obvious, but the rationale behind female infanticide is often misconstrued.

Many think it's a remnant of traditionalist patriarchy in play, and to a certain extent this is true. However, the reasons behind this heinous activity is merely economic: being a patrilineal and more importantly patrilocal society, rural peasants rely on sons to take care of them in old age. Daughters marry and leave their natal village, and once married their economic endeavors benefit the family they marry into.

You see very few cases of female infanticide in the cities because the municipal governments offer better retirement plans, in the cases where they are offered at all. Factory workers traditionally enjoyed a higher level of income stability (ceramic vs. steel rice bowls), and hence the need for a male heir caretaker is diminished.

The solution is not further legislation curbing infanticide per se, but addressing the care of the elderly, funding retirees in the remotest of villages to ease the pressure for the younger generations. The cycle can and will be broken, but in a country as vast and unweildy as China these things take time.

-Roger
 
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