made in china

[buddha162]

....folks from the 3rd world countries need to rise up and be heard, damn the consequences, then they might be free from the oppression,,,'nuff said !!!

I sense an astounding level of empathy from your posts.

Keep up the good work.

-Roger

 

[buddha162]

If you can't see why Donald Purdy's post is offensive, or why the derogatory status of all things made in China is insensitive, I have nothing more to say. It comes down to this: people who know what they're talking about, and people who don't have a clue but insist on voicing their (hopelessly misinformed) opinions.

-Roger

 

[Purdman]

If you can't see why Donald Purdy's post is offensive, or why the derogatory status of all things made in China is insensitive, I have nothing more to say. It comes down to this: people who know what they're talking about, and people who don't have a clue but insist on voicing their (hopelessly misinformed) opinions.

-Roger

Roger, my origional post may have been insensitive, misinformed NO. The post was about a Chinese friends plight, my feelings about communisim, mixed with a dab of my humor. I have been following the post and see clearly that there two sides to the story. The story told by the fortunate few, and the truth about the millions of impovershed Chinese people and their oppressive government. I do hope things are getting better for the Chinese people.
Now how about lets get back to the origional post.
Lucassi cues. I find them to be a decent cue for the money. It is the cue of choice for ball bangers. The more serious player would probably prefer a custom cue.
Peace, Don P.

 

[GeraldG]

I do hope things are getting better for the Chinese people.
Now how about lets get back to the origional post.
Lucassi cues. I find them to be a decent cue for the money. It is the cue of choice for ball bangers. The more serious player would probably prefer a custom cue.
Peace, Don P.

Things ARE getting better for the Chinese people...much better. Compared to 20 years ago, well, there is no comparison. My opinion is that it is a result of the very thing that you said in an earlier post: They need to rise up and be heard, damn the consequences (or something to that effect). That is precisely what happened in 1989 at Tian'anmen Square. I think that, as unfortunate as that incident was, it was the turning point for the Chinese people. A few brave people made things change for their fellow countrymen. It was one of the most courageous things I've ever seen.

As for the Lucasi cues, I agree. They make a great cue for the money...no matter where it comes from. I know a couple of pretty darn good players that use Lucasi cues. They can't afford to spend the money on a custom cue, but they can get a very playable cue for a couple hundred bucks with a Lucasi.

 

[yobagua]

great riposte NIPPONBILLIARDS. But you have to understand that there is a history of people who for many years talk about "truths", "freedom", and "equality" and doll out articles like the Constitution when all that time they considered the black man to be 3/4 of a human being. Its like they cant wake up and smell certain realities. Some of them dont want to engage you in discussion and share info. They just want to go believing their racist and chauvanistic jive. They tell you to go "get a life". When really they want people like you and me to shut up and not stir the pot even if they make asinine comments. Thats all to it. There is nothing they want to discuss with you.
But enough of that. I like to point out some great cue makers. Like Eddie Pruitt who makes a great cue who is Chinese-American, the Tad cue by a Japanese American and the Gina cue by Ernie who is mexican american. All "ethnic peoples" who have made a significant contribution to our pool world.
As far as the CHinese. I believe and hope that their quality can only go up.

 

[sjm]

.....there is a history of people who for many years talk about "truths", "freedom", and "equality" and doll out articles like the Constitution when all that time they considered the black man to be 3/4 of a human being. Its like they cant wake up and smell certain realities. Some of them dont want to engage you in discussion and share info. They just want to go believing their racist and chauvanistic jive. They tell you to go "get a life". When really they want people like you and me to shut up and not stir the pot even if they make asinine comments. Thats all to it. There is nothing they want to discuss with you.

A well-judged post, but just for the record, I suspect you meant 3/5, not 3/4.

The scene was the census of 1790 and, then as now, the census not only determined how many electoral votes a state got but determined the extent to which a state would receive federal funding. Prior to the census, it was debated in congress whether slaves should be counted in the census. When northeners and southerners couldn't come to an agreement, the historic "three-fifths compromise" ended the debate. Each five slaves were to be counted as three in the census.

The three fifths compromise remains a scar on American history, a hypocrisy of its times.

 

[Tbeaux]

Lucasi made in China???

A well-judged post, but just for the record, I suspect you meant 3/5, not 3/4.

The scene was the census of 1790 and, then as now, the census not only determined how many electoral votes a state got but determined the extent to which a state would receive federal funding. Prior to the census, it was debated in congress whether slaves should be counted in the census. When northeners and southerners couldn't come to an agreement, the historic "three-fifths compromise" ended the debate. Each five slaves were to be counted as three in the census.

The three fifths compromise remains a scar on American history, a hypocrisy of its times.

Funny , this thread started out as a question about Lucasi cues moved to asian economics , moved to political commentary ,turned into racism and a chinese food fight by mainly overly sensitive people of asian decent or was it still politacal commentary(?) , to blacks and asians attacking "whitey" while whitey became apologetic about something that happened over 140 years ago .

Well before this goes back to an attack on the south the compromise sjm mentions above would have had the "SOUTHERN" congressmen argueing in favor of slaves being counted as "more than 3/5" and the "NORTHERN" congressmen argueing in favor of "less than 3/5" since most slaves lived in the south .

Terry

 

[sjm]

Well before this goes back to an attack on the south the compromise sjm mentions above would have had the "SOUTHERN" congressmen argueing in favor of slaves being counted as "more than 3/5" and the "NORTHERN" congressmen argueing in favor of "less than 3/5" since most slaves lived in the south .
Terry

Thanks for clarifying. I should have said that.

 

[X Breaker]

great riposte NIPPONBILLIARDS. But you have to understand that there is a history of people who for many years talk about "truths", "freedom", and "equality" and doll out articles like the Constitution when all that time they considered the black man to be 3/4 of a human being. Its like they cant wake up and smell certain realities. Some of them dont want to engage you in discussion and share info. They just want to go believing their racist and chauvanistic jive. They tell you to go "get a life". When really they want people like you and me to shut up and not stir the pot even if they make asinine comments. Thats all to it. There is nothing they want to discuss with you.
But enough of that. I like to point out some great cue makers. Like Eddie Pruitt who makes a great cue who is Chinese-American, the Tad cue by a Japanese American and the Gina cue by Ernie who is mexican american. All "ethnic peoples" who have made a significant contribution to our pool world.
As far as the CHinese. I believe and hope that their quality can only go up.

Thank you. Indeed, those are great examples of cue makers from another ethnic background. And we also have Thierry Layani, a French Canadian, who makes superior cues.

You know, I always try to remind myself that when I point my finger at someone, my thumb always points back at myself. I think if we try to put our emotions aside, perhaps we can understand the other side's perspective under a better light.

Although we see their comments as being racist, but obviously, some of them honestly believed they were speaking the truth. I would like to think of them as people of integrity with different views.

After reading their posts, I began to believe they may not have intentionally tried to post insults and engage in racist attack--it is possible that since they do not have much first knowledge of China, they believe that China is a country of poverty and without freedom, they feel that they are merely speaking the truth. That is why some of them consider our comments as being over-reacting; we consider them as being insensitive.

Most people develop a perception of a country through their past first hand experience and also largely from reports obtained from the media. China has had a lot of issues with human right, and issues with poverty and supression of freedom, which we used to see all the time on TV and from reading the newspaper. I know that is something we would all agree on.

China is trying to improve and the people of China are trying to strive for a better country with more freedom. "Made in China" may still carry an inferior connotation to some people, but it is no longer applicable to all products "made in China." However, it is not realistic for us to expect everyone to see that right away and stop their sterotype based on what they have observed in the past fifteen years or so.

Some see the thread opening post as a question, we see it as discrimination. But I asked myself this question: while it is easy to call them insensitive, have I really try to understand why they said what they said?

This forum provides a means for constructive discussion, and I urge everyone to step back and try to see the other side's point of view.

I also sincerely wish that while some of you may still be very excited about certain things you read, you would take the time to read some of the information posted by others. I can assure you that you will gain a better understanding on both the East and the West when you are done.

We all love the game of billiards. And one thing I love about it is that people of all color, wealth, language, gender...can all have fun playing this universal game; most importantly, learn to respect and accept each other's culture through our interactions.

Donald, Jack, and the rest of you out there, although we do not agree on the Chinese issue, is it possible for us to share our mutual love for cues and the game of pool? We can agree to disagree on certain issues, can we?

Richard

 

[sjm]

China is trying to improve and the people of China are trying to strive for a better country with more freedom. "Made in China" may still carry an inferior connotation to some people, but it is no longer applicable to all products "made in China." However, it is not realistic for us to expect everyone to see that right away and stop their sterotype based on what they have observed in the past fifteen years or so.

Right on. China is on the march forward, and figures to become a pillar in the world economy, which which serve people of all nations well. One day "made in China" will probably be an assurance of high quality with respect to some products, much the way "made in Switzerland" says something good about a wristwatch today.

 

[turquoisecrazy]

Very well stated

Thank you. Indeed, those are great examples of cue makers from another ethnic background. And we also have Thierry Layani, a French Canadian, who makes superior cues.

You know, I always try to remind myself that when I point my finger at someone, my thumb always points back at myself. I think if we try to put our emotions aside, perhaps we can understand the other side's perspective under a better light.

Although we see their comments as being racist, but obviously, some of them honestly believed they were speaking the truth. I would like to think of them as people of integrity with different views.

After reading their posts, I began to believe they may not have intentionally tried to post insults and engage in racist attack--it is possible that since they do not have much first knowledge of China, they believe that China is a country of poverty and without freedom, they feel that they are merely speaking the truth. That is why some of them consider our comments as being over-reacting; we consider them as being insensitive.

Most people develop a perception of a country through their past first hand experience and also largely from reports obtained from the media. China has had a lot of issues with human right, and issues with poverty and supression of freedom, which we used to see all the time on TV and from reading the newspaper. I know that is something we would all agree on.

China is trying to improve and the people of China are trying to strive for a better country with more freedom. "Made in China" may still carry an inferior connotation to some people, but it is no longer applicable to all products "made in China." However, it is not realistic for us to expect everyone to see that right away and stop their sterotype based on what they have observed in the past fifteen years or so.

Some see the thread opening post as a question, we see it as discrimination. But I asked myself this question: while it is easy to call them insensitive, have I really try to understand why they said what they said?

This forum provides a means for constructive discussion, and I urge everyone to step back and try to see the other side's point of view.

I also sincerely wish that while some of you may still be very excited about certain things you read, you would take the time to read some of the information posted by others. I can assure you that you will gain a better understanding on both the East and the West when you are done.

We all love the game of billiards. And one thing I love about it is that people of all color, wealth, language, gender...can all have fun playing this universal game; most importantly, learn to respect and accept each other's culture through our interactions.

Donald, Jack, and the rest of you out there, although we do not agree on the Chinese issue, is it possible for us to share our mutual love for cues and the game of pool? We can agree to disagree on certain issues, can we?

Richard

OK...Richie man...I mus say I am moved by your sincerity.

You are right. It is very well said.

It will take time, bu we Chinese will prove to the world we aint third world poverty no more dude.

"made in Japan" used to mean to imply the same dame thing before and after the world man...