Magic Rack

Racking balls is a skill that you can learn.

Johnnyt said:
9-ball is too easy for pro level players no matter how you rack them. 10-ball, 12-ball, or 15-ball would be better for pro level tournaments. 10-ball breaking from the side rail to one diamond out and a foot or less from the back rail would be ideal. Johnnyt
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Pool doesn't need to be any more boring than it already is. Watching pro players hit safety after safety is boring, imo.

Even in 9 Ball, a TEN PACK is a super rarity. Packages make the game more exciting and more fun to watch. I think we need to make the game more fun to watch if we want the masses to give a care. Charismatic players are far more fun to watch than stone-faced players.

I think racking the balls tightly with a good rack (non-MR) is an art and is one of the reasons that players should learn how to rack with all racks.

JoeyA (Stone-face banger)
 
Neil said:
Well, let's see.... SOME pros.... o.k., some pros actually learned how to break. So, your theory is they should be punished for it! Some pros are better at kicking, should they be penalized too??

Then, you complain because they can put large packages together??? I'm sorry, I just don't understand that concept. I WANT to see large packages! The break is only the first shot in each game, not the whole rack. Why don't the same people that complain about making a ball on the break complain when someone runs out?? Many say there is too much luck in 9 ball, but insist that the break should be all luck and no skill. I just don't understand that kind of reasoning.???
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Giggity....

Sorry, the child in me couldn't resist.

Carry on!
 
JoeyA said:
Pool doesn't need to be any more boring than it already is. Watching pro players hit safety after safety is boring, imo.

Even in 9 Ball, a TEN PACK is a super rarity. Packages make the game more exciting and more fun to watch. I think we need to make the game more fun to watch if we want the masses to give a care. Charismatic players are far more fun to watch than stone-faced players.

I think racking the balls tightly with a good rack (non-MR) is an art and is one of the reasons that players should learn how to rack with all racks.

JoeyA (Stone-face banger)
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Agreed racking the balls is part of pool..U lose all like 60 percent of pool with this rack..Hardly any safeties or banks..Balls are wide open everytime..Its a joke..It makes every player the same speed if they can run 5 balls.I got bored playing with it..I slow roll and make the wing ball and possible the one in the side 99.9 percent..If i make the one in the side i will have the 2 straight in the side everytime..If anybody wants to lay me some odds they can come to Houston and I bet I break and run 10 if u let me play for 12 hours on a diamond bar box..Magic rack and i bet I run a 10..Yes i said that...
 
Neil said:
I just want to make sure I really understand what you are really saying here. You are AGAINST giving someone a tight rack, right?? The reason I say that, is because a tight rack will break the same whether you use a wooden rack, or a majic rack. So, you must be against giving your opponent a tight rack, which by default, means that you will ensure that the rack is NOT tight. And, you somehow think that is fair?? I just don't get it.:confused:

One other thing- if you have the two straight in the side every time, then you obviously are pattern racking.
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I really shouldn't speak for put upr shutup BUT, I don't think he is saying that at all. I think he is saying that racking the balls properly (tight) is part of pool, a skill if you will and the use of the Magic Rack removes that skill.

Rack your own is the way to go with the money ball not counting if it goes in the two far corner pockets on the break. To make it more fair, you can alternate breaks to prevent the 10 packs. Personally, I don't think you want to eliminate the possibility of people running out a set.

As to pattern racking, I think the two and the three ball should be on the wing positions for both 9 ball and 10 ball.

I think put up was just saying that he can run a ten pack by placing the two ball in a particular position and have a shot on it, in his quest to run a ten pack. Still, quite a feat even with pattern racking. I'm sure he wasn't talking about tournament play or gambling matches of nine ball, unless both parties agreed or if it was the tournament rules.
 
The Magic Rack works fantastic. It does almost seem unfair because the ball spread so much better, but it completely solves the problem of getting bad racks when playing friends who don't know how to rack or being on a tabke that won't freeze the balls. I haven't had any trouble getting people to try it, and once they use they are sold on it.
 
I have no use for the MR. I see it as the root cause of a whole new set of problems. This is a perfect example of good intentions with unintended consequences. You guys ought to read through these posts again. I can easily see where the MR takes us. It ain't good.
 
Neil said:
I just want to make sure I really understand what you are really saying here. You are AGAINST giving someone a tight rack, right?? The reason I say that, is because a tight rack will break the same whether you use a wooden rack, or a majic rack. So, you must be against giving your opponent a tight rack, which by default, means that you will ensure that the rack is NOT tight. And, you somehow think that is fair?? I just don't get it.:confused:

One other thing- if you have the two straight in the side every time, then you obviously are pattern racking.
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No..I do no gaffs when playing..I dont cheat or do anything intentionally..The world can vouch..But if i can rack the balls perfect everytime and u cant why should I be punished..I can give myself a perfect rack..If u cant..well thats one part of the game u need to go back to study.Not meaning u personally..Just in general..Everything in pool takes time to master....The magic rack is taking years of what ppl took time to learn and just making everyone the same..I will never gamble with one in my life..Its a joke in my opinion..But to each their own...
 
Paul Schofield said:
I have no use for the MR. I see it as the root cause of a whole new set of problems. This is a perfect example of good intentions with unintended consequences. You guys ought to read through these posts again. I can easily see where the MR takes us. It ain't good.
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I guess I will join you in the minority. I don't understand how people can say that the MR doesn't turn the break shot into a trick shot. I have yet to order one (but I'm going to soon) but it doesn't sound like it takes all that much practice to figure out how to make a ball every time on the break.

I can only imagine what this would do to 14.1. I can just see someone like Corey Deuel figuring out a way to smash the break in 14.1 wide open every rack and knowing which ball(s) would go in. At that point, everyone would finally have to admit that the MR created too "perfect" of a rack and it would have to be banned. So basically everyone would have to agree that they don't want a "perfect" rack for 14.1.

Unfortunately, it seems like the cat is out of the bag and I don't know what the answer is going to be. One other possibility would be creating a non-standard MR that didn't use the triangle shape for these games (9Ball & 10Ball). I would think they could come up with a pattern where pocketing a ball on the break wasn't so easy.

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After thinking about it more I don't like my idea. The shape of the rack will not change the fact that every rack is shaped exactly the same.
 
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Neil said:
O.K., well then, I'm still not understanding this then. You say you can give a perfect rack with a wooden rack (I know a bunch of tables you won't be able to without tapping the balls in place, and people will gripe about that too). So, a perfect rack is a perfect rack. So, where is your problem with the MR? All it does is give you a perfect rack! And does so easier than a wooden rack.

Now, I can give a great rack with a wooden one too. However, most times my OPPONENT gets to rack, and they just don't care enough or are not knowledgeable enough to give a good rack. I don't like rack your own, because too many decent players will gaff the rack for themselves.

So, again, why is it that the MR is a gaff, but a tight rack from a wooden rack is not?? I know the answer, it's because the wooden rack really won't give a perfectly tight rack except on new cloth unless you tap the balls in place. I'm just not understanding why others can't or won't see this.??
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I'll jump in here and say that I completely understand what you are saying. If a "perfect" rack is the goal than I agree that the MR is the way to go. I'm just not so certain that in the long run we are going to want a "perfect" rack. I just keep thinking that we are inching closer and closer to obsolescence when it comes to 9-Ball and I don't think 10-Ball will be too far behind if all it boils down to is who has the break figured out the best. I'm speaking of the pros but I don't think the amateurs will be that far behind.

I just recently watched the 2001 U.S. Open where Corey Deuel utilized that soft break (I always knew about what he did I just hadn't actually seen it). I thought his strategy was very ingenious and it was fun to watch for a while. BUT I did realize that after a while watching the same patterns ran out rack after rack the game began to resemble something other than 9Ball. If the MR does to 9 & 10 Ball what Corey was able to do back then, than both games will be in trouble.
 
Magic Ball Rack

WOW -

There is a LOT of stuff going on here. Brief responses to some of the posts above.

1) MBR is not suggested for 14.1.
2) The MBR was used in many World events (alternating break). No ball was made a lot of times at Doha, Qatar. So it is not as easy at World level that people are suggesting.
3) There is alot of difference in 7' and 9' tables.
4) MBR freezes the balls on new or OLD cloth.
5) Mike Dechaine ran 7-1/2 racks (not 10) in 10 ball. Everyone else had the same chance but were not able to. Luck or skill?
6) Pool does need to get more exciting. Alternate breaks stops running racks. But usually makes closer matches.
7) I am an above average player. I do not RUN RACKS using the MBR. I think people are highly overrating how many players will.
8) MBR virtually STOPS all complaining and sharking on the rack.
9) Tournament can save HOURS using MBR. Talk to those that use it!!!

Magic Ball Rack works very good at what it is supposed to do - provide a tight rack.

Mark Griffin,
CSI
North America distributor for MBR.
mbr@playcsipool.com
 
Paraphrasing a top 10 player in the world. The Magic Rack is not good for the game at the professional level. The wing ball goes to easily. The break is one of the things they work hard on to earn an advantage and the magic rack removes that advantage. It's not so bad for 10ball but the template used in Asia and Europe for years with the spots on the cloth is by far the best solution.....

so I am guessing Racktight or Slug Doctor would be the versions here in the U.S. bout time we stole a design from the Asians LOL
 
The Renfro said:
Paraphrasing a top 10 player in the world. The Magic Rack is not good for the game at the professional level. The wing ball goes to easily. The break is one of the things they work hard on to earn an advantage and the magic rack removes that advantage. It's not so bad for 10ball but the template used in Asia and Europe for years with the spots on the cloth is by far the best solution.....

so I am guessing Racktight or Slug Doctor would be the versions here in the U.S. bout time we stole a design from the Asians LOL
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All I see tournaments in China, PI, Japan, Korea using is their version of the MR. Johnnyt
 
Neil said:
O.K., well then, I'm still not understanding this then. You say you can give a perfect rack with a wooden rack (I know a bunch of tables you won't be able to without tapping the balls in place, and people will gripe about that too). So, a perfect rack is a perfect rack. So, where is your problem with the MR? All it does is give you a perfect rack! And does so easier than a wooden rack.

Now, I can give a great rack with a wooden one too. However, most times my OPPONENT gets to rack, and they just don't care enough or are not knowledgeable enough to give a good rack. I don't like rack your own, because too many decent players will gaff the rack for themselves.

So, again, why is it that the MR is a gaff, but a tight rack from a wooden rack is not?? I know the answer, it's because the wooden rack really won't give a perfectly tight rack except on new cloth unless you tap the balls in place. I'm just not understanding why others can't or won't see this.??
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I dont like..That basically sums it up..When i play rack ur own I rack em perfect..The guy im playin may not..So its an advantage to me that he cant rack em..The Mgic Rack..Its and equalizer..In an amatuer tourney its fine..Im just sayin I do not want to gamble with one..I dont want a guy that plays 2 balls under me playins the same speed cause he has to run 6 balls in the same order every single time..and again I can play flawless with it and break them perfect myself..but i can do the same with my hands..Thats all im saying..It speeds things up..I agree with this...Ten ball I dont mind using it possibly..But 9 ball..no way for my cheese..That is all...
 
I can see it now. Fast forward to 2013. Out comes Joe Tucker's "Secrets of the Magic Rack". Can anyone here see where this takes us?
 
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