Imo, that's even more reason not to get into hiz biz.
man witnessed sad action last night - 2 idiots in a pool room
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Imo, that's even more reason not to get into hiz biz.
What you are not understanding is that in the pool world most see this not only as being acceptable, but as a beautiful thing. Everyone agrees that it is wrong to take the lollipop from the baby. Everyone agrees that it is not ok for a man to beat a woman. Everyone agrees that it is wrong for the cashier to give a blind guy back less change than he should be getting back. Nowhere else in life is it seen as ok to take advantage of people or to pick on the defenseless except in the pool world where it is seen as something to be proud of and to be held in high esteem because of.
All true. But this is called gambling, being done by two willing adults. Would you care too much for a ( stranger ) to not only tell you what to do with your money but also physically interject themselves to stop you from doing what you wanted with you're money?
lol,he STILL don't get it !!!
I know what you are getting at and there is a fine line in there but yes, I would want to know when I am being deceived and taken advantage of just like you and every other person in the world would. The "two willing adults" argument holds no water and isn't what makes the difference. The transaction between the cashier and the blind man (where the cashier intentionally gives him back less change than he is owed) is between two willing adults. What makes the difference is not whether both parties are adults, and willing, the difference is whether or not there is a deception being done to take advantage of someone.
Intentionally deceiving someone to take advantage of them is universally seen as wrong in literally pretty much every other situation on earth. For some reason that is not logical, the pool world has decided to see things differently when it comes to trying to get somebody's money playing pool.
Now I wasn't there in this case to be able to make a judgement on it. I don't know how much deception was going on, or how much player B was being taken advantage of.
Have to spread some rep around before giving you some again, but I agree with you 100%
The same thing can happen in Open tournaments. Weaker players that have no shot of winning (but think they do) will put up their money to play. Hence the term, "dead money"
So what's the difference? I get that in a gambling situation, the weaker player could and likely is being intentionally deceived. However, in both situations it is the weaker player's faulty analysis of their own game that got them there.
If you saw a man putting in $50 chips in Vegas every 5 min ( slut machine ) and you knew for a FACT that particular machine was dead would you not say something?
Especially if that man was down big bucks already and was desperately trying to come back and thought he had a big chance.
If you did you would be killing the action for the casino owner..
Maybe I didn't tell the story right: guy B had ZERO chance of coming back. No chance.
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Let me put it another way. If a B+ player is playing SVB 50/game. He has no idea who SVB is. You do. SVB takes a bathroom break. B+ player is down a grand already. He's standing next to you and goes "I can get him! I know I'm better than this clown! He's getting lucky rolls!". Do you not go "dude, that's um shane van boening, chill, he's not only a pro but one of the best in the world". Or do you keep your mouth shut and enjoy the action
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No. No. No. No.
If someone wants to gamble their money then they should have every right to do so.
I bought my car in 2012, and I'm sure I didn't get the best deal. Where were you then?
Again, it is real simple. If nobody is trying to take advantage of anyone else, there is no problem. If someone is trying to take advantage of someone else then of course it isn't right and we all know that. We don't accept it or see it as being right anywhere else in life and there is no logical reason whatsoever for seeing it any different in pool.
If you saw a man putting in $50 chips in Vegas every 5 min ( slut machine ) and you knew for a FACT that particular machine was dead would you not say something?
Especially if that man was down big bucks already and was desperately trying to come back and thought he had a big chance.
If you did you would be killing the action for the casino owner..
Maybe I didn't tell the story right: guy B had ZERO chance of coming back. No chance.
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If I was spending my money the way I wanted to spend it NO, I would not want you to say anything about what I was doing with my money. Sorry, don't take it personal, I am sure you thought you were doing the right thing, but I do not want anyone saying what I should do with my money. Back to the original post, if you gamble at pool you will not always have the "nuts", you will win and lose. So it is nice when you do have get the nuts because it help pays for when you are the underdog and lose some.
Tom
Especially if that man was down big bucks already and was desperately trying to come back and thought he had a big chance.
If you did you would be killing the action for the casino owner..
Maybe I didn't tell the story right: guy B had ZERO chance of coming back. No chance.
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If I was spending my money the way I wanted to spend it NO, I would not want you to say anything about what I was doing with my money. Sorry, don't take it personal, I am sure you thought you were doing the right thing, but I do not want anyone saying what I should do with my money. Back to the original post, if you gamble at pool you will not always have the "nuts", you will win and lose. So it is nice when you do have get the nuts because it help pays for when you are the underdog and lose some.
Tom
Let's go back to your example of the cashier giving the blind man the wrong change.
The blind man is the one who is being taken advantage of in that example. But if no one else is around, the blind man wouldn't know he was receiving the wrong change. In other words, there is nothing to prevent the blind man from being taken advantage of.
Back to the OP's example, or any example of a weaker player getting into a match they can't win. The weaker player doesn't have to play.
But if you were being deceived or taken advantage of you would not be spending the money the way you wanted to now would you? If you thought you were putting your money towards one thing (which is how you want to spend you money) but the reality was that it was something else, then you are not at all spending your money the way you wanted to.
Take the example from his post, which I quoted below. There is nobody on earth, including you, that wouldn't want to be told they were playing SVB. Anybody that tries to claim otherwise (although I doubt anybody will) is a liar, or just not being honest with themselves.
We are gonna just have to disagree, same old song and dance that comes up frequently and clearly there are two entrenched sides.Couple things we all should agree on, most times if you go in and kill someone's action like that you are gonna have a problem on you're hands.Could've been people betting on the rail. As I've said before, being able to gauge speed is more important than actually how you play. Dude was paying his dues on his way to getting better - most of us have. Lastly, pool needs money infused from somewhere otherwise what are we gonna have left? Money has to come from somewhere and it sure ain't like it was back in the day.Everyone's dead, in jail, or whatever but it just isn't there like it used to be.
The blind man didn't have to go to the store either. He could have someone else go for him. He could take someone with him. He could wait outside until another customer came and ask for that customer to help him make sure he got the right change.
Just because a guy doesn't have to play pool for money doesn't make it ok to take advantage of him. A girl doesn't have to leave her house either (or go to the park), but "well she didn't have to leave her house" or "well she didn't have to go to the park" isn't an acceptable justification if she gets raped.
You are trying to create some difference where there is none. You are trying to create some justification where none exists. Anybody that truly thinks about it with logic and honesty will see that taking advantage of somebody in the pool is no different at all than taking advantage of somebody anywhere else in life.
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Guess none of Yall have been in a bad game and knew and chased your money huh? This guy could have known it but just chasing. Maybe there was no one else to play and he really wanted some action. This is just some more of the " everyone should get a trophy " crap. This is a competition, don't know what you're doing stay outta the box!
Being in a bad game and knowing it and still choosing to do it anyway falls under the category of nobody taking advantage of anybody. That isn't the type of scenario that was being discussed and I don't think anybody sees any problem with it.
Exactly! You don't know if player A depends on player B's money as a supplement. I'm not even going to try to explain that to you.
What you did is like stepping in between a man and a woman arguing. That's what the bouncer and the cops are for. I knew someone who did that once and she broke a beer bottle and dam near killed the person who stood up for her for hurting her man. Same difference. I know, oxymoron.
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