Mandatory Push after the break?

Mandatory push after the break.

  • Yes, makes sense...

    Votes: 24 22.6%
  • No, WTF?...

    Votes: 82 77.4%

  • Total voters
    106
... racking/breaking is a less rich less subtle skill than many of the others. ...

The reality is instituting the simple mandatory push out rule makes the simple game much more sophisticated, and makes the variance at a high level determined by many more of the above skills.

I really like your reasoning, Mike. But I did not vote in this poll, as I'd like to see a full pro event played that way before expressing a preference.

8-ball is another example.

The shooting player right after the break has the choice of choosing the suit or shooting. If he chooses the suit, the other guy starts shooting. If he chooses to shoot, the other guy tells him whether he's stripes or solids. ...

Now there's an idea I had not considered, and it sounds great!
 
Lets change all sports and games

Learn how to Break..period If a player practices his or her break 4 hours a day they should be punished?
If you have a perfect 14.1 break and your opponent does not, lets change it to 5 balls hit the cushion.
The break is the first shot of every game and probably the most important shot, so lets make it where it's useless, that's genius.
I watched Hatch and Sossei play a challenge match, push out after the break and and if I remember push out on shots. In 30 minutes the Arena was empty, everyone walked out. And I say if I remember because I walked out in 15 minutes.That's how long the first game took, Hatch was shaking his head.
From now on Mariano Rivera can't throw a cut fast ball because the other pitchers have not mastered the mechanics as he did. As far as gaff racking, that's another story.
Learn how to break like a champ and you might just become one.
 
... As far as gaff racking, that's another story.
Learn how to break like a champ and you might just become one.
No, gaff racking has become THE story which is why we are having this discussion. As for "break like a champ", it has become as important to rack like a champ if the US Open finals have any lesson to teach.
 
No way. You can bet that if a neutral racker were used the playes would be scrutinizing the rack then. Ive seen it. A lot. Why would it be so different if the players were scrutinizing each others?

Would it be nicer if you didn't have to scrutinize anything? Scrutinizing sucks. :)
 
My vote is NO

If you want to see runouts, then you have 9-Ball, 10-Ball.
If you want strategy, nice shots and fight for the first most important shot, than you have One Pocket.
For me the things are clear.


I agree, except you forgot if you want to see the true art form of pool, you have 14.1 :thumbup:
 
The original 9ball died a long time ago when they got rid of 2 foul ball in hand.
9ball has been a fractured game ever since.
The push after the break seems ok to me for 2 reasons.

1. Knowing there is a push after the break is going to basically stop ALL the sissies from crying about the rack because breaking and running out doesn't mean SQUAT anymore.
2. The push out adds a touch of strategy, much like 2 foul ball in hand, where you could push out to your strengths and your opponents weaknesses. (Like if they slice balls in well, but you bank better, and you push out to a bank shot)

But personally, I would rather go back to the way it was before Texas express.
Rack them with a traditional rack, no rack template or rack your own. Hit em with a slug, get them all hot, and argue all night about it.

NO one is running packages on you if you hit them with a slug.
It's TRADITION for Christs sake.:D
 
It's a repeat

No, gaff racking has become THE story which is why we are having this discussion. As for "break like a champ", it has become as important to rack like a champ if the US Open finals have any lesson to teach.

I am well aware of why we are having this discussion. Fix the racking situation, but don't take the break out of play.
The break has been a required stroke/shot since day 1 of this great game.
Fix the rack situation and learn how to break.

Or we can have a heavyweight title shot and only throw jabs.
 
Anyone who isn't fully aware that rack mechanics can have a large effect on the outcome of a tournament hasn't been paying attention the past few years.

Stop accepting it then. It baffles me how easily people in American pool accept players cheating. "If player A spent the time to learn how to manipulate the rack then player A deserves their advantage." You can see it in some of the responses to that thread about SVB racking. It's absurd.

If someone is manipulating the rack then they are the problem, not the game itself.
 
9BALL on the 5/10 playing Roll Out is the Best Game in the World. imo

The original 9ball died a long time ago when they got rid of 2 foul ball in hand.
9ball has been a fractured game ever since.
The push after the break seems ok to me for 2 reasons.

1. Knowing there is a push after the break is going to basically stop ALL the sissies from crying about the rack because breaking and running out doesn't mean SQUAT anymore.
2. The push out adds a touch of strategy, much like 2 foul ball in hand, where you could push out to your strengths and your opponents weaknesses. (Like if they slice balls in well, but you bank better, and you push out to a bank shot)

But personally, I would rather go back to the way it was before Texas express.
Rack them with a traditional rack, no rack template or rack your own. Hit em with a slug, get them all hot, and argue all night about it.

NO one is running packages on you if you hit them with a slug.
It's TRADITION for Christs sake.:D

This is funny, but SO TRUE. Without racking for the other guy there's far less of that "head to head" combat that makes pool like boxing. Racking your own balls is like practicing, or pitching baseballs to your self.....Barry Bonds might hit a home run every time if he knew what pitch was coming.

9BALL on the 5/10 playing Roll Out is the Best Game in the World. imo

There's no need to play 10 ball because then there's very few racks over "ONE IN A ROW" which could be improved. I have played a lot of 9 Ball on a 5/10 and 3 is the most I've ran (on more than one occasion though).

I would say running 3 racks of 9 Ball on a 5/10 is like running 8 or even 10 on a 4.5/9' Table, especially if the corner ball is "wired" which it isn't on a 5/10.
 
This is funny, but SO TRUE. Without racking for the other guy there's far less of that "head to head" combat that makes pool like boxing. Racking your own balls is like practicing, or pitching baseballs to your self.....Barry Bonds might hit a home run every time if he knew what pitch was coming.

9BALL on the 5/10 playing Roll Out is the Best Game in the World. imo

There's no need to play 10 ball because then there's very few racks over "ONE IN A ROW" which could be improved. I have played a lot of 9 Ball on a 5/10 and 3 is the most I've ran (on more than one occasion though).

I would say running 3 racks of 9 Ball on a 5/10 is like running 8 or even 10 on a 4.5/9' Table, especially if the corner ball is "wired" which it isn't on a 5/10.

Their you are, Mr. CJ. I had not seen any post from you in a couple of days. I am glad you are OK! Keep on with the keep on!
Many Regards,
Lock N Load.
 
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