Manny Pacqiao Invites ALL Pro Pool Players to His Event in February - SWEET!!!

Smoke and Mirrors. CJ turns down a 10K challenge at DCC and now he;s talking Private Jet to the PI. I highly doubt it.

However, I am running out of Filipino cigars and I haven't had a holiday for a few years.

I am seriously considering, if Jay will come and show me the ropes. Now that would be a holiday.

If I tie up loose ends by the Feb date, I am willing to bet that I will be there before CJ.

Of course, I will have to fly Commercial Commoner Class.

Going to check some flights now and get my Pass Port renewed on Monday.
 
I believe you need to fire your fact checker.....sorry you are wrong on both counts.





SpiderWeb said:
Luat beat him like drum in seattle, and Effy spotted him and beat him like a drum at the same place, so the jet will never leave the ground.
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There's no question that pool is struggling financially

I just got home from Volcano's tournament tonight. There was a full field of 32 players, I gave everyone on my table 2 games on the wire and "got lucky" to win. They had a break contest at $200 a ball and we all cut up about $1400. - this Ft. Worth area is booming with action and there's a good tournament every night of the week (except I go to a private poker game on Mondays).

There's no question that pool is struggling financially (like 80% of the American people are), it's my mission to make positive changes - either I will or not, and that's something no one on earth can predict. Either way I'm okay with the outcome.

I'm loving pool again and have an entirely fresh outlook now that my research and development phase is complete. I've learned so much about this game and what's cool is I may just be scratching the surface. Pool is definitely "The Master Game," and I'll openly debate that with anyone in a professional format.


AtLarge said:
He says he played in over 140 tournaments in 2014. Though they probably were mostly small and local to Dallas / Fort Worth, I imagine they added quite a bit to that 2014 figure posted by AzB.
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The game should be challenging, not just a rack running contest.

You are exactly right, the 9 Ball should at least be racked on the spot. Bar table pool is a great game, although not if the players are making a "dead ball" every time. That's like playing golf and being able to drop the ball 300 yards off the tee in the middle of the fairway. The game should be challenging, not just a rack running contest.


Floppage said:
I was there as a spectator and you are right. As much as there may have been pattern racking in 9 ball on the streaming table there was even more going on off camera. I won't name anyone but there are a couple of pros who left the table almost identical break after break. Some of them didn't even bother pretending like they were reading the shot. They were starting their pattern while the balls were almost still moving. In one case, a player conceded a match after the 1 ball went in because he didn't feel like watching the other player run out.

However, I believe it was suggested to CSI that they rack the 9 on the spot similar to the US 9 Ball Open so if they do that it might dent that a little.

There didn't seem to be a lot of referees on hand for the matches I was watching so that may explain not catching the pattern racking. Besides, I don't think many players have the guts to call a pro out on pattern racking and bring a referee to the table.

In spite of all of that, I think it's a great tournament and lets a lot of nobodies like myself play in a big event. Sure, we don't have a chance but its kind of a destination event. And for the pros it's a bigger pot in exchange for having to mow down a few amateurs on their way to the finals.
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Blue Hog ridr said:
Smoke and Mirrors. CJ turns down a 10K challenge at DCC and now he;s talking Private Jet to the PI. I highly doubt it.

However, I am running out of Filipino cigars and I haven't had a holiday for a few years.

I am seriously considering, if Jay will come and show me the ropes. Now that would be a holiday.

If I tie up loose ends by the Feb date, I am willing to bet that I will be there before CJ.

Of course, I will have to fly Commercial Commoner Class.

Going to check some flights now and get my Pass Port renewed on Monday.
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Gladly. I don't plan to go back until April though. :wink:
 
CJ Wiley said:
I just got home from Volcano's tournament tonight. There was a full field of 32 players, I gave everyone on my table 2 games on the wire and "got lucky" to win. They had a break contest at $200 a ball and we all cut up about $1400. - this Ft. Worth area is booming with action and there's a good tournament every night of the week (except I go to a private poker game on Mondays).

There's no question that pool is struggling financially (like 80% of the American people are), it's my mission to make positive changes - either I will or not, and that's something no one on earth can predict. Either way I'm okay with the outcome.

I'm loving pool again and have an entirely fresh outlook now that my research and development phase is complete. I've learned so much about this game and what's cool is I may just be scratching the surface. Pool is definitely "The Master Game," and I'll openly debate that with anyone in a professional format.
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What does it mean you all cut it up?
 
Tap, tap, tap Mitchell! :thumbup: MG has done more for pool than CJ ever will!

Scott Lee
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DogsPlayingPool said:
Honestly CJ,, I expected better from you. Not anymore though.

What again have you done for pool lately besides talk about what you've done?

We know where you're talking about playing. So take that private jet you mentioned to the PI and get in the box already. You've been around here long enough, it's time we see you actually play at the level you are constantly talk about.

Sorry, but for someone who claims to have the game's best interest at heart I find it disingenuous to trash an event in that manner.
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I don't really mean to stir this up, but I guess I can't help myself. What's with all the bashing? I may not agree with everything somebody says, or posts, but show some respect. I enjoy hearing the road stories, the pointers, and whatever someone wants to share about their knowledge or experience. I may think some of it is self promoting, but so what? When you run any kind of business, there better be some promotion. Agree or disagree, but at least be respectful about it.
 
DogsPlayingPool said:
Honestly CJ,, I expected better from you. Not anymore though.

What again have you done for pool lately besides talk about what you've done?

We know where you're talking about playing. So take that private jet you mentioned to the PI and get in the box already. You've been around here long enough, it's time we see you actually play at the level you are constantly talk about.

Sorry, but for someone who claims to have the game's best interest at heart I find it disingenuous to trash an event in that manner.
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I think it is great that the bar table championships are still being promoted. I enjoy watching the pros play bar tables once in a while- especially if the tables are made to play tough which somewhat tight pockets.

However, CJ has a point- something needs to be done about this pattern racking problem. Corey Deuel played a match last year against Orcullo in which he wired the 3-9 combo time after time on the rack. It was ridiculous.

Corey also racked 8 ball very oddly too if I recall- racking all the balls on one side. I am a fan of Corey, but the fact that this was allowed was absurd. It made the tournament a farce at times.
 
Jay, so I can't persuade you into a Feb date eh?

Thats too bad, but I am sure with you as a tour guide for a bit, I will find more than enuff
pool.

Is that new place, I believe it's called Star Billiards, in Manilla? I used to have that place Book Marked and watch the Live Stream Cam quite often.

That would be one place that I would like to see.

Pool Tourney aside, I think a person could find many exciting games to watch no matter when or where you went.
 
Mole Eye said:
I don't really mean to stir this up, but I guess I can't help myself. What's with all the bashing? I may not agree with everything somebody says, or posts, but show some respect. I enjoy hearing the road stories, the pointers, and whatever someone wants to share about their knowledge or experience. I may think some of it is self promoting, but so what? When you run any kind of business, there better be some promotion. Agree or disagree, but at least be respectful about it.
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I agree, but respect is earned. Words without action are nothing. So far I've only heard him talk about his vision and plans for the future of pool. Talk, talk, talk. I can live with that. But then he trashes the USBTC, three events in seven days without the need to incur additional travel and one of numerous tournaments put on by a man who is actually doing something to keep pro pool afloat. And he did so in a manner that was condescending, sarcastic and destructive. Simply, it was mean. He could easily just talk about the positive potential of Manny and his event without trying to take down another.

If a professional wants respect, instead of constantly hawking his own agenda and running at the mouth, he should get in the box with the big guns and back up all the talk about how good he still is, not robbing the local bangers three times a week by snapping off whatever dive bar event is going on in his neighborhood. It reminds me of Kramer in karate class, only not humorous. It does not impress me nor gain my respect. In fact it loses respect. Really, it's sad. It is certainly not something a "world champion" should be bragging about.

Ask around about me. I don't lock horns with people very often. I don't chase CJ or anyone else around the forum from thread to thread looking for opportunities to bash them. Life's too short and relationships too precious. But there's a tipping point when someone who is the self-proclaimed "Keeper of the Vision of Pool" tries to take down and destroy the few good events and people that are carrying the game.

Sorry if I'm coming off as bashing but what can I say, I made New Years resolution not to cosign bullshit this year. ;) But to prove I mean no ill will, I'd like to offer CJ to hop on the jet and come on out to L.A. next month and I will pay his entry into the Swanee. $5,000 added and lots of dead money, mine included. Should provide some easy seed money for the trip to the Philippines the following week though there will probably be a couple of half decent players he'd have to go through to win.

BTW, take one guess who puts on this tournament, at a loss, because he cares about and supports the game. ;)
 
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Blue Hog ridr said:
Jay, so I can't persuade you into a Feb date eh?

Thats too bad, but I am sure with you as a tour guide for a bit, I will find more than enuff
pool.

Is that new place, I believe it's called Star Billiards, in Manilla? I used to have that place Book Marked and watch the Live Stream Cam quite often.

That would be one place that I would like to see.

Pool Tourney aside, I think a person could find many exciting games to watch no matter when or where you went.
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Star Billiards has been around awhile, several years now. It's free there for good players to practice, so you will see some pretty strong players in there every day. It's located in Quezon City, on the site of Star Paper company. The owner is Sebastian Chua, who quietly is one of the main supporters of pro pool in the Philippines. He never tries to bring attention to himself for what he does.
 
pool slang for "splitting the money up according to performance"

btown said:
What does it mean you all cut it up?[
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It's pool slang for "splitting the money up according to performance" - one guy won $500. - I won $200 - another guy won $100. - and since no one could make one on the break they drew tickets for the remaining money. They give it all away, one way or another, however, they can't hold the tournament up for too long or we won't get finished.

For a list of other pool slang, here's a list I typed up:


SLANG WORDS COMMONLY USED BY ROAD PLAYERS

George- Word that means something is good. “the movie was george” or “the game is george” We also use double george to mean really good. This can be signaled to another Road-Player by putting their hand over their chest.
Tom- The opposite of george and simply means something is bad. If the game is a tom game then you shouldn't play. This can be signaled by brushing your nose with your finger. Double tom for emphasis.
Stalling or laying down- playing “under your speed” , missing balls on purpose or anything to make yourself appear to play less than you really do.
Lemon or lemonade- losing on purpose with the intention of coming back at a later time to beat either the person you played or someone else. Enables you to bet higher because someone already saw you lose and underrates your game. Lemons require you to stall.
Cut Up Money - "split up according to performance"
Jar- means to put something in someones drink to make them play bad and lose. Even if a drink hasn't been opened it can be jarred by shooting the substance in the bottle or can with an insulin needle or syringe.
Spot-book- the book that you keep the names and personal information about someone that tells how to beat them out of the most money, how much they will bet, how much they can be spotted, what they look like, where they play, what game they like and don’t like, and anything else that will help win the maximum money off of them.
Spot-sheet- a piece of paper with all the information you need for a certain location that has information on everyone in the room that has to do with gambling.
Mark- someone that has been targeted to be hustled or conned
Chip- used in reference to drugs that keep you up (amphetamines)
Shortstop- someone that thinks they play well but are not capable of beating any real players.
Steer-man- someone that tells Road-Players where they can go to win money and gives them the information that goes in their spot-book. A good steer-man will make 20% of the winnings for giving a good “steer”.
Stake-horse or backer- someone that puts up the money for a player and usually will split the winnings with the player 50-50 or 60-40 depending on the status of the player and how desperate he is for action.
Bankroll- refers to the money that you have to gamble with. Most gamblers will keep a “roll” of money in their front pocket for show.
Flash- to show a potential mark a roll of money seemingly unintentionally.
Nit- someone that is tight with their money and “won’t bet fat meat is greasy.” “no gambling nit”
Nose open- refers to when a sucker is beyond the point of no return and is chasing his money trying to win it back, but is in a trap and will probably lose all he has and all he can borrow.
Sucker- a loser or someone that always finds a way to lose his money.
Scuffler- someone that hangs around bars or pool rooms looking for suckers that can’t possibly win. They usually make most of their living doing this.
Road-player- the premier pool hustlers. They may go years without losing because they play really well and always know who they are playing before they play. They always have spot-books and access to the best steer-men.
Going off- means losing most if not all of your money gambling
Sharking- to intentionally try to distract your opponent by either saying something or doing something while they are shooting a shot.
Double steer- to give someone a steer to play a certain game, but actually being in with the other person. This is common among hustlers and stake-horses, especially in the big city pool rooms.
Double steer lemon- Pretending to set up a double steer, but actually being in with the first guy for the purpose of getting someone else into a game. Because of the double steer format the winning player would have to split the money with the person setting it up and if it is really a lemon then you are appearing to lose twice as much as you really are and you have the player thinking that he has really won and will tell people that are in with him so that they might get caught up in a future game. This is only done by experienced Road-Players and hustlers.
Dump- to lose a stake-horses money on purpose and splitting it with the player later at a secret meeting place.
Knockers - People that tell others the level of players game so they won't play. Knockers do this to feel important and useful, but as a result keep the action in a pool room to a bare minimum. Knockers are hated by road players.
Detectives - They are like knockers, but sometimes use all the information they come up with to gamble themselves. They know how everyone in town plays and are useful to hustlers because they give them information...sometimes for free, but usually want a "piece of the action" in return.
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george- Word that means something is good. “the movie was george”

Floppage said:
Yeah, yeah, yeah...I own it. At least I buy lots of books, dvds, tar videos, etc.
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You've got a good sense of humor so you would be "george".

george- Word that means something is good. “the movie was george” or “the game is george” We also use double george to mean really good. This can be signaled to another Road-Player by putting their hand over their chest.
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CJ Wiley said:
I just got home from Volcano's tournament tonight. There was a full field of 32 players, I gave everyone on my table 2 games on the wire and "got lucky" to win. They had a break contest at $200 a ball and we all cut up about $1400. - this Ft. Worth area is booming with action and there's a good tournament every night of the week (except I go to a private poker game on Mondays).

There's no question that pool is struggling financially (like 80% of the American people are), it's my mission to make positive changes - either I will or not, and that's something no one on earth can predict. Either way I'm okay with the outcome.

I'm loving pool again and have an entirely fresh outlook now that my research and development phase is complete. I've learned so much about this game and what's cool is I may just be scratching the surface. Pool is definitely "The Master Game," and I'll openly debate that with anyone in a professional format.
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Good luck in finding anyone "professional";)

I appreciate your drive sir, as always good luck, stay positive, and most of all, stay strong!
 
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