Many pool players to return to pool
- Thread starter u12armresl
- Start date
More likely just using the "law" to get rid of private, better-odds competition. State-run casinos can't compete without special "laws" to keep out troublesome competitors. In Iowa, for just one small example, casinos are the only place the public can smoke ('cept the governor's mansion, too...hint hint everyone).
Think of how much money you could "win" if you had the fbi in your hand....a nice trump card if you can get it dealt to you.
Jeff Livingston
You honestly believe it is being done for the children????????
ha ha ha ha ha ha
SUCKER!!!!!!!
Jeff Livingston
Persons shouldn't be spending their own money as they see fit?
Explain, please.
Jeff Livingston
We are getting messages on PokerStars in Australia stating that the site has shifted to European servers. I think the money should be safe as it was not taken under 'false pretenses'...only transferred illegally. The bonus is that I am sure a lot of hotshot lawyers frequented the sites and are probably already banding together to find a solution to the release of funds in personal accounts. They will no doubt pester the authorities until the fines are more reasonable (some money for the Government is better than none and they would rather get the cash than put 7 or 8 people in jail for unrealistic terms and face a HUGE public outcry). The frozen accounts in the US are only a portion of the stored revenue and the company will continue to trade. If the IRS were to chase up every US account holder it would cost them as much as the money they lost by not regulating/condoning the system in the first place. It may be that everyone will receive cheques from European companies in the coming weeks...you can only try and think positively. JMHO.
I believe very little of justice these days is actually leveled out in order to protect anyone, I think it mostly comes down to money, political power, and general power struggles between organizations, both illegal and legetimate.
On certain rare occasions positive things result from these types of actions and some victimized groups actually DO see respite, whether that was the primary intention or not. I find justice systems all over the world are more focused these days on punishment of the bad guy and less focused on protection of the innocent people.
My example was simply that, an example of something that can result from something like this, not the primary goal, a simple side effect. Might want to read a little closer or know better who you are talking to before you go calling them a "sucker".
this might be good for players like me who play live.
It will be IMO. Poker needed a huge amount of advertising and a huge number of people getting into the game in a fairly safe/cheap environment. The online sites allowed that to take place, but they also made it so that you never needed to do anything but play online. Those sites got people addicted to poker, now they are getting shut down possibly, and alot of people are now going to need to play the game live if they want to play.
This will be a huge shift for live poker, alot of online pros are now going to have to get off their computers and get out there on the live tables if they want to make a living playing poker, there is going to be a slew more amatures who want to play tournaments or cash games and cannot do so online anymore, many will head to casinos including Vegas to get that fix.
The only serious hurt this will cause poker is they are losing a HUGE sponser for the game and the major source of advertising in the poker sites. Poker is going to need the casinos, airlines, and some other major companies to pick up that slack. It would be in the best interest for Las Vegas Sands, MGM, Bally's and the other major casino companies to jump on this chance, promote poker, and make it a major draw for getting people into the casino's and filling the rooms in Vegas. Poker needs the casino's to step up and take over for the poker sites, and if the casinos do it right and promote live poker properly they can be a huge benefactor from all of this.
I just had a rather large cashout that I requested the day before the shit hit the fan cancelled and credited back to my account. They can not process any cash to US customers at this time. A bunch of processors were indicted as well. Now I will take a short(hopefully) break from work and wait and see what transpires.Maybe hit some balls.
You think that's what this is about?
Anytime a company starts looking for countries who are an island 5 miles x 5 miles big, and you can't find it on a map, then you can start to think that shady things are going to happen.
It's been an unregulated industry with numerous proven allegations of cheating, and you think it's the govt who wants their hand in the pot?
I would think as patriotic you are, you'd want it to be regulated AND taxed properly. All the people making money on that site, and statistics as well as the players indicate that hardly any taxes are paid. The same taxes which could greatly help a country which could use the income.
Anytime a company starts looking for countries who are an island 5 miles x 5 miles big, and you can't find it on a map, then you can start to think that shady things are going to happen.
It's been an unregulated industry with numerous proven allegations of cheating, and you think it's the govt who wants their hand in the pot?
I would think as patriotic you are, you'd want it to be regulated AND taxed properly. All the people making money on that site, and statistics as well as the players indicate that hardly any taxes are paid. The same taxes which could greatly help a country which could use the income.
Mr Frist attaching UIGEA to the Port Authority Bill last minute (which was GUARANTEED to pass), because he wanted to instill his moral authority on us.
Look up the history on it.
Let them regulate and tax online poker. We would all love that. That's win win for everyone. But that's not going to happen any time soon. Not as repressed as this government is.
As such, this is very much about government control, trying to dictate what we can and cannot do. It is NOT about the government protecting us from criminals.
Look up the history on it.
Let them regulate and tax online poker. We would all love that. That's win win for everyone. But that's not going to happen any time soon. Not as repressed as this government is.
As such, this is very much about government control, trying to dictate what we can and cannot do. It is NOT about the government protecting us from criminals.
as usual it's about the dollars
Note that the Fed's didn't go chasing after the hundreds of little poker sites in operation. They chose the three biggest and they are trying to "recover" three billion dollars.(3,000,000,000)
What happened to trigger this was several things I believe:
The poker sites simply got too big and too high profile.
They got their fingers in the government pie when they took up buying banks.
Assuming the claim is true of many false fronts to make payments and receive funds this is simply bush league and gives the government a slam dunk case. They should have used the GE model of a single dummy at each level one was required. This move was almost certainly made when the poker sites were small and they let it mushroom instead of revamping the model. Again, assuming this is true which appears likely at the moment.
Finally the fact that Washington DC has allied with a smaller poker enterprise is significant. Online gambling income is an official part of the future budget of DC. Clubbing the competition is definitely Chicago style politics and we have a Chicago politician sitting cheek and jowl with the DC mayor. Also if DC manages to pull this off I suspect it will create a domino effect as states jump on the deal.
Legalizing online gambling could let the US jump from letting billions slide through it's fingers to becoming the largest player in online gambling. It could let the states have the funds to not need federal bailouts and much of the funding they currently get which would go a long ways towards balancing the federal budget or more likely the federal government would realize this is too big a plum to let the states have and take federal control of online gambling and the profits further tightening it's grip on the states and people.
A guess here but I'd guess that online poker as a whole has a bigger cash flow than over 95% of the world's countries. Now that gambling is accepted in most of the US that is just too big of a temptation for Uncle Sam to not get involved directly or indirectly through the states.
Hu
Note that the Fed's didn't go chasing after the hundreds of little poker sites in operation. They chose the three biggest and they are trying to "recover" three billion dollars.(3,000,000,000)
What happened to trigger this was several things I believe:
The poker sites simply got too big and too high profile.
They got their fingers in the government pie when they took up buying banks.
Assuming the claim is true of many false fronts to make payments and receive funds this is simply bush league and gives the government a slam dunk case. They should have used the GE model of a single dummy at each level one was required. This move was almost certainly made when the poker sites were small and they let it mushroom instead of revamping the model. Again, assuming this is true which appears likely at the moment.
Finally the fact that Washington DC has allied with a smaller poker enterprise is significant. Online gambling income is an official part of the future budget of DC. Clubbing the competition is definitely Chicago style politics and we have a Chicago politician sitting cheek and jowl with the DC mayor. Also if DC manages to pull this off I suspect it will create a domino effect as states jump on the deal.
Legalizing online gambling could let the US jump from letting billions slide through it's fingers to becoming the largest player in online gambling. It could let the states have the funds to not need federal bailouts and much of the funding they currently get which would go a long ways towards balancing the federal budget or more likely the federal government would realize this is too big a plum to let the states have and take federal control of online gambling and the profits further tightening it's grip on the states and people.
A guess here but I'd guess that online poker as a whole has a bigger cash flow than over 95% of the world's countries. Now that gambling is accepted in most of the US that is just too big of a temptation for Uncle Sam to not get involved directly or indirectly through the states.
Hu
We have a deficit right now of nearly $1.6 trillion.
The Feds are arguing about cutting expenses by $100 billion.
Poor Japan with its Fukushima nuclear nightmare, they are not in a position now to buy any more U.S. debt.
Online gambling just might be a good remedy to the United States debt problem, if the Feds don't try to gobble it up for their earmarks and pork bellies.
This new D.C. Mayor (Vincent Gray) reminds me of Vincent Price for some reason.
Attachments
Don't take it personally....I speak to all voters when I use that term, SUCKER.
ANYONE who votes is a sucker....and the biggest part of the problem. THE problem is the concept of statism, per se. It is invalid, immoral, unworkable as you said, and is mean, rotten to the core and IT NEVER WORKS.
All I'm doing is pointing out the big gun in the room....and yet I get blamed over and over again for having done NOTHING to harm others but to simply indentify the harmful ones and their supporter (the suckers).
Sorry you're upset about it. THE probem is not my fault; the highlighting of THE problem is. You're looking at the wrong guy to blame for it. In this case, I'm using ridicule. I've used every technique I can think of to wake up those who support their own slavery and entrapment. Thanks for responding....it really helps me focus my efforts better...really.
Jeff Livingston
Red Rep Time!!!
JAM,
I've never even remotely considered red repping you before but that was just cruel! Vincent Price has been one of my favorite actors since coming home from school and watching the afternoon horror movie. Great in horror movies, great comedy, absolutely love The Raven with him Bela and Peter Lorre, and did pretty good as a serious actor. Comparing a politician to him is just deeply deeply wrong! I guess I'll admit I'm laughing as I type this but Boris, Bela, and Vincent were the big three of horror movies that I watched as a young'n.
I still remember my first horror movie, The House of Wax, with Vincent Price. It was so scary that I hid behind a big arm chair to watch it. Didn't help any that it was 2AM and I was living in a huge haunted antebellum home at the time.
Hu
We have a deficit right now of nearly $1.6 trillion.
The Feds are arguing about cutting expenses by $100 billion.
Poor Japan with its Fukushima nuclear nightmare, they are not in a position now to buy any more U.S. debt.
Online gambling just might be a good remedy to the United States debt problem, if the Feds don't try to gobble it up for their earmarks and pork bellies.
This new D.C. Mayor (Vincent Gray) reminds me of Vincent Price for some reason.
JAM,
I've never even remotely considered red repping you before but that was just cruel! Vincent Price has been one of my favorite actors since coming home from school and watching the afternoon horror movie. Great in horror movies, great comedy, absolutely love The Raven with him Bela and Peter Lorre, and did pretty good as a serious actor. Comparing a politician to him is just deeply deeply wrong! I guess I'll admit I'm laughing as I type this but Boris, Bela, and Vincent were the big three of horror movies that I watched as a young'n.
I still remember my first horror movie, The House of Wax, with Vincent Price. It was so scary that I hid behind a big arm chair to watch it. Didn't help any that it was 2AM and I was living in a huge haunted antebellum home at the time.
Hu
Tee-hee. :grin-square:
The new D.C. mayor used to be the head of the D.C. Council, so he's very much into the D.C. political scene.
D.C. has not been able to get representation in Congress for years. We pay taxes just like everybody else, but yet we have no representation. Every time a bill goes up, it gets shot down. Last time, I think it was a Representative from Texas who wouldn't agree to let D.C. have representation.
I am not sure if D.C. will get the online gambling, but if they do, it would improve things for our economy here.
The last mayor, I met him, and he seemed hands-on, even though he was younger than my daughter at that time, but there was some scuttlebutt about him and domestic violence as it pertains to his wife and how the police lady who came on the scene squashed it. She later became chief of police under his mayoral administration.
And the mayor before that, well, everybody knows Marion Barry. :embarrassed2:
Speaking of which, I have about 4 more hours of work to do before I can even start to get my taxes done. Talk about procrastination. Sign me "Last-Minute JAM."
Taxation without representation in D.C., and I still gotta pay 'em.
Last edited: