Marco Teutcher forfeit vs Deuel

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Did anyone catch that? It looked to me like Corey called a quadruple combo, then got up and reevaluated the table, then changed his mind and shot at a hanging ball. Marco then gets up and said he had called a combo. Then Leyman comes over, calls in favor of Corey, and Teutcher forfeits.

The score was 6-6 going to 8. Corey may not have gotten out from his position either.
 
Yes it was going to be a bit tricky on his last ball. Even though Marco raked the balls it looked like they still shook hands? Marco out ranked Corey on Fargo in a 6 to 6 match/ race to 8.
Seemed like it got me my drama fix for today.;)
 
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Looks to me like it was pretty clear that Corey changed his mind and decided to shoot the ball in the side. Wonder why Marco was so bent out of shape and forfeited the whole match. Corey still had to win that game and another to win the match

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easy-e said:
Did anyone catch that? It looked to me like Corey called a quadruple combo, then got up and reevaluated the table, then changed his mind and shot at a hanging ball. Marco then gets up and said he had called a combo. Then Leyman comes over, calls in favor of Corey, and Teutcher forfeits.

The score was 6-6 going to 8. Corey may not have gotten out from his position either.
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Thanks. I wondered what the squabble was about. Score was 6-6...crazy that Teucher quit. He still had a good chance..
 
scoring has been wrong in every single match i've seen though, and the commentator is often talking about something else
 
easy-e said:
Yeah, he's the worst. But what does that have to do with Teutcher forfeiting?
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there have been plenty of conceding matches at scores 6-something. when in reality was 7-someting, so game rack. anyway, i watched the end of this match now and looks like marco was wrong, hotheaded and displayed poor sportsmanship. you are allowed to change your mind, and that shot was obvious
 
skogstokig said:
there have been plenty of conceding matches at scores 6-something. when in reality was 7-someting, so game rack. anyway, i watched the end of this match now and looks like marco was wrong, hotheaded and displayed poor sportsmanship. you are allowed to change your mind, and that shot was obvious
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Just the baggage that comes with call shot games.

Obvious is not the standard. If you call one shot and make another, no matter how obvious it is what you intended, you subject yourself to potential trouble.

In ten-ball, it's a little different, for you must always shoot toward the lowest numbered ball. In eight ball, however, there can be numerous possibilities.

Those who favor call shot games don't seem to favor calling their shots.
 
sjm said:
Just the baggage that comes with call shot games.

Obvious is not the standard. If you call one shot and make another, no matter how obvious it is what you intended, you subject yourself to potential trouble.

In ten-ball, it's a little different, for you must always shoot toward the lowest numbered ball. In eight ball, however, there can be numerous possibilities.

Those who favor call shot games don't seem to favor calling their shots.
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myeh, but you have to be a real nit to do what teutscher did here or jayson did vs earl in that steinway 14.1 championship. they know better.
 
Very reminiscent of nits calling a straight in 8 ball shot because the player didn't mark their pocket.

You see that a lot in APA.

The amateur league.
 
I’m sorry but when I see a player do this, on such an obvious shot, it just screams candy-azz to me no matter who’s playing. Not personally attacking the player, but just a candy-azz move. The TD should have just told him to leave his man card at the bar and call his mom for a ride home!
 
skogstokig said:
myeh, but you have to be a real nit to do what teutscher did here or jayson did vs earl in that steinway 14.1 championship. they know better.
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I was there and I thought Jayson was in the right at Steinway. Earlier in the same match, Earl called the wrong ball, pocketed it, and in the presence of a referee who wasn't paying any attention, Jayson told Earl it was OK and Earl continued to shoot. When the second instance of this occurred, again in the presence of a referee who wasn't paying attention, Jayson had seen enough and took exception. The ruling for Earl in this semifinal was so inappropriate that I didn't even bother watching the final.
 
sjm said:
I was there and I thought Jayson was in the right at Steinway. Earlier in the same match, Earl called the wrong ball, pocketed it, and in the presence of a referee who wasn't paying any attention, Jayson told Earl it was OK and Earl continued to shoot. When the second instance of this occurred, again in the presence of a referee who wasn't paying attention, Jayson had seen enough and took exception. The ruling for Earl in this semifinal was so inappropriate that I didn't even bother watching the final.
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I had always wondered what happened earlier in the match. Thanks for filling in that part of the story for me. I asked Jayson about it once when I first started to get to know him and couldn't understand what he was saying because of his accent and the few drinks I had had at that point in the evening. lol
 
7stud said:
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Under what rule book would Teutscher have won his argument?
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None, but the point is that failure to call or to call inaccurately in call shot games sometimes leads to contentious situations. I've probably been on hand for about twenty of them in pro events. The matter of what is "obvious" can sometimes require a judgment call on the part of the referee.

By the way, I have not offered an opinion on the Teutscher situation, only taken note that call shot games tend to bring about arguments at all levels of play. Thankfully, these arguments aren't very numerous, but they are not found at all in snooker, nine ball or three cushion, games in which one need not pre-announce one's intentions. In fact, English 8-ball does not require calling of shots. Nor, for that matter does one-pocket.
 
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sjm said:
None, but the point is that failure to call or to call inaccurately in call shot games sometimes leads to contentious situations. I've probably been on hand for about twenty of them in pro events. The matter of what is "obvious" can sometimes require a judgment call on the part of the referee.

By the way, I have not offered on opinion on the Teutscher situation, only taken note that call shot games tend to bring about arguments at all levels of play. Thankfully, these arguments aren't very numerous, but they are not found at all in snooker, nine ball or three cushion, games in which one need not pre-announce one's intentions. In fact, English 8-ball does not require calling of shots. Nor, for that matter does one-pocket.
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So, why don't pros call all their shots in call shot? Does it take one contentious situation in their careers to reform them into calling everything? Or, is it considered "uncool" to call every shot?

Is there a reason that the governing bodies don't change call shot rules to make every shot a mandatory call? I know that wouldn't solve all the issues because players like Teutscher would argue that the opponent didn't call it loudly enough or the gesture towards the pocket wasn't clear; or in the case of Mika, "I called it! I called 9-ball! I said 9-ball! I didn't say it out loud, but I called 9-ball!

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7stud said:
So, why don't pros call all their shots in call shot? Does it take one contentious situation in their careers to reform them into calling everything? Or, is it considered "uncool" to call every shot?

Is there a reason that the governing bodies don't change call shot rules to make every shot a mandatory call? I know that wouldn't solve all the issues because players like Teutscher would argue that the opponent didn't call it loudly enough or the gesture towards the pocket wasn't clear; or in the case of Mika, "I called it! I called 9-ball! I said 9-ball! I didn't say it out loud, but I called 9-ball!
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Nice post, and you've framed the matter well.

The players don't call all their shots because it keeps the game moving. As we saw in the straight pool era, in which every single shot was called and then the call was repeated by the referee, the game moved too slowly and this, along with other reasons, spelt the end of the straight pool era. Call shot is extremely fan unfriendly when every shot is called.

In pro pool, call shot rules have been rare enough in recent year that the governing bodies haven't had to spend much time on them, but you can be sure that they remember how slow straight pool was and don't want to go there again. They are willing to sacrifice a little precision in adjudicating the game in order to keep the game moving along, and their view is certainly reasonable.
 
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