Marpo
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Finally!
Somebody responded.
I guess that says it all.
And they wonder why this sub-forum is on life support.
There is a shot Bill plays that I know gets screwed up all the time.
Lots of folks will try to get straight on this shot so they can stop it there.
too hard.
Bill plays it perfect, I think. He makes no attempt to get straight, and has about half the table to get the angle on the key ball, I person would have to try to mess it up this way.
thx for the video.
steven
3 mins 20 secs is a good place to start.
Lots of folks will try to get straight on this shot so they can stop it there.
too hard.
Bill plays it perfect, I think. He makes no attempt to get straight, and has about half the table to get the angle on the key ball, I person would have to try to mess it up this way.
thx for the video.
steven
3 mins 20 secs is a good place to start.
John beat that into my head a few years back. Trying to get straight in and crossing the line is the worst possible thing you can do, always error to the short side. Good eye for noticing...
Yeah, that same shot is in one of the Rempe, How to videos. Cue ball goes up to the top rail and half way back down. Sometimes one rail, sometimes two.
Marpo ... he's too good.
I'm curious about this particular shot (the 8 ball at 3:35). The danger of course is that you come off the side rail too high and get on the wrong side of the key ball. You shoot so quickly it is hard to know what you've considered and what you haven't. Do you just automatically go for the shot you did without hesitation? I can't tell if you considered coming off the side rail and determined that it was definitely going to be too high or not.
I can't see the exact angle on the video, but it seems to me if I determined that the cue ball will hit the side rail about 1 ball diameter above the second diamond, then I am going to take that route instead, possibly with a touch of inside to keep it from rebounding too high. It seems worthy of a careful look because the position play is so much easier and will result in a better break into the next rack. I should add that I would only do this if I am SURE where the cue ball is going to hit that side rail.
I never considered going to the side rail with the angle I had, my only concern was not getting on the wrong side of the key ball. Trying to kill the cue ball with inside and have it traveling further was never a consideration. I try to keep it as simple as possible. The shot I chose had a wide margin of error with the speed as long as I don't get on the wrong side of the key ball. If I would have ended up a six inches shorter it would not have mattered as I would still be able to pocket the the key ball and go up and down the table, a foot to long would probable have ended the run.
Whenever I tried to get straight in I would hardly ever get there, John said never try to get straight in always play short, its not worth the risk.
-Bill
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Sounds like the voice of experience.
I guess it looked to me like there could be a natural angle for the cue ball to rebound to a good spot for the key ball in the side. But, as usual, I can't really see the angle to know for sure.
Thanks!
Nice run sir,
I thought the same thing that Dan did at first. After reading your explanation, what you said makes a lot of sense and I will try to incorporate the concept into my own game. Coming short rather than trying to be perfect.
Thanks for posting, and I enjoyed everyone's comments
I thought the same thing that Dan did at first. After reading your explanation, what you said makes a lot of sense and I will try to incorporate the concept into my own game. Coming short rather than trying to be perfect.
Thanks for posting, and I enjoyed everyone's comments
Very nice run Bill as always. Your table really plays well. A little more draw on that ball and you most likely would still be up at the table as good as you were pocketing balls ....... Keep up the great playing.
Bill (and anybody else) - I've got another one for you. Here's a shot I like, but maybe you (and John?) don't:
https://vimeo.com/90768790
Go to 13:00 where you are shooting the 13 in the corner. It looks to me like you have a great opportunity to separate (not break!) the 6 and 10 with the 4 as your safety ball. I think you are safer hitting the 6 before the 10 and not the other way around, so just a smidge of outside english could assure that. Even if you hit the 10 and then the 6, I think your cloth is fast enough that the 6 would probably clear out enough to get out of the way of the 4.
So, this is not a break shot so much as a position play on the 4 that has the benefit of moving some of the cluster balls maybe 6 to 12 inches. IMO, it is low enough risk, and the reward nice enough that it is warranted.
You recovered beautifully after coming up a tad short, and ran the rest of the rack very nicely.
Comments?
https://vimeo.com/90768790
Go to 13:00 where you are shooting the 13 in the corner. It looks to me like you have a great opportunity to separate (not break!) the 6 and 10 with the 4 as your safety ball. I think you are safer hitting the 6 before the 10 and not the other way around, so just a smidge of outside english could assure that. Even if you hit the 10 and then the 6, I think your cloth is fast enough that the 6 would probably clear out enough to get out of the way of the 4.
So, this is not a break shot so much as a position play on the 4 that has the benefit of moving some of the cluster balls maybe 6 to 12 inches. IMO, it is low enough risk, and the reward nice enough that it is warranted.
You recovered beautifully after coming up a tad short, and ran the rest of the rack very nicely.
Comments?
I never even considered it, I was trying to get higher on the 4 ball so I could go 1 rail to the 2 and then break the cluster with the 3. By under hitting the 13 I messed up the entire pattern I was trying to execute. That's why I build race engines for a living and leave the pool playing to John, lol...
-Bill
I like your shot, too. No risk. safety ball there. separate the 6 and 10 and the few balls above.
Easier than playing shape on three balls to get to a break.
Someone messed up Bill's name on here about 4 years ago and ever since then, that is what I have been calling him.
great minds think alike. :wink:
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=175343&highlight=MARPO
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Funny. I read though that whole thread. There's actually some good advice in it.
Dan I like your shot at 13:00 too. I wanted to watch it all week but haven't had the time to just sit down at the computer. A smooth draw should open those balls up.
If you have the time could you take a look at some of my recent videos? I know there are probably a bag full of mistakes you could comment on. Sparkle has been helping me a lot and I really appreciate his help and comments, as I would appreciate your comments.
If you have the time could you take a look at some of my recent videos? I know there are probably a bag full of mistakes you could comment on. Sparkle has been helping me a lot and I really appreciate his help and comments, as I would appreciate your comments.
Huh. That's interesting. I reread my original post and it didn't occur to me that I needed to specify that the cue ball was coming off the bottom rail, rather than this being a draw shot.
Reread my post with coming off the bottom rail in mind. I wouldn't shoot this with draw for a couple of reasons:
1. Don't force the cue ball around the table when you can let the cue ball go where it wants to go. In this case, it wants to hit the bottom rail and go into the 6 and 10. I'd prefer a hit on the 6 to assure a good shot on the 4. Note: you have to know your angles off the rail to be able to execute this shot confidently.
The draw shot is more touchy, and highly dependent on the exact angle we have on the 13 ball. You can often get stuck when you draw into a cluster due to the spin on the cue ball causing it to "burrow in."
2. Look at the direction the cue ball is going when it hits the 6/10 in both instances. Remember, the priority is to have a shot on the 4 above all else, and getting a little spread of the cluster at the same time. When you draw the cue ball it will be going to the left and potentially right at the 4 ball depending on where it hits the 6. If you come off the bottom rail, the cue ball is going away from the 4, moving the balls out of the way of your shot on the 4.
It's a good trick if you are really interested to set up the balls as shown in the video, and put hole reinforcers where all the balls are. Then shoot it both ways a couple of times and see what you get.
I'm certainly no expert but I'll look at your videos. :thumbup: