Mass Shooting At Maine Pool Hall & Bowling Alley
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I will say it once more and then be done with it. In this country we have created a culture that promotes gun violence, through our film and TV media, through our videogame devices and even in our advertising media. It does not surprise me in the least that the use of guns for violent purposes is prevalent here. For some impressionable young minds it can seem like a logical choice when all else fails.
I'm an old school kid who grew up in the Midwest, where we learned how to shoot a .22 rifle before we were teens. I was taught with a single shot .22 that I had to load to fire each bullet. The first thing I was taught and reminded me of over and over again was to never point a gun at anything I was not ready to shoot. And NEVER EVER point it at a person! And I was instilled with the knowledge of how much firepower a gun had, to be extra careful at all times when using one.
That said, in my adult life as a poolroom/bar owner Mr. Smith and Mr. Wesson were my best friends a couple of times, when real life gangsters wanted to cut in on my business. It was the one language they understood. Prior to that Ms. Browning kept me safe when wandering into strange surroundings in search of a pool game. With her behind me I knew I always had a way out.
P.S. Vietnam era, but never in combat.
I'm an old school kid who grew up in the Midwest, where we learned how to shoot a .22 rifle before we were teens. I was taught with a single shot .22 that I had to load to fire each bullet. The first thing I was taught and reminded me of over and over again was to never point a gun at anything I was not ready to shoot. And NEVER EVER point it at a person! And I was instilled with the knowledge of how much firepower a gun had, to be extra careful at all times when using one.
That said, in my adult life as a poolroom/bar owner Mr. Smith and Mr. Wesson were my best friends a couple of times, when real life gangsters wanted to cut in on my business. It was the one language they understood. Prior to that Ms. Browning kept me safe when wandering into strange surroundings in search of a pool game. With her behind me I knew I always had a way out.
P.S. Vietnam era, but never in combat.
No you can't. Have you ever loaded a revolver. John Wayne never had to reload on the big screen. You got to take the empties out of the cylinder, then you need to load every chamber individually. Unless you have half moon clips. That's still 2 reloads guided into those chambers. Not easy. We used to shoot a 10 shot rapid fire in 60 seconds with a reload 5 + 5 at 200yds with a rifle and stripper clip. Trying to hit the center of the target. That would take about 55 seconds. I bet you can't do 18 and won't hit shit.
JABSolstice
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No, he doesn't. He's not trying to take away or further restrict anyone's right to own a firearm.
Half moon clips? Are you from the 1940's? Obviously there are speedloaders for any modern double action revolver and the empties are all ejected with a single push of the ejector rod. I have no idea why you are suddenly 200 yards away with John Wayne and why you think you know anything about my handgun skills.
I don't know if 3 minutes is possible but for me (it probably is if I had enough speedloaders ready to go), but I can promise you it would be easy for most competitive shooters .
Here's 16 shots (two 8 round cylinders with a reload using a speedloader in between) in 4 seconds...do the math.
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Things have progressed a little bit in the last 70 years…
RT Ford
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I'm not sure I understand. You confronted gangsters that wanted to take over your business, but you 'NEVER EVER' pointed a gun at them?
Jay. You will get a kick out of this
I went to a public high school and we had a mandatory ROTC program for all the boys from their sophomore year forward.
We also had a rifle range in the school! All 22 caliber, but we loved it. I got my first 22 at age 10 followed up with a side by side 12 gauge at the age of 12.
The best times in America are well behind us now!
The above video he is accurate as could be although he is one of the best in the world. Also the speed you think the semis allow amateur shooters would only be getting lead out the barrel for amateurs, it still takes skill to be accurate. Benchrest shooters can put 5 rounds into a the .1 to .2 inch hole in around 10 seconds with a single shot bolt action. There are fclass guys that can and will put a 20 round string in the xring at 1000yds in under a minute with their single shot bolt action. You should also see how fast Gerry from the video and daughter can shoot and reload a shotgun.
How about a little more detail. Questions from earlier: What years were you in the service? Were you drafted or enlisted? Where were you deployed after basic training as a (cough, cough) paratrooper? Were you in Viet Nam? When were you discharged? Was this before college or after college? What guns were issued to you and practiced with?
Here's something that just doesn't make sense. You said that you were always a good shot with a rifle. Who taught you how to shoot and what caliber rifle was it? What age did you start shooting? Later, you were still a good marksman with a rifle.
You don't become good at anything, especially guns, if you just flat out don't enjoy what you're doing and having fun.
Guns are your friend, not the enemy as they now are every time the subject comes up.
How did you morph from someone who was quite involved with shooting regularly to become proficient, to someone who
is totally opposed to guns of any kind and those who wish to own them for the sport AND self-protection plus family protection to a negative hard liner completely opposed to their existence as well as the NRA? When and where did it all
go wrong?
That's NOT your place to do it, here or anywhere. Garczar and I clash heads often, (hey, it's part of the fun), but he made
a very astute point and post in #161 and hit the nail right on the head. I agree 100%. Don't forget to answer the questions
above so your "facts" don't become more dubious.
Remember when the lever action was invented? It was referred to as an "assult weapon" by groups that of people that didn't like them. Yes, the word assult did exist in the English language when it came on the scene. The Confederates referred to it as a "rifle that could be loaded on Sunday and shot all week long".
But it was because of bad actors that use them for evil. Read history. A BB gun could be referred to as an assault weapon if you find a way to justify the definition.
You served your country. Even if you were not in combat, you did more then I could do. I had/have bad knees. Thank you for your service.
You are absolutely correct. Hollywood is one of the staunchest supporters of gun control, but they have no problem using them to make money. Bunch of two faced hacks.
I believe it would be the same. AAMOF, I think they would be appalled by the actions that the people allow the government to get away with. They new the future would bring advancement it technology, just as we know it today. They couldn't envision automobiles, but they seen new machines being invented, and new the future could hold any array of advancement. These men were not stupid.
Remember, they were at war with the British. Who of which DID disarm the citizenry in the areas they occupied. The founders also said we don't have to be forced to harbor soldiers in our homes. Isn't that still a good idea today? Is free speech still a good idea? The powers that be are trying to quench that even today. What about the right to unlawful search and seizure? Another tactic used be the British. You see, the founders were far more educated the most people today. As a matter of fact, they had nore common sense then 90% of people today. They weren't pegans.
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I just learned 6 shooters are now 8. lol...
Typical Pat Johnson put-down and DEFLECTION and he even managed to do it without a stupid ass 2D drawing.
How about some answers to the questions? Right now, your story screams of bullshit. Prove it.
Ya not all revolvers are 6 shot, some are more and some are only 5 shot.
If you're referring to revolvers, they can be 5, 6, 7, and now 8. Or you can get a Glock 9mm pistol with an
extended magazine holding 33+1. I don't have the 8. (yet)
my point was that rifles are rarely used in crimes. there's roughly 30million AR-style rifles in circulation that are owned/used responsibly on a daily basis. some idiot goes postal with one and they want to do away with all of them. they tried that once before and gun crime rate didn't change one iota. if they altered the HIPAA laws so a quik mental health chek could be done a lot of this shit would not happen.It might be a little hard to take out 20 or so people at a pool hall with a blunt object, Almost everyone playing has a blunt object in their hand. However, I don't see myself defending with my Tascarella.
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