Matlock vs Keith

I simply expressed the opinion that I think David is an all around better player then Keith. Then and now. I also suggested that we would stake David in a game. No insults were given. That is not a bad thing. Keith mentioned he has no interest in playing. So that is clear. Keith was one of the best, no one is disputing that but in my opinion, David was/is the better player and I was willing to bet on it. No one ever assassinated his character. Not one bit. There are no demigods in the pool world. I was worried about my contributions to this thread. I was worried that I was making enemies but looks like Jam is the one with the new enemies just because they stated different opinions than Jam. Jam has called me names and insulted my character but you notice I didn't do the same. See, I'm not such a bad guy-- I just wanted to stake David!!

Once again, let's remind the readers of this thread how many times you bring up this topic about Keith McCready since your membership to this forum:

Matlock is tired of all the lies

Keith would have crushed them.

How good was Dave Matlock?

Keith vs. Matlock on a barbox

Keith McCready

Best bartable player with the big rock

Who is the best barbox table player in the USA
 
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Once again, let's remind the readers of this thread how many times you bring up this topic about Keith McCready since your membership to this forum:

Matlock is tired of all the lies

Keith would have crushed them.

How good was Dave Matlock?

Keith vs. Matlock on a barbox

Keith McCready

Best bartable player with the big rock

Who is the best barbox table player in the USA

Am I missing something? Those threads are started by different people - and mentioning a matchup seven times in six years is hardly excessive.
 
Had to wake up one more time to read this again. I'm really getting tired of it.

About Dallas, maybe David won 6,000, but I know for a fact, Will was betting 800 to 1,100 a game on the rail. I know he was betting Sonny 500, and that was just one bet of several. Does David remember that? I guess he doesn't remember that, just like he doesn't remember losing to me at the Maverick Club. Does he even remember who ran the tournament over there at the Maverick Club? I can tell you who staked me and everything.

Do you know how many times I have played for the center money and there was five or six times the amount won on the side? I stopped that after the second or third time that happened to me. I don't play for everybody else anymore. Win 4,000 and the rail wins 20,000? It's a bunch of bullshi*t. Well, that's what happened with the David game in Dallas at Sonny's private home.

And it was a gaffe table. Every time I broke the balls for hours and hours and hours, nothing went in. Very seldom I made a ball. Cueball going straight up in the air, squatting perfect, and nothing went in. David did the same thing, three and four balls fly in every game. I proved my point when we went to neutral equipment, and I don't even know if David really remembers that, but that's okay.

For David to say we played 5 hours, that's not right either. We played much longer than that. I remember sitting with Will and Weldon Rogers talking about it for weeks after that. David might have won 6,000, but we definitely lost way more than 6,000.

I'm not taking anything away from David for winning, so let's get that straight, Rusty and Clint. I just don't like guys coming on here, trying to create this bullsh*t. I've never had a problem losing to anybody. You guys want to come on here and try to start trouble talking about something that happened back 20, 25 years ago?

You want me to play David some more right now in Olathe? Just tell him I play poker now. Does he want to play some head-up? I'll play him some.

If I come out and play some pool, I will come out and play for fun. I'll try to beat somebody. Don't get me wrong, but it's not going to break the bank. I would love to do what I used to do, be in combat every day, muscle up and play anybody and everybody that walked. I would love to be able to do that again. It's not in my heart anymore. It's too much of a wearing-down operation, and there's no money in it. I can sit down at home, play my tournaments online poker, play cash games, and don't have to deal with pool detectives like yourself. That's one big reason why I'm away from pool.

If David wants to clear up anything, he can call me himself.

I am going to say that David was a great player in his prime. He had some gears, and I'm not going to ever try to take anything away from him, like you guys have for me. I respect David with all my heart, and like I said before, I hope he's doing well. And I know he is.

Great post...Keith don't let has-beens and never was' drag you down.Aside from these couple of dopes we all know how strong your game was and most wish we had half of your talent. JAM the old internet rule applies here don't Feed the Trolls. Your in a Battle of Wits with unarmed men:grin-square:
 
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Am I missing something? Those threads are started by different people - and mentioning a matchup seven times in six years is hardly excessive.

Once again, my dear SakuJack, it is essential read threads in order to ascertain the answer.
 
Once again, my dear SakuJack, it is essential read threads in order to ascertain the answer.

I'm not rereading through 17 pages to "ascertain the answer".

Either way, seven times in six years is nothing. And I'm surprised that you of all people deem it appropriate to criticise someone for banging on about the same topic.
 
I'm not rereading through 17 pages to "ascertain the answer".

Either way, seven times in six years is nothing. And I'm surprised that you of all people deem it appropriate to criticise someone for banging on about the same topic.

Once again, SakuJack, it was over 40 times, but you must read through the threads to know this. It makes you look odd when you reply without all the facts.

Instead of replying to you further, since your intentions are obvious, I think I will take TheKiss' kind advice and quit feeding you.

But I will leave you with this. Here you go, SakuJack. Enjoy! :smile:
 

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Once again, SakuJack, it was over 40 times, but you must read through the threads before you post.

Instead of replying to you further, since your intentions are obvious, I think I will take TheKiss' kind advice and quit feedin you.

But I will leave you with this. Here you go, SakuJack. Enjoy! :smile:

It's contained within seven threads, though, no?

Shall I go through those threads and count up the number of posts you've made on this topic? I'm pretty sure you beat 40 with your recent "Bonus Ball is a Canadian scourge on the American pool dream!" crusade, and that was in a matter of weeks.

From what I can see he's just responding to threads on the topic of the best bar table players, often when this particular matchup (or at least the players involved) is mentioned first. I don't see anything wrong with that. I don't think you would either if it didn't concern your significant other.
 
Uh, I'm his wife.

OK, is the David/Keith/who-was-better/buzzer-table/who's-a-troll/etc. stuff over now? Can we get on to something more current?

Did you and Keith really get married? Was this the first public announcement? Or do you just kind of mean psychologically married? If you did tie the knot, when and where? And, if so, congratulations!
 
OK, is the David/Keith/who-was-better/buzzer-table/who's-a-troll/etc. stuff over now? Can we get on to something more current?

Did you and Keith really get married? Was this the first public announcement? Or do you just kind of mean psychologically married? If you did tie the knot, when and where? And, if so, congratulations!

You are like a human computer, like Data on Star Trek you NEVER miss a fact. :-)
 
Had to wake up one more time to read this again. I'm really getting tired of it.

About Dallas, maybe David won 6,000, but I know for a fact, Will was betting 800 to 1,100 a game on the rail. I know he was betting Sonny 500, and that was just one bet of several. Does David remember that? I guess he doesn't remember that, just like he doesn't remember losing to me at the Maverick Club. Does he even remember who ran the tournament over there at the Maverick Club? I can tell you who staked me and everything.

Do you know how many times I have played for the center money and there was five or six times the amount won on the side? I stopped that after the second or third time that happened to me. I don't play for everybody else anymore. Win 4,000 and the rail wins 20,000? It's a bunch of bullshi*t. Well, that's what happened with the David game in Dallas at Sonny's private home.

And it was a gaffe table. Every time I broke the balls for hours and hours and hours, nothing went in. Very seldom I made a ball. Cueball going straight up in the air, squatting perfect, and nothing went in. David did the same thing, three and four balls fly in every game. I proved my point when we went to neutral equipment, and I don't even know if David really remembers that, but that's okay.

For David to say we played 5 hours, that's not right either. We played much longer than that. I remember sitting with Will and Weldon Rogers talking about it for weeks after that. David might have won 6,000, but we definitely lost way more than 6,000.

I'm not taking anything away from David for winning, so let's get that straight, Rusty and Clint. I just don't like guys coming on here, trying to create this bullsh*t. I've never had a problem losing to anybody. You guys want to come on here and try to start trouble talking about something that happened back 20, 25 years ago?

You want me to play David some more right now in Olathe? Just tell him I play poker now. Does he want to play some head-up? I'll play him some.

If I come out and play some pool, I will come out and play for fun. I'll try to beat somebody. Don't get me wrong, but it's not going to break the bank. I would love to do what I used to do, be in combat every day, muscle up and play anybody and everybody that walked. I would love to be able to do that again. It's not in my heart anymore. It's too much of a wearing-down operation, and there's no money in it. I can sit down at home, play my tournaments online poker, play cash games, and don't have to deal with pool detectives like yourself. That's one big reason why I'm away from pool.

If David wants to clear up anything, he can call me himself.

I am going to say that David was a great player in his prime. He had some gears, and I'm not going to ever try to take anything away from him, like you guys have for me. I respect David with all my heart, and like I said before, I hope he's doing well. And I know he is.

Your the one that needs to call and apologize to David,for making up that wild story about pushing a button,and all balls go flying in the hole like some cartoon.David does'nt know why your making up these wild stories,but wishes you would stop.
 
Your the one that needs to call and apologize to David,for making up that wild story about pushing a button,and all balls go flying in the hole like some cartoon.David does'nt know why your making up these wild stories,but wishes you would stop.

And Keith wishes you and your buddy Clint would quit demeaning him as a pool player. If you want to root for the hometeam, fine, but don't do it at the expense of putting down another person. Keith has *never* done that to David Matlock. Keith wishes David's buddies would quit trying to promote him. David's legacy should speak for itself.
 
Your the one that needs to call and apologize to David,for making up that wild story about pushing a button,and all balls go flying in the hole like some cartoon.David does'nt know why your making up these wild stories,but wishes you would stop.

And while you're at it, remind David that when Keith and he eventually got to play on neutral equipment, not on the Dallas gaffe table, Keith barbecued him in a 10-ahead set in less than an hour.

The Dallas location was Team Matlock's choice, not Team McCready's.
 
Your the one that needs to call and apologize to David,for making up that wild story about pushing a button,and all balls go flying in the hole like some cartoon.David does'nt know why your making up these wild stories,but wishes you would stop.

I might have missed it but can someone please explain how you can rig a table to break better for one player than the other?

Cheers.
 
Tommy Sanders played out of Texas, Jimmy Sanders played out of the Guy's N Dolls in Shreveport, Ask Buddy Hall

David

I agree with this. I've heard of Jimmy, and always heard he was from Louisiana. I definitely know Tommy's history, and he is from Texas and still lives here.
 
Your the one that needs to call and apologize to David,for making up that wild story about pushing a button,and all balls go flying in the hole like some cartoon.David does'nt know why your making up these wild stories,but wishes you would stop.

I'm not stopping about anything. That table was a gaffe table, and I'm sticking to my guns. One time, he made seven balls on the break. I'm not saying he couldn't win. He did win. But I did play him after that and dusted him off.

It's funny you come on here, what you were complaining about, saying we only played 5 hours, which is a joke. Second of all, the other part of it is that David says we only lost 6,000. That's another joke. If David can tell me that all we lost was 6,000, then there's really something wrong here. I already admitted that David won 6,000 in the center. We were betting 800 to 1100 a game on the rail, and we never quit betting until all sets were done with. Does he remember that? We had a piece of paper and a pencil with all the people who were betting, so we could keep track. We paid off after every set and never lowered the bet one time. Yeah, he beat me that one time gambling, but you need to get the money right.

And just for your information, this thread is about when smoebody was in their prime. If he wanted to play me in the late '70s, early '80s, why didn't he Charlie-car his ass over to California where he could have probably won 100,000? He didn't.

I kind of think David doesn't even know about this thread. The facts aren't right.

I know for a fact that Weldon Rogers was a real good friend of C.J. Wiley's, and Weldon was in contact with C.J. during the game and after the game. C.J. should know the right numbers or has a ball-park figure, and it wasn't 6,000 that was lost in that game. If David can tell me that, then God bless him.

If David so desires to discuss this pool game, he can call me himself. I have nothing but nice things to say about David, yet his buddies want to take my opinion and what I have to say and just totally disregard it, like I wasn't even there or something. Well, let's not forget I was there. I was playing. They weren't even there. And the only ones on this thread that were there was me.

Me and David have never had bad words with each other as long as we've lived. Can't understand why Rusty and Clint are David's mouthpieces. Just doesn't make sense. If David and I were to see each other, we'd probably shake each other's hands, ask how each other has been, and would probably wish each of us well. Wouldn't be saying none of this sh*t. You guys are trying to promote a game that is not there.

I played at Sonny Springer's house in Dallas, and Sonny later told me that it was a gaffe table. And I'm sticking to it.

Why don't you guys try to hustle David another game, and I'll hustle my own games. Thank you very much.

Earthquake out.
 
I'm not stopping about anything. That table was a gaffe table, and I'm sticking to my guns. One time, he made seven balls on the break. I'm not saying he couldn't win. He did win. But I did play him after that and dusted him off.

It's funny you come on here, what you were complaining about, saying we only played 5 hours, which is a joke. Second of all, the other part of it is that David says we only lost 6,000. That's another joke. If David can tell me that all we lost was 6,000, then there's really something wrong here. I already admitted that David won 6,000 in the center. We were betting 800 to 1100 a game on the rail, and we never quit betting until all sets were done with. Does he remember that? We had a piece of paper and a pencil with all the people who were betting, so we could keep track. We paid off after every set and never lowered the bet one time. Yeah, he beat me that one time gambling, but you need to get the money right.

And just for your information, this thread is about when smoebody was in their prime. If he wanted to play me in the late '70s, early '80s, why didn't he Charlie-car his ass over to California where he could have probably won 100,000? He didn't.

I kind of think David doesn't even know about this thread. The facts aren't right.

I know for a fact that Weldon Rogers was a real good friend of C.J. Wiley's, and Weldon was in contact with C.J. during the game and after the game. C.J. should know the right numbers or has a ball-park figure, and it wasn't 6,000 that was lost in that game. If David can tell me that, then God bless him.

If David so desires to discuss this pool game, he can call me himself. I have nothing but nice things to say about David, yet his buddies want to take my opinion and what I have to say and just totally disregard it, like I wasn't even there or something. Well, let's not forget I was there. I was playing. They weren't even there. And the only ones on this thread that were there was me.

Me and David have never had bad words with each other as long as we've lived. Can't understand why Rusty and Clint are David's mouthpieces. Just doesn't make sense. If David and I were to see each other, we'd probably shake each other's hands, ask how each other has been, and would probably wish each of us well. Wouldn't be saying none of this sh*t. You guys are trying to promote a game that is not there.

I played at Sonny Springer's house in Dallas, and Sonny later told me that it was a gaffe table. And I'm sticking to it.

Why don't you guys try to hustle David another game, and I'll hustle my own games. Thank you very much.

Earthquake out.

You got the 8
 
You got the 8

Thanks for the offer. I'll keep it in mind.

I just wish David could have played me with a big cueball on a barbox, a small cueball on a barbox in '76 to '82. Then we could have moved to a big cueball on a 4-by-8 playing 9-ball. Then we could have played with the little cueball playing 10-ball and then with the big cueball playing 10-ball. Then we could have moved to the 4-1/2-by-9 and played a sets of 9-ball, sets of 10-ball, and even one-pocket. It would have been very interesting to see how many sets David would have won from the year '76 to '82. I'd like to hear from you how many you think he would have won. Do you think he would have won them all? Do you think he would have one of them? Do you think he would have won two of them? Do you think he would have won three of them? Do you think he would have won four of them?

My money says he wouldn't have played back in '76 to '82. He might have played one of them, and that would have been with the big cueball. All the other sets, I guess that would be just a matter of opinion, but I know in my heart who would have got the money in most of them.

So that tells me as far as being a better all-around player, I think you better wake up and smell the coffee. I want to see what you have to say about those match-ups, how many you think David would have won. You, not David. I want to hear it from your mouth. I want to just see how smart you really are. Remember, we're the same age.
 
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