Yes, 141 miters in the corner pockets, and 102 miters in the side pockets, 13 degrees down angle.
Maybe more than 1/4 of the balls I miss would fall on a GC
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Yes, 141 miters in the corner pockets, and 102 miters in the side pockets, 13 degrees down angle.
What YOU fail to understand is that all pockets will rattle the balls if the hit with speed against the outer half of the pocket facings, but yes, you can still line up that same 4 ball combination and as long as you fire the first ball into the deepest part of the pocket, without grazing the side rail going in....the ball is going to drop!!! 99% of all ball rattle happens because of contacting a side rail first on the way into the corner pocket, but if you drift a ball into the corner pocket with just pocket speed, you an still graze off a side rail and still pocket the ball. Most every player out there swears their skills are better than the table plays, because they DON'T want to admit the truth, that being they hit the bad!°
Again, that's pointless. There would be no spin on that ball .
And we are not talking just rail shots .
Even about a foot from the side rail, you can hit a ball with outside spin or draw and hit the center of what is available to you and that ball will get spit out .
But, nothing's gonna change. Diamond, WPA or BCA will not listen. It's not that 4.5" is tough. It's that flare that makes it tough . 4 7/16" at 138* would play better .
And I consider that to be a handicap to assist the weaker players so they can try competing against the better players, if the 141 miter angles work well with the Pros today, why change except to help weaker players!!!
By opening up the throat of the pocket, making it wider, the result is it causes balls to deflect deeper into the throat, making it a bigger pocket, which only helps the weaker players,
And you think the weaker pros are going to start beating the stronger pros because the angles are done correctly ?
They play on new cloth 141. or 138 ain't gonna matter .
When the cloth gets old and the cloth over the facing gets dirty, balls that should go in get spit out .
Nobody at both Hardtimes is winning tournaments against the pros because the pockets are less than 4.5 with less flare .
Never mind that there are only a few hundred "pros" in this world. There are THOUSANDS of shortstops and bangers.
The best players will always prevail regardless of how a pocket is cut or it's size. Pockets giving advantages to weaker or better players is BS imo.
I flat out don't care!! Hit the balls right, they go in, hit them wrong, they don't go in....it's that damn simple!! YOU just want the tables to play easier so the players that don't practice as much as pros do, get a handicap. It's called practice like a Pro, play like a pro....pretty simple if you ask me!!!!
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Try selling your BS to someone else!!!
I had them adjust my pockets to 4 3/8" on my 9 foot Pro-Am. Once I get dialed in on my table, I'm drilling them on a GC. Taught me to take a lot of pepper off my shots, I was getting away with shooting way too firm. I hate it when my opponent shoots a loose one into the rail more than a diamond away from the corner, yet still drops it in...I see that happen on a GC a lot more than well hit shots hanging on a Diamond...Diamond punishes sloppy, way too firm rail shots. Hit them correct and they WILL go down.
I love playing on the blue label diamond pro am. They do play tough. That’s what makes the game fun. I also think they are very fair tables. If you don’t hit the pocket you don’t get it.
A lot of people don't consider the throat of the pocket. They just shim the facings and assume the pocket is a lot tougher. If you really want challenging corner pockets, the shelf/ledge should at be at least 1.5" or deeper, and the facing angle should be around 138° to tighten the throat. Pocket speed becomes a necessity on certain shots under these conditions. :thumbup:
Luckily in Germany we mostly have proper tables.
Even the "noname" ones, like Clash, have deep shelves and rather narrow pockets. No cheating, no shots with too much force, they'll just bounce right in and then out of the pockets.
Was playing on a GC once or twice - the balls kept going in at insane angles, insane speeds and just WANTED to fall.
Not for me it is, no.
Even the "noname" ones, like Clash, have deep shelves and rather narrow pockets. No cheating, no shots with too much force, they'll just bounce right in and then out of the pockets.
Was playing on a GC once or twice - the balls kept going in at insane angles, insane speeds and just WANTED to fall.
Not for me it is, no.
138 does not tighten the throat, it opens it. Here, look at this for example, take a 4 1/2" Pro cut pocket with the miter angles being 141 degrees. If you kept the opening at 4 1/2" but changed the miter angles to 138 degrees, that would actually open the back throat of the pocket by 3/8" of an inch wider, and the miter angles would deflect the balls deeper into...a wider throat, making the pockets bigger, easier to pocket balls in.
Right right.... I got it backwards...wider angle closes throat.
Is 138° standard for Diamonds, or is it 141° ? My corners facings are close to 145°.....tough.
Mark Gregory refinished the GC's at the room I play and there's no chance you can hit a diamond up and have it go in. They play perfect. Rails and pockets. Wes from tampa just recovered them and they roll awesome. Gotta love new cloth! I've played on a few Diamonds over the years but I don't really like them much. I'm sure I could get used to them overtime but they bank different to me. I guess it's just what you're used to.
