Measles cue ball harder to draw???!!!!????
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The measel ball is used where I play the most. It is not at all harder to draw, at least with Centennial set or Aramith Pro set. It is also NOT heavier than blue circle or Centennial balls. The ball does tend to roll a bit more than blue circle or Aramith logo ball. I heard that it is made from same resin as Aramith billiard balls. It does have a slightly different feel but it plays great. I expect the measel ball to become the standard big table ball in a few years.
Martin
Martin
Hal said:
IF it's a fact that it's not harder to draw, why ask for an opinion?Hal said:
I saw Efren play at HT two Sundays ago. He tried to draw the Measles ball on shot. The ball did not draw close to what he wanted. He laughed at it.
He later said he preferred to play with the yellowish cueball ( red circle ). Easier to play position with it he said.
It definitely is harder to draw compared to the red circle cue ball.
Some people hate the red circle, some people love it.
The Measles is the same weight as the centennial ball. 168 grams.
If you're used to the centennial cueball and are using the centennial balls all the time, you prolly wouldn't mind it.
But, the Red Circle does make the 9-ball game easier imo.
It weighs 168 grams Martin. Same as the blue circle. Why would it roll more?jazznpool said:
It's getting cheaper by the month.
I expect, soon nobody would buy it b/c it weighs the same as the Centennial cueball minus the polka dots.
Players blessed with power stroke like yours, don't mind it.
The crunchen-tinker strokers who play past midnight no like them.
Hal said:
I think that the red circle is easiest to get moving. The blue circle and measles ball are harder to get moving, but when you do apply the extra that is needed the ball draws a lot further.......
The red circle is easier to control...(if that makes any sense)
If your short draw stroke is timed and powered for the red circle, the same stroke on the blue circle and measles ball will stop dead.
I've played with the measles ball several times before, and have found not much of a difference in the way that it plays. I'm sure there are subtle differences, as there are differences in the way Aramith and Brunswick feel and play, but I would consider changes in the cloth from table to table to be more of a factor when it comes to differences in playing conditions.
The only thing I didn't like about the measles ball however, was after about 4 hours of play, my cue developed a fever and broke out in little red spots the next day.
dave
The only thing I didn't like about the measles ball however, was after about 4 hours of play, my cue developed a fever and broke out in little red spots the next day.
dave
drivermaker
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JoeyInCali said:
Yeh, that's because the red circle CB IS lighter than the measles AND lighter than the playing balls.
The measles is the exact same weight as the centennial ball as you said.
I have been playing with the measles ball for about a year and I like it.
Working with my son, it helps very much as a visual aid for watching how english applied works on the ball.
As a training aid, I think it is priceless
IMO, the differences in performance are strictly perceived.
Working with my son, it helps very much as a visual aid for watching how english applied works on the ball.
As a training aid, I think it is priceless
IMO, the differences in performance are strictly perceived.
I like Arimith
I may be going against the grain here, but I think
the Arimith logo cue ball is more reactive than the
measles ball. As a more advanced player, I find the
measles cue ball to be annoying. It doesn't take a
rocket scientist to figure out if you cue the cue ball
on the right side, that the cue ball is going to spin to
the right. For novice or players just learning, I think it
is great, but I just find it annoying, and 1 more thing
to distract you on your focus on a shot.
I may be going against the grain here, but I think
the Arimith logo cue ball is more reactive than the
measles ball. As a more advanced player, I find the
measles cue ball to be annoying. It doesn't take a
rocket scientist to figure out if you cue the cue ball
on the right side, that the cue ball is going to spin to
the right. For novice or players just learning, I think it
is great, but I just find it annoying, and 1 more thing
to distract you on your focus on a shot.
drivermaker
Banned
Snapshot9 said:
That's because the logo CB is also a hair lighter, than the playing balls.
(1 gram) The red circle is 3-4 grams lighter than the playing balls.
If you're losing your focus due to a measles ball, I don't think you're focused strongly enough for starters. I now use the measles exclusively and don't even notice the markings when lining up the shot or elsewhere.
I just like it because it's weighted exactly the same as the playing balls.
a simple test for cb vs ob weight
I have no idea if this is common knowledge, but will post it anyway.
If you are concerned that the cue ball is heavier or lighter than the object balls, try this simple test. I learned this using a cigarette, but today we will use a pen to be politically correct
The shot is a straight in with draw. First put the cue ball on the table kissing the object ball in line with the pocket/stroke/shot. There will be a gap between the balls on the table surface, where you slide in a smoke, er, pen. Put it right in the middle of the gap, it should not be touching either ball. (It will be perpendicular to the line of the shot) Then take the cue ball back a foot or so and shoot the OB into the pocket drawing the CB back. If the CB is heavier than the OB then it will move forward immediately after impact, bumping the pen forward. Then the spin takes affect and the cb draws back. If the CB weighs the same as the OB the pen will not move. If the CB is lighter than the OB the CB will bounce back away from the OB immediately after impact and after a slight delay the draw will pull it back faster. This is not as obvious as the pen moving result, but it is noticeable because you still have that damned smoke on the table marking the original position.
Dave, trying to quit
Hal said:
I have no idea if this is common knowledge, but will post it anyway.
If you are concerned that the cue ball is heavier or lighter than the object balls, try this simple test. I learned this using a cigarette, but today we will use a pen to be politically correct
The shot is a straight in with draw. First put the cue ball on the table kissing the object ball in line with the pocket/stroke/shot. There will be a gap between the balls on the table surface, where you slide in a smoke, er, pen. Put it right in the middle of the gap, it should not be touching either ball. (It will be perpendicular to the line of the shot) Then take the cue ball back a foot or so and shoot the OB into the pocket drawing the CB back. If the CB is heavier than the OB then it will move forward immediately after impact, bumping the pen forward. Then the spin takes affect and the cb draws back. If the CB weighs the same as the OB the pen will not move. If the CB is lighter than the OB the CB will bounce back away from the OB immediately after impact and after a slight delay the draw will pull it back faster. This is not as obvious as the pen moving result, but it is noticeable because you still have that damned smoke on the table marking the original position.
Dave, trying to quit
Just bought one
We just bought a measels ball for the pool room haven't tried it yet we have centenial balls for our Brunswicks and Araimith for our diamond. The set used on the diamond uses a red Triangle CB. How does that compare to the measals? Some guys HATE it they say it's way to heavy and want to use the red circle. I don't mind it or the blue circle that is used with the Centenial set.
JMO
Biz
We just bought a measels ball for the pool room haven't tried it yet we have centenial balls for our Brunswicks and Araimith for our diamond. The set used on the diamond uses a red Triangle CB. How does that compare to the measals? Some guys HATE it they say it's way to heavy and want to use the red circle. I don't mind it or the blue circle that is used with the Centenial set.
JMO
Biz
Here's my take on the red-dotted cue-ball. 
The first time I ever laid my eyes on it was at the 2003 U.S. Open. When the Open commenced, the TV table was using the EXACT same cue-ball as the other tournament tables.
Keith McCready and Buddy Hall was due to play a match one afternoon, the second day of the tournament, I believe. After settling in their designated corners of the pit under the bright lights, they decided to hit 'em around a bit and loosen up. When Keith and Buddy saw the spotted cue-ball, they did each give it a double-take and examined it closely.
It was then explained that this was a "new" cue-ball for TV use, in hopes that on TV it will display spin and the like for the spectators. So the red-dotted cue-ball made its debut at the 2003 Open, at least here in the States, and this was the first time either of them hit one. And here they were fighting for their very survival at the Open in the TV pit. After the match, they both agreed that it moved and reacted the same as the other non-spotted cue-ball.
This picture was taken by Diana Hoppe of Poolpics by Hoppe at the 2003 U.S. Open of the match between Buddy and Keith at the TV table. Keith missed the pocket by a mile and then quipped to his opponent, "I don't know, Buddy. I must have hit the wrong poka-dot." Buddy cracked up, but couldn't wait to get himself back at that table. It was a funny moment, and Diana captured it with this magnificant shot!
That's David Howard sitting on the rail with a smile on his face!
JAM
The first time I ever laid my eyes on it was at the 2003 U.S. Open. When the Open commenced, the TV table was using the EXACT same cue-ball as the other tournament tables.
Keith McCready and Buddy Hall was due to play a match one afternoon, the second day of the tournament, I believe. After settling in their designated corners of the pit under the bright lights, they decided to hit 'em around a bit and loosen up. When Keith and Buddy saw the spotted cue-ball, they did each give it a double-take and examined it closely.
It was then explained that this was a "new" cue-ball for TV use, in hopes that on TV it will display spin and the like for the spectators. So the red-dotted cue-ball made its debut at the 2003 Open, at least here in the States, and this was the first time either of them hit one. And here they were fighting for their very survival at the Open in the TV pit. After the match, they both agreed that it moved and reacted the same as the other non-spotted cue-ball.
This picture was taken by Diana Hoppe of Poolpics by Hoppe at the 2003 U.S. Open of the match between Buddy and Keith at the TV table. Keith missed the pocket by a mile and then quipped to his opponent, "I don't know, Buddy. I must have hit the wrong poka-dot." Buddy cracked up, but couldn't wait to get himself back at that table. It was a funny moment, and Diana captured it with this magnificant shot!
That's David Howard sitting on the rail with a smile on his face!
JAM
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Yeah, relative to the red circle it's a tad more difficult to draw. I'd say on the order of about 20% more difficult. The red circle is sort of like cheating if you ask me -- why make it lighter, smaller and easier to draw than all the other balls?
I prefer to play with the measles ball, even if only because it weighs the same as the object balls. Players will incessantly talk about how it's heavier, bigger, blah blah blah. They're all just making excuses for missing. The measles ball cuts you no slack, and you have to hit the ball good to draw it from a distance. Go develop a power stroke if you want to play instead of relying on a smaller & lighter cue ball.
Just my $.02
I prefer to play with the measles ball, even if only because it weighs the same as the object balls. Players will incessantly talk about how it's heavier, bigger, blah blah blah. They're all just making excuses for missing. The measles ball cuts you no slack, and you have to hit the ball good to draw it from a distance. Go develop a power stroke if you want to play instead of relying on a smaller & lighter cue ball.
Just my $.02
drivermaker said:
Hey, another feel thing were feel belongs. Adjusting to the weight of the cue ball.
Most people don't realize that balls wear down. There is a long current thread in RSB about how to measure how much smaller (or larger) the object balls are than the cue ball.Hal said:
Most long-service sets of balls have a cue ball that draws very well because the cue ball is smaller than the object balls. The cue ball wears down faster. If the room then replaces the old, worn-down cue ball with a new cue ball without also replacing the object balls, the cue ball will not only draw very poorly compared to the old cue ball, but it will draw poorly compared to a new cue ball with new object balls.
So the answer is that if you are comparing to a typical veteran cue ball, any new cue ball of the right weight will draw poorly.
The measels ball is made from resins originally formulated for billiard balls Joey, that's why I believe it tends to roll a bit more (Hemmah told me about this). The important point for me is that a cue ball weighs the same or very close as other balls in the set of balls.
When cueballs are considerably lighter and worn down in size they deflect off the object balls way differently and make it nearly impossible to follow a ball when your further away. I spoke with Efren about how he copes with this (like at Shooters) about a week or so ago and posted what I was told. The game is meant to be played with regulation balls--otherwise its a gaffe game. FYI, the measel balls I weighed at HT (when they were frist put into play) were all a tenth of an ounce or so lighter than the blue circle cueballs.
Lastly, although I prefer a clean regulation ball set, I strive to adjust and adapt quickly to all sorts of adverse playing conditions including crappy balls.
Martin
When cueballs are considerably lighter and worn down in size they deflect off the object balls way differently and make it nearly impossible to follow a ball when your further away. I spoke with Efren about how he copes with this (like at Shooters) about a week or so ago and posted what I was told. The game is meant to be played with regulation balls--otherwise its a gaffe game. FYI, the measel balls I weighed at HT (when they were frist put into play) were all a tenth of an ounce or so lighter than the blue circle cueballs.
Lastly, although I prefer a clean regulation ball set, I strive to adjust and adapt quickly to all sorts of adverse playing conditions including crappy balls.
Martin
JoeyInCali said:It weighs 168 grams Martin. Same as the blue circle. Why would it roll more?
It's getting cheaper by the month.
I expect, soon nobody would buy it b/c it weighs the same as the Centennial cueball minus the polka dots.
Players blessed with power stroke like yours, don't mind it.
The crunchen-tinker strokers who play past midnight no like them.
the measles cue ball has more weight towards the outside of the ball than the other cueballs.it may weigh the same but the weight is distibuted throughout the ball differently(more to the outside) that is why it is a little harder to draw and rolls out a little longer.personally i find it distracting.the dots that is.
drivermaker
Banned
masonh said:
Where can the information be found about the manufacturing process of this ball? I'm trying to figure out how they'd do that without an inner core. As far as I know, it's solid and one piece.