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snookerbum

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hi ...i can play very good at snooker and in 9 ball.especially when am practicing ,i can't miss ...but in a match,sometimes my mind starts to play with me my shoulders get tight and my stroke dies ...i miss shots .then i get upset ..i can't even play any kind of safety don't know where the white ball is going ......am thinking what the heck am i doing ...whats wrong ? that kind 've stuff.....how do i transfer my practise game to my match game mentally .....anyone have any ideas? how i can over come these barriers ? thank you .....
 
The only way I know of to reduce tension during a match is you have to play as many folks as you can, enter as many tournaments as you have time for.

After a while you will notice that you start to become more relaxed no matter who you play. That's when the game gets to be fun and not work. :wink:

John :)
 
I recommend the book 'Zen in the Art of Archery' to understand pool's mental side

hi ...i can play very good at snooker and in 9 ball.especially when am practicing ,i can't miss ...but in a match,sometimes my mind starts to play with me my shoulders get tight and my stroke dies ...i miss shots .then i get upset ..i can't even play any kind of safety don't know where the white ball is going ......am thinking what the heck am i doing ...whats wrong ? that kind 've stuff.....how do i transfer my practise game to my match game mentally .....anyone have any ideas? how i can over come these barriers ? thank you .....

You must find a way to lessen your expectations of yourself. This is easier said than done, but it's the secret of some of the greatest players in history, such as Johnny Archer. We talked about this at the Mosconi Cup, most of the pressure we feel is self imposed.....training your mind will be as important as training your pool game.

I recommend the book 'Zen in the Art of Archery' to understand the mental side of pool. This is the first book my mentor recommended to me, and it led to wisdom I needed to become World Champion....if you're serious I would suggest you start with that book, or study martial arts if possible.
 
mental lacking...

i understand exactly what you are saying ....my wife says i have a habit of doing that in anything i do .too much expectation shes says i set myself up for a fall.......it get real depressing sometimes .......i have to learn to except what ever happens happens .....thanx for that i really appreciate the response .......
 
Snookerbum, competitive pressure is a state of mind, therefore it is something you have control over. If you are feeling pressure in a match, then you are creating it. If you are creating it, you can also take control to stop creating it.

There are many books written on sports psychology. Do some research and find one that clicks for you. It doesn't matter what the sport is. I have a library of sports psychology books in all different sports and they have all helped me with my pool game in different ways.
 
You must find a way to lessen your expectations of yourself. This is easier said than done, but it's the secret of some of the greatest players in history, such as Johnny Archer. We talked about this at the Mosconi Cup, most of the pressure we feel is self imposed.....training your mind will be as important as training your pool game.

I recommend the book 'Zen in the Art of Archery' to understand the mental side of pool. This is the first book my mentor recommended to me, and it led to wisdom I needed to become World Champion....if you're serious I would suggest you start with that book, or study martial arts if possible.

Yes! My pool mentor also recommended this book to me, (kinda mentor, owner of a poolhall that i play for, once we got drunk and he was talking about this book, plus some other things about the mental game of pool, after that my love for the game grew higher, much much higher, because with the mental part, doing what you practiced, but in a high pressure enviroment, it is the biggest challenge of pool), i'm just about to read it in the following days...author is Eugen Herrigel

I would also recommend "The inner game of tennis" (T. Gallaway), and articles about mental game by Blackjack Sapolis..(Sapolis wrote that your brain/mental game is like a muscle, it needs to be exercised in order to develop, and it wont happen over night)
 
I wrote this a several years ago and several people have found it useful. It is actually three articles I wrote and then combined for my web site. It needs to be revised a little.

http://billiards.colostate.edu/PBReview/Competitive_Anxiety.htm

It discusses what competitive anxiety is, where it comes from, and provides some things you can do to learn to control it.

Thanks for the article Joe. Being relaxed at the table and getting out of your own way is the only way to play and have fun.

About 13 years ago I purchased Ryan Elliott's "Overcoming Contenderosis" package. Listened to a side every night while falling asleep for one year.

What would happen to me in matches is hard to put into words. Its like I would say, make the OB here and put the QB there, then shoot, like magic the ball went exactly where planned.

I still have the cassettes but over time I only have DVD players. I have got to find a cassette player and get back in the groove. When hypnosis is used to better your performance and your at the table you really don't notice anything else going on. Its the Zone and a lot of professional sports people use this approach.

Letting go and performing well is a great feeling and the game becomes fun and not work.

Thanks again :smile:

John
 
it's better to face your biggest fear right away, and everyone's biggest fear is....

i understand exactly what you are saying ....my wife says i have a habit of doing that in anything i do .too much expectation shes says i set myself up for a fall.......it get real depressing sometimes .......i have to learn to except what ever happens happens .....thanx for that i really appreciate the response .......

Yes, I've been ask though the years my secret to playing high stakes matches and the answer always surprised people. "I accept losing before I allow myself to play," and this may not sound positive, however, it's better to face your biggest fear right away, and everyone's biggest fear in competition is losing.

When you decide that it's not going to throw the world off it's axis if you lose the pool match it's a freedom - the freedom to play without internal pressure.

After we come to terms with the negative aspect of the situation we will have the {pure} energy to {positively} focus on how to win... specifically what it's going to take, then achieve our "goal of preference" {winning} "winning must be a goal, not an incentive". 'The Game is Your Teacher'
 
Yes, I've been ask though the years my secret to playing high stakes matches and the answer always surprised people. "I accept losing before I allow myself to play," and this may not sound positive, however, it's better to face your biggest fear right away, and everyone's biggest fear in competition is losing.

When you decide that it's not going to throw the world off it's axis if you lose the pool match it's a freedom - the freedom to play without internal pressure.

After we come to terms with the negative aspect of the situation we will have the {pure} energy to {positively} focus on how to win... specifically what it's going to take, then achieve our "goal of preference" {winning} "winning must be a goal, not an incentive". 'The Game is Your Teacher'


That is absolutely true. I used to play online poker for a living until US players werent allowed anymore. I played a lot of high stakes tournaments and cash tables and I would say something similar when people asked me how could I put at risk in one hand the average several months salary of a person in a heartbeat without fear. And my answer was similar. I've always assumed that that money was no longer mine once I sat on a table, and imagined myself and my life if I no longer had that money. From there on it was easy to make the right move even when it was risky.

That mentality has helped me tremendously gambling in pool. Although I am still having a bit of mental issues during tournaments.
 
Yes, you have discovered the mindset difference of tourney play. You have got to bring it... immediately. You can't wait till a second or third set to get it in gear.




That mentality has helped me tremendously gambling in pool. Although I am still having a bit of mental issues during tournaments.
 
The roots of competitive anxiety are varied and they have more or less influence on different people. It is not just about losing. Think about it this way. Often a smell or a comment will trigger an emotion in you. Perhaps the smell of burning woods sends a shiver up your spine and a sense of fear or joy.

These emotions were conditioned in childhood and it takes years to overcome them. If your Dad was hyper critical when you lost a game and made you afraid of his wrath you get anxious when the possibility of losing is present. We often don’t know what the roots are (that takes a psychologist to figure them out) but we do know that we have strong emotional reactions to innocuous events.

Some people have prejudices against people or things. Certainly your emotional reactions to various sexual objects are out of proportion to the physical presence of the object or person. In general, our emotional reactions, especially mild forms of fear or anxiety, were often set when we were young.

Ironically some people are afraid of winning for any of a variety of reasons. For some people the social censure or possible lack of respect losing will earn from the significant people in their life will set them on edge. It is best to know why you play and what it means to you. You can start by keeping track of your feelings and your thoughts when competitive anxiety begins.

As noted in the article previously referenced, competitive anxiety manifests itself in different ways and you also need to determine your personal type of expression. It can be physical or mental.

Winning or losing money is a sign or has meaning in some other way. Money is simply green pieces of paper that can easily be traded for other things. So what does winning or losing mean? Are you a better or worse person because you have or do not have money? Are you worth more if you win? Will your friends think better of you if you graciously allow someone else to win? Perhaps if you win this match you will have to move out of your circle of friends because you now play too well. There are many reasons for becoming anxious when we face that win or lose situation.

BTW, you can substitute “game,” “match,” or “trophy,” for the word “money.” They are all just signs or symbols of something else in your life.

Some people seek out anxiety producing situations because that is the only time in their life when they were valued so it is about the anxiety that leads to caring. Life can get complicated if you were only cared for when you won or for some when you lost. That caring or wrathful person may be gone now but we continue to seek out the situations that give life meaning.

Some wag said, “know thy self,” and your life will be better.
 
Joe,
I suffer from "essential tremor", and do take medication when needed, but it never really goes away. any ideas?

Bert

The roots of competitive anxiety are varied and they have more or less influence on different people. It is not just about losing. Think about it this way. Often a smell or a comment will trigger an emotion in you. Perhaps the smell of burning woods sends a shiver up your spine and a sense of fear or joy.

These emotions were conditioned in childhood and it takes years to overcome them. If your Dad was hyper critical when you lost a game and made you afraid of his wrath you get anxious when the possibility of losing is present. We often don’t know what the roots are (that takes a psychologist to figure them out) but we do know that we have strong emotional reactions to innocuous events.

Some people have prejudices against people or things. Certainly your emotional reactions to various sexual objects are out of proportion to the physical presence of the object or person. In general, our emotional reactions, especially mild forms of fear or anxiety, were often set when we were young.

Ironically some people are afraid of winning for any of a variety of reasons. For some people the social censure or possible lack of respect losing will earn from the significant people in their life will set them on edge. It is best to know why you play and what it means to you. You can start by keeping track of your feelings and your thoughts when competitive anxiety begins.

As noted in the article previously referenced, competitive anxiety manifests itself in different ways and you also need to determine your personal type of expression. It can be physical or mental.

Winning or losing money is a sign or has meaning in some other way. Money is simply green pieces of paper that can easily be traded for other things. So what does winning or losing mean? Are you a better or worse person because you have or do not have money? Are you worth more if you win? Will your friends think better of you if you graciously allow someone else to win? Perhaps if you win this match you will have to move out of your circle of friends because you now play too well. There are many reasons for becoming anxious when we face that win or lose situation.

BTW, you can substitute “game,” “match,” or “trophy,” for the word “money.” They are all just signs or symbols of something else in your life.

Some people seek out anxiety producing situations because that is the only time in their life when they were valued so it is about the anxiety that leads to caring. Life can get complicated if you were only cared for when you won or for some when you lost. That caring or wrathful person may be gone now but we continue to seek out the situations that give life meaning.

Some wag said, “know thy self,” and your life will be better.
 
Sorry Bert, no one is allowed to give medical advice over the internet. A comprehensive in person diagnosis is required. I suggest seeing a neurologist. Depending upon the symptoms there are a variety of medications and physical therapies that that have been found to be useful.

Here is one link to get you started.

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/essential-tremor/DS00367
 
You must find a way to lessen your expectations of yourself. This is easier said than done, but it's the secret of some of the greatest players in history, such as Johnny Archer. We talked about this at the Mosconi Cup, most of the pressure we feel is self imposed.....training your mind will be as important as training your pool game.

I recommend the book 'Zen in the Art of Archery' to understand the mental side of pool. This is the first book my mentor recommended to me, and it led to wisdom I needed to become World Champion....if you're serious I would suggest you start with that book, or study martial arts if possible.

I agree with CJ on this book. Here's a downloadable copy.

http://www.ideologic.org/files/Eugen_Herrigel_-_Zen_in_the_Art_of_Archery.pdf
 
Is this a problem that is curable? Or at least controllable? I'm not convinced it is - neither am I convinced as book or a DVD is the answer. Just as we have limits on the physical side of the game, we have a limit on the mental side too. Some people are naturally mentally tough, some or not. I still think champions are born, not made.
 
Is this a problem that is curable? Or at least controllable? I'm not convinced it is - neither am I convinced as book or a DVD is the answer. Just as we have limits on the physical side of the game, we have a limit on the mental side too. Some people are naturally mentally tough, some or not. I still think champions are born, not made.

Some are born & some make themselves Champions through hard work & dedication. I have coached individuals in team sports from 5 to 21 years of age & believe me toughness can be taught, both physical & mental. However, some people just don't seem to have it in them or perhaps it is just supressed very, very deep inside. IMHO those are few in number by comparison.

Regards,
 
I think it depends upon what you want in life.

Mental toughness can be trained to some extent.

You can teach people to play basketball and some people have more potential if they have height and coordination.

I knew a 6'7" black guy who was continually asked if he played basket ball. His response was ,"no - were you a jockey." You can have the ability and not seek the outcome.

Seems this tall guy preferred to be a surgeon!
 
I hope I can explain myself well here because I do think quite a bit of the game is mental. But it is mental based on our experience with the game . I am a firm believer that all these feeling of being uncomfortable or tightening up at play, that prevent or hinder us from playing our best in very much intertwined with the physical game.

What I'm trying to say is, whenever we have even the slightest weakness in any portion of our physical game, particular shot / position situation, or any area, it will magnify itself under pressure.

I think we all have physical game weaknesses and practice can firm up those weaknesses so they don't manifest themselves when we are under pressure.

When the ability to do something is second nature, I don't think much will affect it. If you think about some area in your life that you are a master at, be it work, or hobby, nothing much will rattle you when you are doing it.

While there is certainly much to be said for the importance of mastering the mental game, I believe mental shortcomings and game jitters, evaporate with confidence in our physical game.

The improvement realized in the end is a "What came first, the chicken or the egg" kind of thing where we may believe it was a corrected mental state.

We may believe that reading about and understanding the mental inhibitors, will in and of itself improve our game, when in actuality it ends up being the desire itself to improve that has us reading these things, then we play more, and the physical game improves, which increases our confidence, which has us less affected by game pressures, which has us believing it was a mental deficiency.

My big problem is the desire to improve on my weak points. I want to improve my game, but I just don't have the desire any more.

Anyway, that's my take on the game jitters. More physical practice until it becomes second nature.
 
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