Meucci, Another Joke

Junk ? No, not all Meuccis.
I have 3 Originals and 3 newer ones, each cue plays different, i like them all.
Here a pic for the haters and Meucci players...



The "Buddy Hall Meucci Cue" is by far overpriced imho
 
MM, maybe you can tell us why Bob began reusing the Original logo. When we spoke with Bob years ago, this clearly wasn't in the plans. I think it's a poor decision and cheapens the legacy of the brand imo.




The next thing they will bring back is the little nipple bumple. The whole thing was a sales ploy to try and bump sales. The Meucci name means shit in my dictionary. Plain and simple. I will never buy another unless it comes free with another cue I purchase. Sorry, but they are junk.

The Meucci name means the same thing to me as the Dale Perry name,
and the Eddie Wheat name.
 
If he can break & run 2 racks it'll be $150

If he can't it's obviously not that good of a cue and it'll be $100. He'll have a rough time selling it even with a letter from Buddy as well as a picture of him with it.

Duh!

If he can break two racks with it at all without the ferrule or joint cracking it will be proof positive that it is in fact specially built compared to the one I bought a dozen years ago. That was of course before the shaft warped a couple months later. What a POS that cue was!!

JC

Edit: My son still has that cue. If Bob wants to make it right I will have it shipped ASAP.
 
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I think Buddy Hall sold the cue because he needs money. He has been playing a lot of tournaments lately to try and make money, but he is no longer the player he used to be. I too have a few of the authentic Meucci Originals in mint condition and am also upset that he would put the Meucci Original Logo on reproduction cues. Bob Meucci in my opinion doesn't care about his reputation. He will do anything to make a dollar. Now he is making a jump cue with a G10 insert. lmfao What he is basically doing is copying the nylon insert that Paul Huebler made famous. lol
 
guess the case i got from buddy with his name on it wouldn't be worth anything either
 

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Junk ? No, not all Meuccis.
I have 3 Originals and 3 newer ones, each cue plays different, i like them all.
Here a pic for the haters and Meucci players...



The "Buddy Hall Meucci Cue" is by far overpriced imho

From left to right I will take the 5th one please and thank you
 
I think Buddy Hall sold the cue because he needs money. He has been playing a lot of tournaments lately to try and make money, but he is no longer the player he used to be. I too have a few of the authentic Meucci Originals in mint condition and am also upset that he would put the Meucci Original Logo on reproduction cues. Bob Meucci in my opinion doesn't care about his reputation. He will do anything to make a dollar. Now he is making a jump cue with a G10 insert. lmfao What he is basically doing is copying the nylon insert that Paul Huebler made famous. lol

#1 Bob can put any logo he wants on his cues. It's HIS company. The logo is meaningless.

#2 So what if he is copying any construction technique from any other cue maker? That's how things get made. And Huebler never used G-10 anyway.

We all know Meucci has had huge problems. Meucci was without a doubt the most creative production cue maker in the world. Had the quality matched the designs they would probably be the strongest cue factory in the world. Meucci also pioneered the "art" cue starting with the Taj Mahal and the King James cues.

Bob Meucci has contributed a LOT to the pool world. Whether he cares about his reputation or not really has nothing to do with a logo in my opinion. I personally do not like the way most Meucci cues feel and play in general but then again I have also not picked up a genuine Meucci in years.

I just think that the bashing over the use of the older logo is out of line personally.
 
Original Meucci Logo

#1 Bob can put any logo he wants on his cues. It's HIS company. The logo is meaningless.

#2 So what if he is copying any construction technique from any other cue maker? That's how things get made. And Huebler never used G-10 anyway.

We all know Meucci has had huge problems. Meucci was without a doubt the most creative production cue maker in the world. Had the quality matched the designs they would probably be the strongest cue factory in the world. Meucci also pioneered the "art" cue starting with the Taj Mahal and the King James cues.

Bob Meucci has contributed a LOT to the pool world. Whether he cares about his reputation or not really has nothing to do with a logo in my opinion. I personally do not like the way most Meucci cues feel and play in general but then again I have also not picked up a genuine Meucci in years.

I just think that the bashing over the use of the older logo is out of line personally.

The problem I have with that aspect is that the original logo is something that is widely considered synonymous with the earlier,much better made/playing/quality production.

The thing is...we know that Bob knows this too. It just seems to me that he's totally fine with exploiting this idea amongst the "uninitiated" but with an inferior product.
 
#1 Bob can put any logo he wants on his cues. It's HIS company. The logo is meaningless.

#2 So what if he is copying any construction technique from any other cue maker? That's how things get made. And Huebler never used G-10 anyway.

We all know Meucci has had huge problems. Meucci was without a doubt the most creative production cue maker in the world. Had the quality matched the designs they would probably be the strongest cue factory in the world. Meucci also pioneered the "art" cue starting with the Taj Mahal and the King James cues.

Bob Meucci has contributed a LOT to the pool world. Whether he cares about his reputation or not really has nothing to do with a logo in my opinion. I personally do not like the way most Meucci cues feel and play in general but then again I have also not picked up a genuine Meucci in years.

I just think that the bashing over the use of the older logo is out of line personally.

Read what I said. I never said Paul Huebler used a G10. He pioneered the used of the nylon insert and Bob Meucci is now making a jump cue called the Pogo stick. It has what Bob Meucci calls a G10 insert. What it really is basically a nylon insert, he just calls it a G10. Also, a logo does matter if you actually own a Meucci Original that was made before 1989 when Meuccis were actually good quality cues. You don't like or own any so, it makes no difference to you what logo he uses. Of course Bob can use any logo he wants because it is his company, but that still doesn't make it right that he is putting Meucci Original on reproduction cues. It only devalues the Meucci Originals that are authentic and not reproductions and will only cause confusion.
 
The problem I have with that aspect is that the original logo is something that is widely considered synonymous with the earlier,much better made/playing/quality production.

The thing is...we know that Bob knows this too. It just seems to me that he's totally fine with exploiting this idea amongst the "uninitiated" but with an inferior product.

I agree with you 100 percent. It devalues the authentic Meucci Originals and causes confusion.
 
I agree with you 100 percent. It devalues the authentic Meucci Originals and causes confusion.

I think it would only devalue the true originals to someone that does not know all that much about pool cues that gets burnt by being convinced that they are buying a 30+ year old cue the is un chalked un used. Now if everyone says new Meucci cues are garbage "I DISAGREE" but the pre 1990 Meucci Originals are great, well then surely yall can tell what is old and what is not. I have a huge collection of Meucci's probably the largest collection out there. I know what they are worth, just because that old logo is being used again that does not de value my cue one bit!
 
The problem I have with that aspect is that the original logo is something that is widely considered synonymous with the earlier,much better made/playing/quality production.

The thing is...we know that Bob knows this too. It just seems to me that he's totally fine with exploiting this idea amongst the "uninitiated" but with an inferior product.

I think if we were all really honest about this then we would be really upfront about the fact that Meucci cues did not suddenly change in quality the day the logos changed.

Guys really, I am in manufacturing. I know that so many of you like to speculate and that rumors abound. It doesn't matter to you that Tweeten Fiber has said on many occassions that there is ZERO difference in the pre and flag chalk still there are people who INSIST that the formula changed. It doesn't matter to you that Laurie Franklin insists that the way a SouthWest is made is exactly the same as when Jerry was alive, some of you persist in claiming that it's not so.

99% of the time when a company changes the logo they are doing NOTHING to change the product. Nothing. Nothing to improve it, nothing to degrade it.

I would a lot of money, and I mean A LOT of money that you could take any Meucci cues made withing two years of the logo change and bandsaw them and find that the construction was nearly identical.

Now, let's talk about the reality of Meucci buyers.

First the Meucci Collector? This is probably the rarest form of cue collector that exists. Being that Meucci cues are held in such low esteem by so many there just aren't that many people out there who are collecting them I don't think. And the ones who are should be pretty well versed in what's what. I honestly doubt that for this group the new use of the block letter logo is going to affect the "value" of their collection.

The Meucci Flipper? I guess this could be someone who wants to perpetuate the idea that cues with the Meucci Originals logo are far better and more desirable than the cursive logo. In this case I can see why a flipper would be upset when Bob decides to use the block letter logo again. Only thing is that Meucci cues is not beholden to protect the profit margins of people flipping old cues on the secondary market. When a company is in business then can decide to use any logo they own at any time for any reason. And ESPECIALLY when there is a group of people out there actively telling new customers not to buy the new cues because the older ones with a certain logo were better, which they just happen to have for sale..... can one say conflict of interest?

The Meucci Buyer? In today's cue market buyers have thousands of cue choices. If someone is looking at a Meucci cue then it's primarily based on them liking how the cue looks more than liking how it plays in my opinion. I think most buyers of Meuccis tend to be unsophisticated players who are shopping based on visual appeal. That's just my feeling of course. Surely some of them are decent players who actually like how Meucci cues played. And in that case I am sure they are well aware of what it is that they are buying if they frequent any message boards at all. And if they don't frequent message boards and are not aware of Meucci's quality issues then they wouldn't be swayed by a difference in logo anyway.

Ok now having said all this I want to say why brands are important. Trust. The very fact that some people will sweat on a Bible that a cue with one version of a logo is better than the same model with another version is exactly why brands are important to preserve and protect. A brand signifies to the buyer that a product can be trusted to perform in accordance with the reputation attached to the brand. The very fact that Meucci's reputation is so fragmented is a sad sad sad example of poor brand management.

The quality of Meucci cues might have gone down after the switch to the new logo but in fact the switch to the new logo happened at a time when production went WAY UP due to the booming billiard business. What didn't keep up is the quality of customer service and that skews perception of product quality more than anything. Good customer service keeps reports of product issues out of the news. Poor customer service encourages people to talk about it.

The actual rate of defects might have been about the same before and after the logo change. But the fact that the actual rate of good service declined is what soured most people on Meucci cues in my opinion. I personally don't think that the logo itself has any bearing on the quality of the cues.
 
I think if we were all really honest about this then we would be really upfront about the fact that Meucci cues did not suddenly change in quality the day the logos changed.

Guys really, I am in manufacturing. I know that so many of you like to speculate and that rumors abound. It doesn't matter to you that Tweeten Fiber has said on many occassions that there is ZERO difference in the pre and flag chalk still there are people who INSIST that the formula changed. It doesn't matter to you that Laurie Franklin insists that the way a SouthWest is made is exactly the same as when Jerry was alive, some of you persist in claiming that it's not so.

99% of the time when a company changes the logo they are doing NOTHING to change the product. Nothing. Nothing to improve it, nothing to degrade it.

I would a lot of money, and I mean A LOT of money that you could take any Meucci cues made withing two years of the logo change and bandsaw them and find that the construction was nearly identical.

Now, let's talk about the reality of Meucci buyers.

First the Meucci Collector? This is probably the rarest form of cue collector that exists. Being that Meucci cues are held in such low esteem by so many there just aren't that many people out there who are collecting them I don't think. And the ones who are should be pretty well versed in what's what. I honestly doubt that for this group the new use of the block letter logo is going to affect the "value" of their collection.

The Meucci Flipper? I guess this could be someone who wants to perpetuate the idea that cues with the Meucci Originals logo are far better and more desirable than the cursive logo. In this case I can see why a flipper would be upset when Bob decides to use the block letter logo again. Only thing is that Meucci cues is not beholden to protect the profit margins of people flipping old cues on the secondary market. When a company is in business then can decide to use any logo they own at any time for any reason. And ESPECIALLY when there is a group of people out there actively telling new customers not to buy the new cues because the older ones with a certain logo were better, which they just happen to have for sale..... can one say conflict of interest?

The Meucci Buyer? In today's cue market buyers have thousands of cue choices. If someone is looking at a Meucci cue then it's primarily based on them liking how the cue looks more than liking how it plays in my opinion. I think most buyers of Meuccis tend to be unsophisticated players who are shopping based on visual appeal. That's just my feeling of course. Surely some of them are decent players who actually like how Meucci cues played. And in that case I am sure they are well aware of what it is that they are buying if they frequent any message boards at all. And if they don't frequent message boards and are not aware of Meucci's quality issues then they wouldn't be swayed by a difference in logo anyway.

Ok now having said all this I want to say why brands are important. Trust. The very fact that some people will sweat on a Bible that a cue with one version of a logo is better than the same model with another version is exactly why brands are important to preserve and protect. A brand signifies to the buyer that a product can be trusted to perform in accordance with the reputation attached to the brand. The very fact that Meucci's reputation is so fragmented is a sad sad sad example of poor brand management.

The quality of Meucci cues might have gone down after the switch to the new logo but in fact the switch to the new logo happened at a time when production went WAY UP due to the booming billiard business. What didn't keep up is the quality of customer service and that skews perception of product quality more than anything. Good customer service keeps reports of product issues out of the news. Poor customer service encourages people to talk about it.

The actual rate of defects might have been about the same before and after the logo change. But the fact that the actual rate of good service declined is what soured most people on Meucci cues in my opinion. I personally don't think that the logo itself has any bearing on the quality of the cues.

You are absolutely mistaken. The quality of Meucci Cues did change for 1989 on. After 1989 they used a lot of cheaper materials such as a lot of plastic. Because Bob was trying to cut expenses to be more profitable. Bob is struggling and he can barely make payroll these days.
 
It was quite common for a cue maker to sponsor a player by giving them a few cues a year with the knowledge they will sell them for some extra cash. Mosconi did it, Fats did it, Balsis, they all pretty much did it. Works for everybody.

I think this cue is what he says it is - a custom Meucci made for Buddy Hall, probably meant to be sold. It's a nice looking retro design - I like it. Value? I think at $1200 - $1500 he would get takers. It's not a good idea to have the auction with no letter of authenticity. The letter would give this auction some credentials.
 
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*lotta stuff
I read everything you said but this one below stood out in particular to me.

99% of the time when a company changes the logo they are doing NOTHING to change the product. Nothing. Nothing to improve it, nothing to degrade it.

First off, this company didn't change their logo (per se) to something different but rather, went BACK to using their "ORIGINALS" stamp.

If his company's current reputation was in the sh*tter, I certainly wouldn't question his decision to re-adopt his old logo. But surely, these horror stories we keep hearing about didn't just spawn out of nowhere.

I personally don't think that the logo itself has any bearing on the quality of the cues.

I agree. And I don't recall anyone ever saying it did.

Anyway,that's not really the issue...it's the ASSOCIATION that the current production gets with the older line just by using the old logo that is alienating a lotta people. And besides,if nothing about the current Meucci line (quality-wise) is any different than the original originalS...why the "change" then?

What do you think was going through Bob's mind when he decided to re-adopt the usage of his Meucci Originals logo?
 
I read everything you said but this one below stood out in particular to me.

First off, this company didn't change their logo (per se) to something different but rather, went BACK to using their "ORIGINALS" stamp.

I know. But again this is their right.

If his company's current reputation was in the sh*tter, I certainly wouldn't question his decision to re-adopt his old logo. But surely, these horror stories we keep hearing about didn't just spawn out of nowhere.

The current rep has nothing at all to do with the logo. And the rep for crappy cues and crappy service was earned.

I agree. And I don't recall anyone ever saying it did.

Anyway,that's not really the issue...it's the ASSOCIATION that the current production gets with the older line just by using the old logo that is alienating a lotta people. And besides,if nothing about the current Meucci line (quality-wise) is any different than the original originalS...why the "change" then?

What do you think was going through Bob's mind when he decided to re-adopt the usage of his Meucci Originals logo?

Well I think that this came up in another thread and someone associated with Meucci said that one specific retailer requested that the old logo be used. And I can only think that this is partially for the reason of TRYING to perpetuate the myth that the block letter cues were better and thus associate the new ones with them. I could also think that the particular retailer simply prefers the original logo. I certainly do and thought that when Meucci went to the script logo that it made the cues look cheap.

I think Bob just honored the request of a paying customer. Hell I put this inside our cases for a couple of my dealers because they feel it makes a difference.

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