Mike Sigel pimping himself on Fleabay

JAM said:
Your opinion stinks, but that's just what it is, an opinion. Thankfully, not all folks feel the way you do. If they did, pool in America would be in worse shape than it is today.

Your "sad truth" of players needing to "pimp" themselves is disgusting to me, and as such, I am stating my opinion.

As far as Mike Sigel selling his wares on eBay, it is the American way. Some of my best friends utilize eBay for marketing their products. Bravo to all eBay-ers!

JAM
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Jam I totally agree with your statement. Mike is just selling a product is a car salesman pimping himself? I'm not familiar with Mike's cues but maybe he has a good product and has every right to be proud of it. I have always felt that pool players don't get the credit or respect they deserve and that's a total shame. Philw
 
JCIN said:
First of all. I post nothing on an internet forum, this or any other , that I would not say to the persons face.

As far as " Maybe you can elaborate on which part of what he wrote isn't true"

I will start with these two snippets.

"What you may not know is that I am also an artist and creator of the finest pool cues ever made."

Let's see....Boti...Bushka...Franklin...DPK...and oh yeah Sigel. Come on man you can't be serious.

Exhibit #2 "...it's a one of a kind collectors item that will increase in value year after year. "

I think the owners who paid over $2000 for his cues when he first started will probably find this statement to be false. If you don't think so, it looks like a great investment opportunity for you.

Wonder why Laurie Franklin doesn't start cranking out a 100 cues a month and firing them at Ebay ? Or Searing ? Or any other cumaker who had customers that pay 2K plus because they believed in the value of the cue and the CUEMAKER. They would sell them. In the beginning. And screw every previous owner in the process.

As far as for what I have managed to accomplish in life....never been anywhere, never done much.

But one thing I am proud of not doing, is being the shill for a crooked con man to screw an entire industry and many of my friends and colleagues. On top of which if he starts to wholesale cues to the public through Ebay he will screw anyone who bought one of his cues at retail.

Just because a guy could play, he does not get a pass for acting like a jerk.

I have no problem with anyone trying to make a living. Except when that living is at the expense of people who trust you. People like fans and customers.
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You talk like Mike is selling some potient from the fountain of youth and claiming it will perform miracles. He's selling cues that's not illegal last time I heard and even if he is using hyperbole to sell them is that a bad thing? This is America land of capitalism and God bless him. Philw
 
so does mike have no income?cant he go out on the road? and what cue has he used al of his pool career? his very own produced cue? i think mike is very charasmatic person and i think hell be allright and i hope to see him more on the tele . i wish him the best..
 
cuetechasaurus said:
In their prime, in their prime, yeah, whatever. Reyes is a much better all around player than Sigel ever was. The only games Sigel could win at were 9ball and straight pool. Everything else, Sigel would lose. Reyes beat Sigel at 9ball when they gambled way more than Sigel beat him. In tournaments, its the opposite. Big deal.

Reyes withstood the test of time, and continues to be the best all around player to this very day. Sigel didn't. When Sigel passed his prime he quit pool, probably because he couldn't stand the fact that he couldn't win anymore. Reyes continued to play way past his prime, and look where he is now. He plays against the best in the entire WORLD, and wins. Not just the best in the USA. How many top players did Sigel compete against back in the 70's and 80's? 20? How many top players does Reyes compete against now, and still manage to win? In the hundreds easily.

Big difference there buddy. :rolleyes:
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I can see your a bit biased against Sigel for some reason, but the proof is in the pudding (and the history books).

You said that the only games Sigel would win at were 9 Ball and Straight pool back then. ONLY GAMES? Those were THE games back then for tournament action.

Reyes has stood the test of time, and is a phenom. I agree that he is the greatest all around player who has ever lived. He is the Bobby Fisher of pool. Just pure genius, regardless of the game. No doubt, BUT....in his prime - Reyes (and hardly anyone) could beat Sigel in a 9 Ball tourney, and hardly ever in a final. The proof is in the history books. You talk as if there were no good players back then?

Opinions about his personality are one thing. Hey....I'm not defending him there. I'm just talking about pure playing - and what he accomplished.

I'll say it before, and I'll say it again...I have on an accu-stats match where Reyes says his favorite player is who?? Mike Sigel. Why, they ask....."Because he can just play. It don't matter what happens, he can just run out" That is a QUOTE (almost verbatim) from Reyes himself. I rest my case your honor.
 
Certainly this is America, and he does have a right to sell his cues. However, I do see the point where someone would question the way he is going about it. Not only does he come off as being arrogant, but he sounds disrespectful to the other great players of today, and certainly disrespectful to the top notch cue makers out there whom he has self proclaimed himself as being better than. Michael Jordan was arguably the greatest basketball player of his time, but he was never the one to come and say it. There is a way to go about doing good buisness with respectful but effective marketing. In my opinion this is not it.
 
maybe efren is being modest , really what matters is who has the most cash .didnt the great bruce lee say "belts are only good for one thing holding ure pants up" so no matter how many titles one has hanging in ure fav room what matters is how much is in the bank room.
 
Scott Lee said:
Sigel certainly has his accomplishments, as do many other worthy players, in terms of "legend" status. He is, by no means, in a class by himself.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
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When I was living in Myrtle Beach, I used to practice with the late great Weenie Beenie. He used to tell me about the time that Sigel ran 150 and out against Zuglan in the US Open 14.1 Championships. Final scrore was 150 to 0. It's available on Accu-Stats.

I'm not sure, but I think that does put him in a class by himself.
 
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The not true part:

everyone is entitled to an opinion,
IMHO proclaiming he created the finest
cues ever made, is a bit of a stretch, and then some

Dale
 
pdcue said:
The not true part:

everyone is entitled to an opinion,
IMHO proclaiming he created the finest
cues ever made, is a bit of a stretch, and then some

Dale
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Can you please show me where he says that they're the "finest cues ever made"?
 
Matt_24 said:
I think people should be a little more respectful of Mike Sigel. The man is a living legend and played as good as, if not better than most who have ever held a stick. Is he arrogant, cocky, whatever....who cares? If he didn't sign your autograph 10 years ago and you're still holding a grudge get over it.

Now, I don't know anything about his cues - but if he makes them as well as he played, then I'm sure they will hit good. Remember, Mike is not brand new to this. He was making cues for Dan Janes of JOSS cues in the 70's and 80's when he wasn't winning every tournament in site.

If the man is selling a cue on ebay and advertises it as great hitting, why knock him? He's trying to make a living just like we all are. We don't know his financial situation, and if the orders aren't pouring in, ebay does provide a global market place - providing quite a few people decent livings.

Oh yeah, all of you who said that Reyes was way better than Sigel. Well, when Sigel was playing all of the time Reyes NEVER won a final against Sigel. Check the stats. The only final he ever beat Sigel in a FINAL was this IPT thing. And 9 Ball, Straight pool....forget about it. In their prime, Reyes has no chance. His break was always too weak. Nowadays..of course. Reyes has continued to play, and Sigel retired long ago from serious pool. Ask Reyes who his favorite player is......they did on an Accu-stats tape about 10 years ago and he said, "Mike Sigel." They asked him why...and his response was, "He can just play. It don't matter where the balls are, he just runs out." That is from the magician himself. How strong is that?

Ok, so I'm a biased Mike Sigel fan. I admit it.
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I saw Mike at age 19, and I saw him in his prime.
Nine ball and 14.1, Mike played better than Reyes did.
Not necessasarily better than Reyes could have.

One pocket, before Reyes even learned the game, he could
beat Mike.

As an all around player, IMHO you have to go with Efren.

Dale
 
oceanweb said:
Can you please show me where he says that they're the "finest cues ever made"?
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Did you read the blurb on fleabay?

he describes himself as:
the "creator of the finest pool cues ever made".

kinda hard to miss

Dale
 
pdcue said:
I saw Mike at age 19, and I saw him in his prime.
Nine ball and 14.1, Mike played better than Reyes did.
Not necessasarily better than Reyes could have.

One pocket, before Reyes even learned the game, he could
beat Mike.

As an all around player, IMHO you have to go with Efren.

Dale
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NEVER did I dispute that Efren was the better all-around player - and that he has withstood the test of time. All I'm saying is.......in Mike's prime Efren could not beat him in tournaments. The proof is in the record books.
 
Matt_24 said:
NEVER did I dispute that Efren was the better all-around player - and that he has withstood the test of time. All I'm saying is.......in Mike's prime Efren could not beat him in tournaments. The proof is in the record books.
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And that is a fact! Mike Sigel is an American champion, and though he may not enjoy a popularity today, as he did when he was on top of the American pool world, he still should be given his propers.

I like Efren Reyes as much as the next guy/gal, but Mike Sigel is an American champion. Pool is already moving its base overseas. Try to at least give the American champions their proper dues.

Sigel is actually a smart cookie. He knew he couldn't make any money competing, even though he was number one, and so he decided to make money in another pool-related field, which is the cue stick.

I am reminded of a slogan from a good friend of mine who was a used car salesman: "Mickey Bass Used Cars. I don't say they're good, but it sure beats walking." Mickey made a bundle selling those used cars. :D

JAM
 
Ms

The cuemaker that trained MS told me that he was the only student that has gone with exactly what he learned and has not progressed one iota. No imagination, no nothing. I witnessed MS at VF in 03 complaining about not being able to sell one of his Imports for $28 to a lady for her kid. With his cozyness to KT, I have no use for him. JMHO
Purdman:cool:
 
Purdman said:
The cuemaker that trained MS told me that he was the only student that has gone with exactly what he learned and has not progressed one iota. No imagination, no nothing. I witnessed MS at VF in 03 complaining about not being able to sell one of his Imports for $28 to a lady for her kid. With his cozyness to KT, I have no use for him. JMHO
Purdman:cool:
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I understand your opinion, Don. Sigel isn't the kind of guy I want to hang out with, one reason being it is difficult to have a conversation with the man.

I'm also not so sure he's cozy with KT at the time of this writing. IMHO, it would seem that KT has distanced himself to everything pool related. The silence from the IPT corner is deafening.

I do know that you are a pool cue connaisseur of sorts. Have you ever hit with a Sigel cue stick? Just curious! :p

JAM
 
JAM said:
I understand your opinion, Don. Sigel isn't the kind of guy I want to hang out with, one reason being it is difficult to have a conversation with the man.

I'm also not so sure he's cozy with KT at the time of this writing. IMHO, it would seem that KT has distanced himself to everything pool related. The silence from the IPT corner is deafening.

I do know that you are a pool cue connaisseur of sorts. Have you ever hit with a Sigel cue stick? Just curious! :p

JAM
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Yes I have played with a MS cue. Here it is. http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=13211
Most narcissistic greedy people are difficult to be around! Oh, unless you fill the time with questions about himself.:D
Looking forward to getting together in March!
Don P. aka: Purdman:cool:
 
break them ?u mean like earl?i like sigel but would not buy his cue on the other hand i might be willing to try earls ideas lol ,seems weird but i think earls contribution to cue sticks might be better and less expensive ,but wat do i kno....
 
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