Mike Sigel pimping himself on Fleabay

At least he is doing something. Look at all the people sitting around talking about what he is doing, like he cares... lol Sometimes you have to make ends meet. One thing is for sure - there are always gonna be haters no matter what you do so just do what you think is best and F#*K the rest.

BVal
 
You have talked me into it. Integrity means nothing.

I am really surprised by alot of these responses. If one AZer were to screw another on a $1000 cue deal, all hell would break loose and the offending party is banished to the ether, followed by a posse of internet detectives and jailhouse lawyers.

Scruggsinhand comes to mind here. But hey Chady don't sweat it man " He's a good guy just trying to make a living. We all gotta eat right ?"

I bet Chady don't see it that way and niether would you if you were on that end.

Mr. Sigel will eventually do the same if he devalues his cues through wholesale sales to the public. But hey thats cool. He's just trying to make a living.

I really am surprised so many run to the defense of a man such as this. I learned a little here today.
 
"Over one hundred Professional Tournament wins..."



I've seen this a few times before and I'm not saying it isn't so, but I'm a bit jaded about this kinda stuff.

Is there an actual list of these 100 wins that someone can post?

Lou Figueroa
 
god bless the mike sigels, kieth mcreadys, grady mathews, bucktooths, ect. because whether you love them or hate them , you listen when they speak. this thread just proves that. they put people in the seats, which in turn keeps your local pool halls going. funniest thing i ever seen was ronnie allen playin kieth mcready in a tourney, both half drunk and talkin trash every second . early sunday mornin match and probably 200 people watching. so mike, keep on pimpin and make your money. in a perfect world our sport would have major sponsors, respect from other sporting venues, and be seen on national tv. our top players would have multi million dollar endorsment deals. but they dont. just my opinion, and you know what they say about opinions lol!!
 
Island Drive said:
Hell, Mizerack sold cheap cues I think at Wal Mart, wonder why the thread starter didn't flame away there. The Balabuska name was sold, there is a great place to start a fire also. I think your "pimping" statement just shows your lack of maturity, FWTW.

Couldn't let this go.

Did you read the thread at all ? I admit the term pimp is probably a little too hip for some of the members.

Mizerack sold cheap cues. Mizerack bragged about selling truckloads of cues. To my knowledge he never told people they would increase in value as a way to justify a high price. He sold a product with class and integrity. He has the legacy that comes with that.

If I remember correctly the Balabushka name was licensed/sold to the Adams cue company by the family long after George died. It is a brand made famous to the public by a movie. That has nothing to do with George Balabushka and the way conducted his business. If what I read about him is true, I bet he would take issue with someone producing average cues with his name on them. He too has a legacy that he earned with his product and his business practice.

We'll see what Mr.Sigel's legacy looks like next to these two men down the line.
 
big daddys said:
god bless the mike sigels, kieth mcreadys, grady mathews, bucktooths, ect. because whether you love them or hate them , you listen when they speak. this thread just proves that. they put people in the seats, which in turn keeps your local pool halls going. funniest thing i ever seen was ronnie allen playin kieth mcready in a tourney, both half drunk and talkin trash every second . early sunday mornin match and probably 200 people watching. so mike, keep on pimpin and make your money. in a perfect world our sport would have major sponsors, respect from other sporting venues, and be seen on national tv. our top players would have multi million dollar endorsment deals. but they dont. just my opinion, and you know what they say about opinions lol!!
your exactly right and if someone is stupid enough to spend $1,000 on a mike segal cue that might be worth a hundred in a year,oh well.
 
Matt_24 said:
I think people should be a little more respectful of Mike Sigel. The man is a living legend and played as good as, if not better than most who have ever held a stick. Is he arrogant, cocky, whatever....who cares? If he didn't sign your autograph 10 years ago and you're still holding a grudge get over it.

Now, I don't know anything about his cues - but if he makes them as well as he played, then I'm sure they will hit good. Remember, Mike is not brand new to this. He was making cues for Dan Janes of JOSS cues in the 70's and 80's when he wasn't winning every tournament in site.

If the man is selling a cue on ebay and advertises it as great hitting, why knock him? He's trying to make a living just like we all are. We don't know his financial situation, and if the orders aren't pouring in, ebay does provide a global market place - providing quite a few people decent livings.

Oh yeah, all of you who said that Reyes was way better than Sigel. Well, when Sigel was playing all of the time Reyes NEVER won a final against Sigel. Check the stats. The only final he ever beat Sigel in a FINAL was this IPT thing. And 9 Ball, Straight pool....forget about it. In their prime, Reyes has no chance. His break was always too weak. Nowadays..of course. Reyes has continued to play, and Sigel retired long ago from serious pool. Ask Reyes who his favorite player is......they did on an Accu-stats tape about 10 years ago and he said, "Mike Sigel." They asked him why...and his response was, "He can just play. It don't matter where the balls are, he just runs out." That is from the magician himself. How strong is that?

Ok, so I'm a biased Mike Sigel fan. I admit it.

In their prime, in their prime, yeah, whatever. Reyes is a much better all around player than Sigel ever was. The only games Sigel could win at were 9ball and straight pool. Everything else, Sigel would lose. Reyes beat Sigel at 9ball when they gambled way more than Sigel beat him. In tournaments, its the opposite. Big deal.

Reyes withstood the test of time, and continues to be the best all around player to this very day. Sigel didn't. When Sigel passed his prime he quit pool, probably because he couldn't stand the fact that he couldn't win anymore. Reyes continued to play way past his prime, and look where he is now. He plays against the best in the entire WORLD, and wins. Not just the best in the USA. How many top players did Sigel compete against back in the 70's and 80's? 20? How many top players does Reyes compete against now, and still manage to win? In the hundreds easily.

Big difference there buddy. :rolleyes:
 
sigels cues do hit really good ...really good!!!! and as far as buyin a cue on ebay...I did, ans i got a great cue at a great price
 
jamesroberts said:
and as far as buyin a cue on ebay...I did, ans i got a great cue at a great price

ummm,,,aside from the lambasting of sigel's bravura proclamations,,,the whole point is sigel's buffoonery in putting up his cue on ebay. great price for you ebay buyers, but an incredibly short-sighted move on mike's part.

of course, there is a chance he's smarter than all of us and has a shill who'll buy the cue at a ridiculously high price just to bump his secondary market value.
 
Ktown D said:
Quick question-- Does anyone know what brand of cue Shannon Daulton used to win the bank ring game at Derby with this year?

You guessed it - Sigel cutom cue.


Actually, I believe it was a combination of a Sigel butt and a Southeast shaft.
 
Worminator said:
Actually, I believe it was a combination of a Sigel butt and a Southeast shaft.
You are correct, although I had forgotten about it until you said it. I have hit with the other shaft and it plays well. You should see the JossWest he just got if you haven't yet. It is a beautiful ebony cue with silver and ivory, really nice.:eek: I haven't tried it yet but I plan to hit a few with it this weekend.
 
cuetechasaurus said:
How many top players did Sigel compete against back in the 70's and 80's? 20? How many top players does Reyes compete against now, and still manage to win? In the hundreds easily.

Big difference there buddy. :rolleyes:

Yeah, now I remember. I was watching KOTH here in Bravo2 TV and Mike mentioned that during his time he could count the top opponent he needed to beat, maybe 4, to win the tournament, now he said hundreds of them. That's from the Mouth himself.
 
Ktown D said:
You are correct, although I had forgotten about it until you said it. I have hit with the other shaft and it plays well. You should see the JossWest he just got if you haven't yet. It is a beautiful ebony cue with silver and ivory, really nice.:eek: I haven't tried it yet but I plan to hit a few with it this weekend.

Thats a pretty big corrective statement.....
 
Gerry said:
I think some peoople are looking for any chance to jup on Sigel for the IPT thing....I can see that. I bet if he was more of an all around likable guy his cues would be as collectable as any IMO. I still respect the mans game and abilities, but after talking with him a few times, and hanging around at tourneys we were in, I wouldn't go out of my way to be around him, but hey, people say the same thing about me!:)

Gerry
Uh, a few top name cuemakers are not even close to being likable.
Let's be honest here, do you see ANYTHING in Mike's cues that would separate it from other high dollar cues?
Those rings look like Joe Gold wannabe to me.
Sorry but the inlays look like McDermott.
http://i1.ebayimg.com/01/i/000/8a/8f/0ae7_12.JPG
 
JoeyInCali said:
Uh, a few top name cuemakers are not even close to being likable.
Let's be honest here, do you see ANYTHING in Mike's cues that would separate it from other high dollar cues?
Those rings look like Joe Gold wannabe to me.
Sorry but the inlays look like McDermott.
http://i1.ebayimg.com/01/i/000/8a/8f/0ae7_12.JPG


i believe you're missing the obvious, joey. what seperates a $igel cue from mcD is the exhorbitant price. you have to pay for the privelege.
 
JCIN said:
You have talked me into it. Integrity means nothing.

I am really surprised by alot of these responses. If one AZer were to screw another on a $1000 cue deal, all hell would break loose and the offending party is banished to the ether, followed by a posse of internet detectives and jailhouse lawyers.

Scruggsinhand comes to mind here. But hey Chady don't sweat it man " He's a good guy just trying to make a living. We all gotta eat right ?"

I bet Chady don't see it that way and niether would you if you were on that end.

Mr. Sigel will eventually do the same if he devalues his cues through wholesale sales to the public. But hey thats cool. He's just trying to make a living.

I really am surprised so many run to the defense of a man such as this. I learned a little here today.

Good Call Sir... you hit it on the head.....
I am sure Sigel is a good guy and all...but come do you really think he is pushing a good product here....better yet do you think he is building everyone of these cues and signing of on each one as the advert states..... sounds like a con to me...1000 bucks...nope not mine...

And Mizerak's cues along with Fatts' only cost 30-50 bucks a pop.. not in the same league as Hooks'...
the Balabushka Family allowed ADAM to reproduce cues with the name...They are very fine cues BTW, most would consider them better products than the sigel cues in question here...

By who and where are these cues actually made again?

Shane
 
I have never played with any of Mr. Sigels cues, and to me this is not the real issue here. This gentleman was the front-man and the guiding force for the latest screwing the billiard community has received namely the IPT.

I agree his record as professional player has been among the best of our time, however, in my opinion his integrity is compromised, and I can not endorse him or his products with all that has happened.:cool: That would be a slap in the face to all the other IPT members who have never been paid what they were due.;)

In some of the posts to this thread many members have said, well he needs to eat. While this is true, I would also bet that he has been paid by the IPT, what he was owed. So far as needing to eat is concerned, so do all the others who were IPT Members.:mad:

Can anyone really believe that KT came up with the concept of the IPT without MR. Sigel?:rolleyes:

Now on that same note can anyone really believe that he was not taken care of when the IPT fell apart? :rolleyes:

Well I was born at night, however, not last night, and I also do not believe that KT did not have a Golden Parachute already packed when this organization came apart at it's seams. KT is a business man and he completely understands, like all big business men do, how to ensure their survival.

Now with all this said, how can anyone be fooled into the belief that Kevin did not take care of his good buddy, Mike Sigel.

I am certain that some forum members will not agree with my statements, in fact some will try to make me out as a Jack Ass, and that is OK, but this Jack Ass speaks his mind:eek: , oh and by the way I have no problem sleeping at night unlike others.;)

I am through pontificating on this subject, I am really tired of seeing good people get screwed:mad: , and again, I will not support in any way any of those involved directly or indirectly, like my mother use to say, you are judged by the company you keep and impressions are very long lasting.;)

Have a great Night!!!!!
 
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smokeandapancak said:
Good Call Sir... you hit it on the head.....
I am sure Sigel is a good guy and all...but come do you really think he is pushing a good product here....better yet do you think he is building everyone of these cues and signing of on each one as the advert states..... sounds like a con to me...1000 bucks...nope not mine...

And Mizerak's cues along with Fatts' only cost 30-50 bucks a pop.. not in the same league as Hooks'...
the Balabushka Family allowed ADAM to reproduce cues with the name...They are very fine cues BTW, most would consider them better products than the sigel cues in question here...

By who and where are these cues actually made again?

Shane








some of you guys crack me up........i talked to sigel in vegas after the ipt tourney there in july and he told me then that he was gonna get back into making cues. I have actually hit with one of his cues and they hit great!!!! and he makes the cues, I dont understand why people just get on here and post opinions based on nothin at all...crazy
 
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