Mike Sigel vs Mika Immonen 14.1

MS vs MI race to 10 games, 150 pts each game. Who wins?

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PoolBum said:
Hmm...so you think his legendary status has nothing to do with his talent?
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Legendary status and skill/talent are different things.
Did his talent earn him his status? Of course.

But some people who idolize him might be nervous just standing next to him or might dogs balls if he just stood there watching.
What does that have to do with his ability to play?

I'm sure if they got bend out of shape like that, they would dog it regardless of if Mike is in stroke or not.

Sure, him running out and getting some rolls adds to the pressure, but it's still their fault if they fail to get out and he's not at the table.
 
SUPERSTAR said:
Legendary status and skill/talent are different things.
Did his talent earn him his status? Of course.

But some people who idolize him might be nervous just standing next to him or might dogs balls if he just stood there watching.
What does that have to do with his ability to play?

I'm sure if they got bend out of shape like that, they would dog it regardless of if Mike is in stroke or not.

Sure, him running out and getting some rolls adds to the pressure, but it's still their fault if they fail to get out and he's not at the table.
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You can say the same thing about many top players. Efren probably makes a few opponents nervous. So I don't see that the point you are trying to make means much.
 
punter said:
You can say the same thing about many top players. Efren probably makes a few opponents nervous. So I don't see that the point you are trying to make means much.
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Yeah, but many top players have been on the scene everywhere for years.

Sigel's been out of the picture for a WHILE.
One thing to play your idol and after a few tries, not totally embarrass yourself after you kind of get used to them.
Sigel really hasn't been on the scene playing 10ball, at all really.

<---wonders how many of the guys on that "list" of players that got blanked, have played Sigel before in the past 15 years.
 
Spidey, when your mike's age(like me) & a bombshell like megan hooks up w/ya, you tend to want to do certain things again & focus & show the world your wares.
 
8&snap said:
Spidey, when your mike's age(like me) & a bombshell like megan hooks up w/ya, you tend to want to do certain things again & focus & show the world your wares.
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If anything, maybe her drive to get better re-ignited his will to give a sh!t, if that makes sense. Megan's perfect for Mike and Mike's perfect for Megan. It's the most symbiotic relationship I've seen. Congrats to them both.

Dave
 
Through four matches Sigel has outscored his opponents 400-32.

I would love to see him keep this form up, but I think it will be tough going in the double elimination against the likes of Ortmann, Cohen, Hohmann, Barouty, Archer, and the other killers in the field (including Mika, whom I'm sure would love a rematch).
 
PoolBum said:
Through four matches Sigel has outscored his opponents 400-32.

I would love to see him keep this form up, but I think it will be tough going in the double elimination against the likes of Ortmann, Cohen, Hohmann, Barouty, Archer, and the other killers in the field (including Mika, whom I'm sure would love a rematch).
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Mika may not make it.
 
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Fatboy said:
if mike played like he 20 years ago, Mike is by fara better 14.1 player, look at his patterns.
Mika pockets balls much better than mike nowdays, age sucks. and mika has more stanamia than mike because he is younger. Thats why Mika is the favorite if that game goes down in 2011, in 1986 Mika wouldnt like it at all.
In rotation games Mika is the superior player.
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Watching Sigel in 86 was something I often got to do. In staight pool a lot of people didn't realize "HOW great" he really was. He was surrounded by amazing straight pool talent during that time period. But by far and away, straight pool is his best game, followed closely by 9-ball, banks or one-pocket next (toss-up depending on who you ask). He played all those games like the World Champion he is. During that time period though, in the mid-west, Buddy Hall often got the best of him playing 9-ball. Sigel is an awesome talent and player, however even in his prime he doesn't play nine-ball to the level Immonen does right now.
That maybe a controversial view, but time will probably bear this conclusion out!
 
Both are great champions. No need to degrade either of them. Would be interesting to see the outcome.
 
softshot said:
Straight pool is a knowledge game.. 9/10 ball is more of a stroke game..

Mike is a former World champion..with 30+ years experience against the like of Mizerak and Martin.

this might be Mikas first straight pool tourney..

Sigel by a landslide IMO
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LOL, actually Mika has played in lots of 14.1 events...and for quite some time. ive watched him online alot. AND, im pretty sure he even won a few big 14.1 tourneys.
but, this being said, i do like sigel in a heads up match. he's very intense.

BLS.
 
Two years ago, if this question was asked, I would have told you Mika would run all over him. But now that Mike has found the drive to play again, I can't see Mika fading the action; not in a race to 1000 at least.

Of course, like was pointed out before, I don't think we'd see that set finish, as both have a tendency to get hot under the collar. I also think that, like Earl, this is part of what makes them such high-caliber players. You almost have to have that ego to compete at such a high level...it leaves little doubt in your mind as to your ability to win any time you're on the table. Just my $.02.
 
Like him or not, Sigel got the biggest compliment in the pool world from Efren. When asked who was his toughest opponent ever was.......Efren said Sigel!

not Archer, Earl, Parica, Bustamante, Hall etc........Sigel.

thats good enough for me.
 
SpiderWebComm said:
If anything, maybe her drive to get better re-ignited his will to give a sh!t, if that makes sense. Megan's perfect for Mike and Mike's perfect for Megan. It's the most symbiotic relationship I've seen. Congrats to them both.

Dave
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Megan noticed that Mike was lifting up during his shots.

Plus, Mike discovered by accident after the 10 ball tournament that when he moved his arm away from he body, his stroke felt smooth as silk again, for the first time in 10 years or more. This excited him so much that he is ready to take no prisoners.

Megan probably has a lot to do with Mike's success, but not totally IMO. I think Mike has had this desire to come back and give things another try.

The only think that might hold him back is his age. The US Open will really test him to see if he can do the grueling, demanding schedule. Unless of course that he walks through the winners bracket, but there are too many tough players for that to realistically happen.
 
Cornerman said:
That's like someone noticing that I suck at this game. Anyone with eyes notices that Mike lifts up during his shots. When does he NOT lift up???
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True indeed. I watched Mike in the 1993 US Open and he lifted up a little then. But this year he was lifting up a whole lot more than he used to. Good observation Fred.
 
The second year at Derby City 14.1, Mika averaged 60 per inning on a Diamond pro-cut. That's very hard to beat.
 
In the past two years Mika has been playing top notch pool. As good as anyone has played for a sustained period of time. He is one of the best players of this era
 
Bob Jewett said:
The second year at Derby City 14.1, Mika averaged 60 per inning on a Diamond pro-cut. That's very hard to beat.
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I'm not minimizing that feat (cause that's amazing); but, that's starting from a cosmo-blast situation. In a real game, the dynamics are totally different. For example, I know of a money match between Hopkins and a top 14.1 player (who I won't name - a REAL strong player) where Hopkins beat him 5-and-stop.

So, there's a lot more than balls per inning on an open table that come into play. Would his BPI be 60 if he started his inning from kissing the short rail or kissing a ball with a tangent to a pocket every time?

All I'm saying is it's possible for a top player to beat another top player 100-0 and never run out (or do something CRAZY like 5-and-stop).... as long as the incoming player never gets a shot and never gets the first shot after the safety battle.

At this level - it's a knowledge game and for that-- Sigel is a guru.
 
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