Mike Sigel. With all this IPT hostility flying around.....
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mad at mike?
Why should anyone be mad at MS? BY bringing KT into the pool world, aside from the present fiasco, I would thank him for trying to bring some money into Professional pool.....In spite of all that some have said, I don't look at this IPT experience as a premeditated scam.....I see it more as a business failure, even with KT's history and rep............
SUPERSTAR said:
Why should anyone be mad at MS? BY bringing KT into the pool world, aside from the present fiasco, I would thank him for trying to bring some money into Professional pool.....In spite of all that some have said, I don't look at this IPT experience as a premeditated scam.....I see it more as a business failure, even with KT's history and rep............
SUPERSTAR said:
Mike got it going where in the past the players tried to no avail that in itself is quite amazing. When this plays out, we'll all know who the real losers and winners are. Allot of money has been paid out, but this past event the Bagel is all she wrote. Chicago will be the "tell".
Just how many people would have decided to get involved with the IPT if it were not for Mike Sigel. He was the front man. He was the one who convinced everyone that the IPT was a good deal.
Perhaps he really did think it would work. Perhaps he was lusting for the money.
But the one thing that stands out now is that he is not saying anything now.
Perhaps he really did think it would work. Perhaps he was lusting for the money.
But the one thing that stands out now is that he is not saying anything now.
jjinfla said:
1st - I knew the tour was shaky from the start and had the offer to get on at the begining but passed.
Me and MS have had our differences for years (not related to this), but I honestly believe that he thought this would be a good thing for all players.
I have talked to him, played next to him, and been in the same poolrooms with him over 75 days this year. He planned on making money by making a comeback of sorts. He was practicing hard everyday from before the LJJ match up until Reno.
The last thing he said to me the day before he left for Reno after I said "Good Luck" was "I'll be happy if I just get in the top 25" (which he didn't).
He is not the only player in hiding...they just about all are not making any comments on the IPT.
Until it is proven without a doubt that he is involved I believe he deserves the benifit of the doubt.
Dave
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The question is:
if Trudeau could not cover the tour, at least for the first year, without going broke himself, why in the world did he do it to begin with? It doesn't make sense. If the tour was going to run his finances down to a low point, why bother? If he planned on offloading the tour after starting it, and get other backing, without much in his coffers, then that is a long shot.
Anyone around knows it takes 6 months to 3 years to get any business on a profitable level, and you have to plan for that in the beginning.
I do feel sorry for Mike Sigel and Deno, as I believe their reputations will be tainted the most from this in the future.
if Trudeau could not cover the tour, at least for the first year, without going broke himself, why in the world did he do it to begin with? It doesn't make sense. If the tour was going to run his finances down to a low point, why bother? If he planned on offloading the tour after starting it, and get other backing, without much in his coffers, then that is a long shot.
Anyone around knows it takes 6 months to 3 years to get any business on a profitable level, and you have to plan for that in the beginning.
I do feel sorry for Mike Sigel and Deno, as I believe their reputations will be tainted the most from this in the future.
Sigel and Danny Medina
Danny Medina just talked to Mike at home tonite. Mike told him the IPT had been sold, and when the money comes in the players would be paid.
Number one, Danny is not lying. He has Mike's home number and he isn't a liar anyway. Of this I'm certain. Question number two is why would Mike tell him this. To get rid of him? To protect his buddy KT? Or does he really believe this to be true? I dont know.
Just sharing some news, that's all. So Mike Sigel is in on the denial at this point in time. By making such statements, he implicates himself along with Trudeau.
Danny Medina just talked to Mike at home tonite. Mike told him the IPT had been sold, and when the money comes in the players would be paid.
Number one, Danny is not lying. He has Mike's home number and he isn't a liar anyway. Of this I'm certain. Question number two is why would Mike tell him this. To get rid of him? To protect his buddy KT? Or does he really believe this to be true? I dont know.
Just sharing some news, that's all. So Mike Sigel is in on the denial at this point in time. By making such statements, he implicates himself along with Trudeau.
jay helfert said:
One thing is certainly unknown. That is the true nature of Kevin and Mike Sigel's relationship. It is well known that Mike Sigel has been complaining loudly to anyone who will listen about what he considers the pathetic and paltry amounts of money that world class pool players competed for pre-IPT. He has done this for the last ten years and perhaps well before that. He quit pool at a time when he wasn't far from his best game. Had Sigel kept playing there are many that would agree that he would be among the top tier in the rankings.
So it is possible that Sigel is not as close to Trudeau as has been speculated. Closer than most but probably not bosum buddies. It is entirely possible that Sigel really has no real clue about the true state of Trudeau's finances nor really the specifics of any deal in the works other than what Trudeau has told him.
Sigel is probably relying on information that he has been told by Trudeau. At this point it does not do him any good to speculate negatively when there is no evidence to the contrary. Playing the what if game, what if the IPT has indeed been sold and the future is secure? In that case it would be foolish for Sigel or any other player with a lot to gain to delve in public negative speculation before they truly know one way or the other. If Trudeau has told Sigel that the IPT has been sold then Sigel faithfully relayed it to Medina.
Sigel is surely feeling the heat. He may have his doubts as well but he is smart not to disclose them. He is only complicit if he knew of the shortage of prize funds and he knows for a fact that Kevin is telling falsehoods to garner more investment and he relays this. Right now Sigel appears to be more of a faithful friend and hopeful voice for his player friends.
If Sigel has cars that were bought for him by KT then he has all the more reason to back his friend. At this point I very much doubt that Mike Sigel is a knowledgeable party to any criminal wrongdoing or is even fully in the know regarding the true state of the IPT. If he is then it will probably come out in the wash.
jay helfert said:
Jay, maybe Mike really believes it.
The best of these guy are so good at believing, telling and living their own lies that the followers they attract believe it even more than they do, and actually give life to the charade. Look at the Benny Hinns, Sun Young Moons, Jim Jones', sometimes they go on, and on for years, and even after they are "busted", there are people that continue to believe.
Maybe KT is really that good, for now. - Maybe he has been able to create some truth from the ashes.
Big Money said:
Well, I have a couple cars bought and paid for from my company I work for too. What does that mean? I take it to mean that MS bought the cars from his winnings from the LJJ match and the KOH. Are you saying otherwise?
I have MS's home phone number too, but I have chosen not to call him. He is entitled to his privacy without everyone bothering him. Besides, he can only tell us what KT has told him.
I do know that MS has been a guest at KT's home on several occasions. On one occasion, he was asked to play volleyball with the Kennedys and Shrivers. Maybe KT could sell his home on 'the most exclusive piece of land on the planet', to pay us peons off?
rackmsuckr said:Well, I have a couple cars bought and paid for from my company I work for too. What does that mean? I take it to mean that MS bought the cars from his winnings from the LJJ match and the KOH. Are you saying otherwise?
I have MS's home phone number too, but I have chosen not to call him. He is entitled to his privacy without everyone bothering him. Besides, he can only tell us what KT has told him.
I do know that MS has been a guest at KT's home on several occasions. On one occasion, he was asked to play volleyball with the Kennedys and Shrivers. Maybe KT could sell his home on 'the most exclusive piece of land on the planet', to pay us peons off?
Now you're talkin'!
rackmsuckr said:Well, I have a couple cars bought and paid for from my company I work for too. What does that mean? I take it to mean that MS bought the cars from his winnings from the LJJ match and the KOH. Are you saying otherwise?
I have MS's home phone number too, but I have chosen not to call him. He is entitled to his privacy without everyone bothering him. Besides, he can only tell us what KT has told him.
I do know that MS has been a guest at KT's home on several occasions. On one occasion, he was asked to play volleyball with the Kennedys and Shrivers. Maybe KT could sell his home on 'the most exclusive piece of land on the planet', to pay us peons off?
You're doing real good Linda. Now keep your laft just a little higher and step into it with your right.
ironman said:
... and if all else fails - just kick them in the balls!!!
straybullet said:... and if all else fails - just kick them in the balls!!!
KT, don't get this girl mad! You better pay off dude, or I'm sending Debra after you.
Snapshot9...<<if Trudeau could not cover the tour, at least for the first year, without going broke himself, why in the world did he do it to begin with? It doesn't make sense. >>
My personal opinion is that he got carried away with his reputation as a "marketing genius." Remember he is the same man who has generated untold millions of dollars selling books, DVD etc. touting cures that, in the opinion of the vast majority of scientific observers (at least those that I have read) do abolutely NOTHING beneficial and in many cases may be harmful.
It seems to me that he thought if he could get away with THAT, he could get away with ANYTHING.
In the meantime, I think he was lured by the utterly amazing phenomenon that is Texas Hold 'Em which is now by some accounts, an $80 billion industry. I remember watching a few hands of Hold 'Em on some obscure cable channel 20 years ago and it was about as engaging an event as watching grass grow...but look what is happening.
I think that KT felt that if he could create even ONE TENTH of that frenzy by offering such huge prize money that the IPT would be a huge success.
Personally, I have no clue why Texas Hold 'Em has struck such a nerve as it has nor do I have any clue as to why pool sports, which are among the most popular participant sports in America...if the NOT most popular...cannot get more of a TV audience or spectator base for the pro tournaments than is the case today.
But as to spectators, even ACTIVE pool players don't seem to care much about being spectators in MAJOR pro events. I have been to plenty of pro tournaments in Vegas during the BCA for example, where there were...what...8 THOUSAND pool players in town but I have been a spectator for such match-ups as Reyes vs. Bustamante when there were only 100 or so spectators in the room. Amazing. Even we as a group of pool playing fanatics don't support the pros in our best loved game.
And look at the IPT itself. With a huge percentage of the best players in the world all competing in the same room...in VEGAS...where people crowd into WAX MUSEUMS for something to do...there often weren't 50 spectators IN THE ENTIRE BALLROOM!
Regards,
Jim
My personal opinion is that he got carried away with his reputation as a "marketing genius." Remember he is the same man who has generated untold millions of dollars selling books, DVD etc. touting cures that, in the opinion of the vast majority of scientific observers (at least those that I have read) do abolutely NOTHING beneficial and in many cases may be harmful.
It seems to me that he thought if he could get away with THAT, he could get away with ANYTHING.
In the meantime, I think he was lured by the utterly amazing phenomenon that is Texas Hold 'Em which is now by some accounts, an $80 billion industry. I remember watching a few hands of Hold 'Em on some obscure cable channel 20 years ago and it was about as engaging an event as watching grass grow...but look what is happening.
I think that KT felt that if he could create even ONE TENTH of that frenzy by offering such huge prize money that the IPT would be a huge success.
Personally, I have no clue why Texas Hold 'Em has struck such a nerve as it has nor do I have any clue as to why pool sports, which are among the most popular participant sports in America...if the NOT most popular...cannot get more of a TV audience or spectator base for the pro tournaments than is the case today.
But as to spectators, even ACTIVE pool players don't seem to care much about being spectators in MAJOR pro events. I have been to plenty of pro tournaments in Vegas during the BCA for example, where there were...what...8 THOUSAND pool players in town but I have been a spectator for such match-ups as Reyes vs. Bustamante when there were only 100 or so spectators in the room. Amazing. Even we as a group of pool playing fanatics don't support the pros in our best loved game.
And look at the IPT itself. With a huge percentage of the best players in the world all competing in the same room...in VEGAS...where people crowd into WAX MUSEUMS for something to do...there often weren't 50 spectators IN THE ENTIRE BALLROOM!
Regards,
Jim