Minconceptions SW or Kersenbrock..

[HighEndCues]

does SW keep records of who put his hands on what cue, or do they put their stamp on ALL cues that came out of the shop? was there a david's cues and jerry's cues?

ken,,,,this is quite ridiculous, and skins stated it as simple as possible. an artist knows his work and now some people are disputing the artist's word???????????

I'm sure David did some cues solely himself.. even when he worked at the SW shop.. But they wouldn't have put a SW stamp on that paticular cue.. and wouldn't have a record of it being a SW... Cues David worked in a joint effort would have been considered SW's, since it was there shop..

Which Artist's word are people disputing???David or Laurie,Mickey,AL..
Same thing applies to the people at SW cues... I'm sure they know there own work also....
I'm not sure how accessable David is to do authentications.. I know SW offers this service for both makers..
This is a very unique situation... Two great cuemakers worked together in the same shop.. Both are capable of knowing there own work..
ken
highendcues

 

[bruin70]

I'm sure David did some cues solely himself.. even when he worked at the SW shop.. But they wouldn't have put a SW stamp on that paticular cue.. and wouldn't have a record of it being a SW...
ken
highendcues

then david could've put in all the work in the nose, and the others finished it off, and it would be an SW.

 

[HighEndCues]

then david could've put in all the work in the nose, and the others finished it off, and it would be an SW.

Thats a great point..... I'm sure if David did all the work himself on a cue it would be his.. If they finished it, well I guess that would there call... No one would know how they would label such a cue except for the parties involved... And I think they would both know about such a cue.. I'm sure it would have been noted..
Ken
highendcues

 

[masonh]

i read several post saying that i was stupid or crazy for saying that David id not the best person to identify a Kersenbrock and that SW would have a better chance to accurately identify one.i am not going to go into David's personal mental well being or his state of mind lately or currently in,but i will say that he has more than once denied making a cue that was authenticated as a Kers by SW.he is not always of the fittest mental fortitude.i honestly feel SW would do a better job authenticating the cue wether it is a SW or a Kersenbrock.they have huge records and are 100 times more organized and together.i guess some of you that called me stupid and dumb think that David is the man and can tell you any cue he made by sight,but he is not and that he is always right about his cues,but he is not.that is all i care to say about it here.

 

[nick serdula]

Welcome to the club

i read several post saying that i was stupid or crazy for saying that David id not the best person to identify a Kersenbrock and that SW would have a better chance to accurately identify one.i am not going to go into David's personal mental well being or his state of mind lately or currently in,but i will say that he has more than once denied making a cue that was authenticated as a Kers by SW.he is not always of the fittest mental fortitude.i honestly feel SW would do a better job authenticating the cue wether it is a SW or a Kersenbrock.they have huge records and are 100 times more organized and together.i guess some of you that called me stupid and dumb think that David is the man and can tell you any cue he made by sight,but he is not and that he is always right about his cues,but he is not.that is all i care to say about it here.

The stupider and dumder I seem or am called is no reflection on me. It is like the coyote handing Buggs his super genious card. Sooner or later they stand around with their mouths open in amazement. When you know what you are talking about and other people think they know too much it usually turns out that all you can do in the end is laugh a little! And the last laugh is usually mine. And it loks like you are in a simulair position. Mason, Enjoy your laugh even though you may have it to yourself, others may be laughing with you too!
Nick

 

[runscott]

The stupider and dumder I seem or am called is no reflection on me. It is like the coyote handing Buggs his super genious card. Sooner or later they stand around with their mouths open in amazement. When you know what you are talking about and other people think they know too much it usually turns out that all you can do in the end is laugh a little! And the last laugh is usually mine. And it loks like you are in a simulair position. Mason, Enjoy your laugh even though you may have it to yourself, others may be laughing with you too!
Nick

True, and if you don't state your opinion and get the chance to be corrected, you'll never learn much. Mason's point made perfect sense and if I thought I had a Kersenbrock that looked similar to a SW, I would send it to Laurie for her opinion.

Scott <=== tells Nick he is dumder all the time.

 

[skins]

if I thought I had a Kersenbrock that looked similar to a SW, I would send it to Laurie for her opinion.

what, in a cue, would make you think it's a Kersenbrock??

skin's......would go the the one i think made it first.

 

[hangemhigh]

How about someone post a couple of photos of the joint pin threads and other telling signs of his cues,besides the circle with DPK .

 

[runscott]

what, in a cue, would make you think it's a Kersenbrock??

skin's......would go the the one i think made it first.

That's kind of the point - no one here has given us any solid way of telling the difference between a Kers made the same time as the old SW's, so if I had a cue that someone else told me they thought was a Kersenbrock, and it looked like a SW to me, I would send it to Laurie, since I wouldn't know the difference, and since what I'm hearing in this thread is that odds are it is NOT a Kersenbrock, and Laurie keeps good records and knows what cues are NOT SW's.

 

[poolchady]

My thought is "NEVER PAY A KERSEN'S PRICE FOR A 6 POINTER". Always treat those 6 pointers as SW cues.
Those fancy Kersens can be easily identified though. If you want a Kersen start with a fancy one.

Another thought from Dr. Wu. "NEVER PAY A KERSEN'S PRICE FOR A 5 POINTED OMEGA/DPK".
He told me that Kersenbrock only made a few fancy cues when he was at Omega with Benders.

 

[skins]

That's kind of the point - no one here has given us any solid way of telling the difference between a Kers made the same time as the old SW's,.........

that's a valid point but do you think it's possible that some just don't want to share this info?? why would they??

 

[runscott]

that's a valid point but do you think it's possible that some just don't want to share this info?? why would they??

Some people suck the rest of the world dry while others give and take. In the end you have to look back and decide if you played well with others, because that's ultimately what it's all about - you aren't taking any of it with you.

 

[runscott]

Another thought from Dr. Wu. "NEVER PAY A KERSEN'S PRICE FOR A 5 POINTED OMEGA/DPK".
He told me that Kersenbrock only made a few fancy cues when he was at Omega with Benders.

I almost bought an Omega/DPK - very nice one at a good price - but the seller was very honest about it and told me that in all probability Kersenbrock never worked on the cue, and it was probably made mostly by Matt Bender. Those are the kind of sellers I'll go back to, even if I don't buy a cue from them today.

 

[nick serdula]

I used to be able to tell

But when I looked at my friends DPK today I could not see any differance between that cues threads and the Southwest cues threads. So either I am going blind,yup , or they are very much the same to a blind man!
I did notice the tint of the pin was almost gold and I mean like as in 24K and that struck me that I have never notice it before. It was a very pretty brass pin that didn't seem the usual brass color.
Thanks
Nick

 

[ShaneS]

I almost bought an Omega/DPK - very nice one at a good price - but the seller was very honest about it and told me that in all probability Kersenbrock never worked on the cue, and it was probably made mostly by Matt Bender. Those are the kind of sellers I'll go back to, even if I don't buy a cue from them today.

From what I hear -- coming from a very reliable source -- Kersenbrock never touched Omega/DPK's.

 

[ShaneS]

But when I looked at my friends DPK today I could not see any differance between that cues threads and the Southwest cues threads. So either I am going blind,yup , or they are very much the same to a blind man!
I did notice the tint of the pin was almost gold and I mean like as in 24K and that struck me that I have never notice it before. It was a very pretty brass pin that didn't seem the usual brass color.
Thanks
Nick

Sometimes there isn't a difference, but in the case where the threads unusually small, then you're looking at a Kersenbrock. Take, for instance, anything that comes out of Ed Young's shop. We all know the situation between Ed Young and DPK. Now look at threads on Ed's pins. They are incredibly small and sharp. In fact, I sold my Ed Young because I got a little sloppy when screwing on the JP and I end up cutting my hand. It wasn't a severe cut, but I don't go for that sort of thing...

Anyways, here is a picture of certified Kersenbrock. Look how small the threads are. Too atypical to a be a SW.

-Shane

Note: This pic. was taken from 3cushion.com. I don't own the cue or the pic.

 

[Addicted2CuesRU]

Why is that?

I think from what I gather. from what I have heard is that DPK is a very difficult man to get to talk to. I don't know anything first hand at all, but everyone I asked about him has told me the same.

This is from a guy who only started getting interested in top dollar high-end cues after buying a Kersenbrock three years ago.

At the time the person selling me the cue told me it was a Franklin Era SW Cue. I sent it to laurie and... Long story short... She told me i didnt have a SW it was a Kersh. She had to remove the wrap to be sure... maybe he signed under the wrap I dont know??

Here is a pic. Had to have a new wrap and it needed a new pin too, which SW fixed, and finished the cue. I have an authentication letter from laurie saying it is a Kersh.

 

[skins]

Some people suck the rest of the world dry...........

welcome to the wounderful thing we call LIFE......

 

[dmgwalsh]

I think from what I gather. from what I have heard is that DPK is a very difficult man to get to talk to. I don't know anything first hand at all, but everyone I asked about him has told me the same.

This is from a guy who only started getting interested in top dollar high-end cues after buying a Kersenbrock three years ago.

At the time the person selling me the cue told me it was a Franklin Era SW Cue. I sent it to laurie and... Long story short... She told me i didnt have a SW it was a Kersh. She had to remove the wrap to be sure... maybe he signed under the wrap I dont know??

Here is a pic. Had to have a new wrap and it needed a new pin too, which SW fixed, and finished the cue. I have an authentication letter from laurie saying it is a Kersh.

Nice cue. Bring it to Red Shoes next time you come by and we can see how it hits. Compare it to Latimers Kers and my Ed Young.

By the way Ed can be reached at 312 519-2505 or artisian@comcast.net. He has come by RS before with a selection of shafts and cues to try out. If you are getting him to come by, try to make it for a Monday so I can see him, too.

 

[TheMarsMan]

From what I hear -- coming from a very reliable source -- Kersenbrock never touched Omega/DPK's.

I have a good friend who was at their shop and saw David working on DPK's so I have some doubts in your source.

I have seen David's signature under the wrap on a Omega/DPK cue, I don't think he would of signed the cue if he hadn't touched it.