corvette1340 said:
Wow, now that is without a doubt anti-semitic.
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Wow, now that is without a doubt anti-semitic.
Andrew Manning said:
I think you're missing my point. Most of the jokes you speak of about Osama are done in a forum where it is expected. The shock-value is diminished because Jay Leno (or any other late-night host) does stuff like that all the time. Such is the case when Chris Rock is allowed to speak of racsim rather liberally where anyone other than him who would say such things would be labelled a racist even if all they were doing was repeating his jokes.
This is supposed to be a billiard forum, that's all I'm trying to convey. My expectations when I come here is to see things about pool, not about how a player looks like a Nazi and seeing Nazi pictures posted on the site.
Jude Rosenstock said:
Fair enough, I understand how you would be shocked to open a thread about pool players and see Himmler. I only wanted to speak up and say I didn't think the post was hostile to Judaism or anti-semitic (at least until corvette1340 made his Santa remark). I stand by what I said about not using that accusation lightly.
-Andrew
Jude Rosenstock said:
LOL! No offense, Jude, but that tickled my funny bone, but only the "asking Santa" part.
Well, today is December 18th, and so let me express my wishes to some readers of this forum to have a very HAPPY HANNUKAH, and to others, MERRY CHRISTMAS!
JAM
NYC cue dude said:
I like it when people voice their concern and openly object to posts they find offensive. Otherwise, how would everybody else be aware that the post was offensive to some?
I've learned a lot from posts like Jude's about what people are really thinking.
Chris
Ps. OK, the above was my serious post. Below is my joking post. If it offends anyone, I'll take it down.
Below, Massey and Moses.
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JAM said:LOL! No offense, Jude, but that tickled my funny bone, but only the "asking Santa" part.
Well, today is December 18th, and so let me express my wishes to some readers of this forum to have a very HAPPY HANNUKAH, and to others, MERRY CHRISTMAS!
JAM
Wow, I think with that said, I'm done with this forum. Good-bye.
Jude Rosenstock said:
Jude,
I can understand why the reference to war criminals would upset you, but please, if anybody here really had anything against Jews they would be immediate outcasts.
I've experienced just the opposite. My first girlfriend/fiancée was Jewish and her mom, a European immigrant, hated me -well, not me, but what I was - a first degree gentile with a name like Christopher!
Finally, after years of fighting me she agreed to accept me if I converted. So, I did. 10 weeks of classes at the Temple, a Rabbinical tribunal firing questions at me, baptism in the freezing ocean in January, and fortunately I already had the other thing when I was born, so that part was OK, thus I became, Christopher the Jewish. Of course, my girlfriend-fiancée promptly dumped me after all that.
So anyway, you can't assume anything.
Chris
Jude Rosenstock said:
Farewell, Jude. I have no idea why you would take offense to what I have written. As I have stated on this thread and MANY other threads on this forum, my best friend's father is a Holocaust survivor. Not only am I very familiar with her sensitivty, I have as well stated my sensitivity to the topic on this forum on NUMEROUS occasions. Just do a little search and find out for yourself.
As an aside, I transcribed many conferences, interviews, and video/audio tapes pertaining to the creation of the Holocaust Memorial Museum. My best friend was actually the court reporter in charge, and I assisted her in making the record for the various committees. I do not have one prejudice bone in my body.
If somebody cannot joke about Santa, then maybe you do need to take a break from this forum, but let me state that I feel very sorry for you, harboring such a sensitivity. It doesn't hurt anyone, but yourself.
Again, Happy Hannukah, Jude. I will not apologize for anything I have written on this thread.
JAM
Andrew Manning said:
It's like you're reading my mind and posting what I am gonna post, lol...
Jude, nobody wants you to leave this forum. My point was nobody is siding with anything that's anti-semetic. Heck, I am totally on Israel's side in this whole Israeli/Palestinian conflict!!! My father fought in a war because of what those evil Nazi SOB's did. I love Jewish culture, so please don't think that I am in the least bit anti-semetic. I was simply pointing out that you were being a little too drastic. Now it seems that you are pointing at anything and everything, and calling it anti semetic. Like I said in my first post, just chill out a bit. Nobody means any harm.
And I did speak with my friend today, who's father died in the holocaust. He said on a pool forum, he would be a bit surprised to see a picture like that. But it wouldn't offend him, as long as nothing anti semetic was said, or no kind of support was shown for the nazi.
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When a poster is about to offer a potentially controversial post, should that poster ask him/herself a) how should it be interpreted or b) how might it be interpreted? Ultimately, this is the question at the heart of the controversy that has resulted from this thread. Digging a little deeper into the initial post:
Ralf Souquet and Himmler
Perhaps there is a slight similarity in profile and posture, but so what? The image that a Gestapo officer brings to the forefront is that of war crimes and atrocities that still boggle the minds of all civilized men, evoking memories and thoughts that are painful to some. In a recent thread in which the matter of who is the classiest pro pool player was considered, Souquet garnered as much support as anybody, and rightfully so. Ralf has nothing in common with Himmler. The picture of Himmler is, unfortunately, inseparable from the associated imagery. I think Tim5000 came to understand this and I applaud him for removing the pictures.
Thorsten Hohmann and the Taco Bell Dog
It is difficult to imagine how anybody could suggest that Mr. Hohmann looks like the Taco Bell dog, so what is one to read into this comparison. In truth, there are many possible inferences that can be drawn. I can’t put all the pieces together, but I can speculate. The Taco Bell dog is proud and showy and a little over the top in its behavior. Mr. Hohmann is a symbol of excellence in pro pool, in both his play and his sportsmanship, but he is humble and has impeccable demeanor. Neither in appearance nor behavior is Thorsten similar to the Taco Bell dog. Finally, Thorsten is shown uttering “I want Taco Bell” in Spanish. At present, whether fairly or unfairly, Taco Bell has become a symbol of unclean food, so Thorsten saying I want Taco Bell can be interpreted negatively. What the comparison actually meant is something I still can’t figure out.
Jennifer Barretta and Fabio
Finally, the resemblance between Barretta and Fabio, though they are of opposite sexes, is noticeable. As each brings to mind elegance, grace, and enviable fitness, I think this comparison is within the boundaries of good taste and the imagery unobjectionable. Both the comparison and the underlying imagery are acceptable by my standards.
Conclusion
In the end, the lesson here is that pictures and symbols and metaphors are inseparable from the images they might evoke. This is not a call for being politically correct, for in my experience, nearly all posters on this forum already are or try to be. What I’m recommending is that we all develop and maintain a heightened awareness of how the use of language, pictures and symbols in our posts might be interpreted by others. I believe that doing so will make all of us better posters, more sensitive and more aware of each other.
So, to answer the question I posed at the beginning, a poster should try to consider how a potentially controversial post might be interpreted, not just how it should be interpreted.
Tim5000 learned from this ill-fate thread, and that’s admirable. Let’s learn with him.
Ralf Souquet and Himmler
Perhaps there is a slight similarity in profile and posture, but so what? The image that a Gestapo officer brings to the forefront is that of war crimes and atrocities that still boggle the minds of all civilized men, evoking memories and thoughts that are painful to some. In a recent thread in which the matter of who is the classiest pro pool player was considered, Souquet garnered as much support as anybody, and rightfully so. Ralf has nothing in common with Himmler. The picture of Himmler is, unfortunately, inseparable from the associated imagery. I think Tim5000 came to understand this and I applaud him for removing the pictures.
Thorsten Hohmann and the Taco Bell Dog
It is difficult to imagine how anybody could suggest that Mr. Hohmann looks like the Taco Bell dog, so what is one to read into this comparison. In truth, there are many possible inferences that can be drawn. I can’t put all the pieces together, but I can speculate. The Taco Bell dog is proud and showy and a little over the top in its behavior. Mr. Hohmann is a symbol of excellence in pro pool, in both his play and his sportsmanship, but he is humble and has impeccable demeanor. Neither in appearance nor behavior is Thorsten similar to the Taco Bell dog. Finally, Thorsten is shown uttering “I want Taco Bell” in Spanish. At present, whether fairly or unfairly, Taco Bell has become a symbol of unclean food, so Thorsten saying I want Taco Bell can be interpreted negatively. What the comparison actually meant is something I still can’t figure out.
Jennifer Barretta and Fabio
Finally, the resemblance between Barretta and Fabio, though they are of opposite sexes, is noticeable. As each brings to mind elegance, grace, and enviable fitness, I think this comparison is within the boundaries of good taste and the imagery unobjectionable. Both the comparison and the underlying imagery are acceptable by my standards.
Conclusion
In the end, the lesson here is that pictures and symbols and metaphors are inseparable from the images they might evoke. This is not a call for being politically correct, for in my experience, nearly all posters on this forum already are or try to be. What I’m recommending is that we all develop and maintain a heightened awareness of how the use of language, pictures and symbols in our posts might be interpreted by others. I believe that doing so will make all of us better posters, more sensitive and more aware of each other.
So, to answer the question I posed at the beginning, a poster should try to consider how a potentially controversial post might be interpreted, not just how it should be interpreted.
Tim5000 learned from this ill-fate thread, and that’s admirable. Let’s learn with him.
TATE said:
that is funny as hell!
picture moses with the cue in his hands, the loud vest, and mike with the ten commandments.
psychoblinker said:that is funny as hell!
Thanks, I was trying to lighten the spirits.
However, I can see where Mike Massey might get offended. If so, let's see him jump up and play Moses and his mace. If if does, I'm taking all side action on Moses. Let's see how Massey does with a plague of dog flies, lice, frogs and locusts infesting him.
Chris
Jude Rosenstock said:
I don’t know the guy that started this post but im willing to lay pretty good odds that his intention was not to oppress the Jews, or to get people to think that Jennifer Baretta is a man. Lighten up pal, it was only a joke. Im Italian and I don’t get all pissy and play the victim when some one makes a joke about all Italians being in the mob, or greasy, or any of that other bu*ll sh*it
TATE said:
I am a catholic and that is offensive, LOL im kidding. That is the funniest thing I have seen here, except maybe the santa thing. But not because of the religious implications but because its just funny. There’s not hate in this post its just a good time, it is ok to laugh sometimes.
P.S. I know this is not about comparing playing abilities but I would just like to point out that if he could part the Red Sea he could give him at least the 6 ball
Alls i can say is people need to have a sense of humor,but if people want to be babies then delete the thread,so i will close this out with a who gives a poop.
