I think there was one match this year that took five and a half hours. Depending on when it happened, it might not have hurt anything. If those happen every round, there is a problem. It's hard to predict.
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Just curious if that was by any chance an Anthony Meglino match?
So you're telling me that the One Pocket did not affect the scheduling of the 9-Ball matches or the 14.1 final matches. If so, that would be a first.
And by the way, I've only known you for 20 years since I'm just 39. I guess you're a lot older than me.
So they did visit your table. Aha!
I recall that the final rack of one of Roberto Gomez' matches in the late rounds took the best part of three hours, but I can't recall against whom he was playing.
I prefer to say, "chess clocks."Bob, don't say "four ball rule" or you will get your mouth washed out with soap.
The one pocket seems to take a lot of the heat but in my opinion it wasn't the biggest problem this year. The first problem was the banks. It said right on the website that the player limit was 400. I'm standing there talking to Greg and he says I got to go, they are letting in too many people. They didnt stop many more taking entries past the noon cut off time. They didnt even finish the draw until well after 1 as far as I could tell. So they had 503 players and also had to use all the action room tables until midnight most of the first week. That sucked. This tournament was built around that room. That sorely disappointed many of us as we choose to socialize in that area. Simply limiting the banks to 400 would have alleviated most of the problems. But they sucked out as much dead money tournament cash as they could the first day.
Then came the one pocket. The banks were still using a bunch of tables so the one pocket matches were behind as they didnt have enough tables. Then to make matters worse, they didn't schedule ANY one pocket matches the first round Thursday morning... so there you go they screwed up the action room and the 14:1. In my opinion you start by limiting the banks to a manageable 400 and put the cutoff time at 11:00 instead of noon. Start the banks a hour early at 12:00 and your off and running with a manageable amount of players for the size of your venue.
As for the Grady/4 ball rule, I discussed it with Greg Thursday before the banks started and invited him to our onepocket.org members tournament in Memphis at the end of March to play with us using the Grady/4 ball rule so he can personally see if he might like to use it at DCC next year. I am the tournament director for that tournament. His first comment was to say it will be a rule next year no matter what but you never know.
I'm not a 14:1 player or fan myself, but I do hate to see that end for the people who love it because of what in my opinion is simply over booking the initial bank player entries.
finish the draw until well after 1 as far as I could tell. So they had 503 players and also had to use all the action room tables until midnight most of the first week. That sucked. This tournament was built around that room. That sorely disappointed many of us as we choose to socialize in that area. Simply limiting the banks to 400 would have alleviated most of the problems. But they sucked out as much dead money tournament cash as they could the first day.Then came the one pocket. The banks were still using a bunch of tables so the one pocket matches were behind as they didnt have enough tables. Then to make matters worse, they didn't schedule ANY one pocket matches the first round Thursday morning... so there you go they screwed up the action room and the 14:1. In my opinion you start by limiting the banks to a manageable 400 and put the cutoff time at 11:00 instead of noon. Start the banks a hour early at 12:00 and your off and running with a manageable amount of players for the size of your venue.
As for the Grady/4 ball rule, I discussed it with Greg Thursday before the banks started and invited him to our onepocket.org members tournament in Memphis at the end of March to play with us using the Grady/4 ball rule so he can personally see if he might like to use it at DCC next year. I am the tournament director for that tournament. His first comment was to say it will be a rule next year no matter what but you never know.
I'm not a 14:1 player or fan myself, but I do hate to see that end for the people who love it because of what in my opinion is simply over booking the initial bank player entries.
I'd love to see that one in action some day, but how much would it cost to outfit thirty some tables with chess clocks and what are the chances they won't get stolen?
Like the TV sets in a cheap motel, they'll have to be bolted to the floor!
One of these years they will wise up and institute the "Grady" rule for the One Pocket and watch what a huge difference that will make! They almost did it this year but got talked out of it by a few very vocal opponents. Too bad, once more one big cluster f'ck in the scheduling of matches.
No need to pick on just the One Pocket though! 9-ball went from race to 7 to race to 9 a few years ago, and starting Wednesday, 9-Ball is the DCC TD's priority, so starting Wednesday the One Pocket starts to fall behind. They also blame the HOF dinner Wednesday night for the One Pocket needing to finish Friday. I studied that thoroughly for 2018, and the dinner could not have had much impact because there were only 6 players attending the dinner who even made it to the round that began the day of the dinner (Wednesday). They just don't push the One Pocket as much as they should once the 9-ball starts, period. For example, Thursday morning this year a full slate of matches began at 10 AM -- but all 9-Ball, even though they still had 20 players left in the One Pocket. Their first One Pocket match Thursday was noon.
They had a warning rule in place this year, for matches taking too long, but I neither saw nor heard of any warnings being issued. Of course I could have missed some. I saw one late round match between Gomez and Aranas that had only 4 balls on the table, last about an hour getting from those four balls to out! PS no warning issued that I saw anyway. And the Grady rule would not have helped there.
I think the issue with the Grady rule is although it is as simple as you can make it, it is not that obvious for real players in real play, and takes some getting used to, to even notice that more than 4 balls are behind the headstring. With DCC players from all over the world, and some of them not even that familiar with regular One Pocket rules, I can see where the Grady rule would be a headache for the TD desk.
But regarding the renovation, as someone posted below, the main thing is the casino is moving to the land, and the boat will be gone, due to changes in Indiana gaming laws. The food court will be back in some form, but as I understand it, there will be no additional convention space.
My only thought is, would there be some kind of temporary structure that would survive the KY January weather to securely hold another 10 or more tables, that could be located in one of the parking areas??? Make that the action room???
The comments of Bob Jewett, that the straight pool will not be there, is a direct result of the 9-ball being difficult to finish in time, so there is NO WAY the players who were still left in the Straight pool could take time out from their 9-ball matches without a forfeit -- so those players were forced to choose -- eithe play in the straight pool or play in the 9-ball. So a couple of them forfeited in the straight pool even though there was $7500 at stake in the straight pool!!! Brutal!!! But that is what it was IMO (which could be wrong, yet again, lol).
Glue them to cinder blocks.:thumbup:
They cost about $40 delivered for one. I bet that if you let the company know that you were going to introduce them in the premiere pool event in the US, they would give you a price break on 50. Cinder blocks are a couple of bucks each in small quantities.
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Massive ice storm. I think you were there for it. Flooded parking lots. You saw that this year.
But I think they could wall off part of parking level 2 (dry) and install heaters (warm) but it would require permits (easy?), engineering and construction (expensive) and a lot of cooperation from the Horseshoe (impossible).
That is a pretty good assessment and it made me laugh too :grin-square:
The ceilings in the parking garage are probably too low to accommodate table lighting though.
And yes, I was there for the ice storm -- fortunately I was already in the house so it did not bother me. It did keep some people from making the drive for our HOF dinner though, including Banks inductee Tony Ferguson, who came the following year instead.
Let's see - one simple rule change to speed up the One Pocket matches or we buy 50 chess clocks and cinder blocks (2K plus change) and decide where to put them for matches and another place to store them when they are not being used. Hmmm, I need to think about that one. This is a tough decision.
Bob, you have hit the nail on the head.
The buy-backs delay everything at DCC !
Players sit around for hours waiting for their next match.
So, we have had canceled 14.1 Semis and Finals and 9-Ball Finals at 3:00AM.
Ridiculous.
As soon as a player gets his first lost he should be required to buy back immediately or drop out.
Why wait several hours to make that decision?
Let's see - one simple rule change to speed up the One Pocket matches or we buy 50 chess clocks and cinder blocks (2K plus change) and decide where to put them for matches and another place to store them when they are not being used. Hmmm, I need to think about that one. This is a tough decision.
Give it up.
GS thinks the 1pocket rules are just fine as they are and have always been. He has no desire to mess with the core elements of the game. And, the 1pocket rules are not the reason the whole DCC runs slow. Others have already touched on numerous elements that come into play and lead to that result.
Lou Figueroa
If a player loses in the last round for the night often the buy back window is closed and the player has to wait till morning to buy back.