Mosconi Cup 2024, Nov. 30-Dec. 3, Orlando

I have to say Alcaide may be one of the most underrated players in the pool world.
I myself always think of him as kind of a weak link on Europe's MC teams. But he has one of the best stats every year, makes good decisions, has great knowlege of the game and has a very solid all around game.
 
After Day 3, Gorst the worst performer on both teams. Played 1 single +3 doubles and won nothing. Even weak link Krause and hillBilly performed better :ROFLMAO:
Blew multiple chances, shots and IIRC the "best jumper" didn't make any jump shot also. Maybe blame it on commentator curse cos each time commentator acclaim him as best jumper in world, he botch the jump shot :LOL:

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tyler is playing really well this year. if i were sky i'd match him in the second match today, followed by gorst, svb, billy. honestly could have billy over svb/gorst if we're going by pressure cope alone, but you have to believe shane and fedor can come good and if they do their all around game is just better in every department
 
Looks like I have to eat my words from yesterday. Team USA did win the opening team match, but it all went downhill from there.

My overall take on Day 3 is as follows. Once again I love the team match to open each day, although tomorrow I think there's still a singles match left over from today to start out. IMHO today saw a much higher level of play by all concerned but the four top guys from Euro were just too good, and carried Mickey along with them. The matches were closer than the score indicates, thanks to some good fortune by the Euro's, who really didn't need it. They played that good. Other than a couple of early bobbles it was one flawless performance after another.

I was on the edge of my seat with anticipation after the team match and the score at 6-5 Europe. The next doubles match had Sky/Shane up against Ruiz/Krause. It looked good on paper for our side. First game went to Euros after they got BIH on the seven. No big deal. Second to US after Krause misses a long two ball and US makes a clean run out for 1-1. Next game Sky scratches on the break, BIH to Euros and they mop up for 2-1. Good break by Ruiz, wide open table, easy run out, 3-1. Failed break by Shane, open table, Euro cruises through the rack, 4-1. Another good break for Euros and they run out to win 5-1. Just like that it's over. After the second game, Team USA barely got back to the table. The great Francisco Ruiz literally carried Krause across the finish line, leaving him perfect position shot after shot. If Krause got out of line, no matter, Francisco would bring them right back into line. Simply an amazing performance by a great player. He made Mickey look good and was complementary to him even after the match. 7-5 Europe

Next we had singles with Billy Thorp and David Alcaide. We start off with a good run out by Billy for a 1-0 lead. He looks fit and ready for the fight. David makes a break and run, 1-1. Thorp makes a ball on the break but has no shot. Alcaide does get a shot though and makes another smooth run out for 2-1 lead. As good as Francisco had just played, where he had to work for every shot, David made it look like just another day in the park, one clean shot after another, staying in line all the way. If that wasn't enough he then broke and ran out the next rack for a 3-1 advantage. This time he did get out of line on the eight and the nine, slicing each one in the heart of the pocket.

Finally Billy got a look at the two ball in the next game and made a really high quality run out to close the gap to 3-2 down. He showed tremendous heart imo to make a run out like that after what he had just witnessed from Alcaide. Next game Billy comes with an excellent kick safe that yields him a shot on the two and then he plays perfect position for a 3-9 combo. Swishes it and he's tied the match at 3-3. I want to stand up and clap! But alas another scratch on the break by Billy and once again David methodically mows down the rack for a 4-3 lead. This guy is a machine! He seems less bothered by the so called MC pressure than any other player. In the final game they have a good safety battle on the two that Alcaide eventually wins, and what else, one more beautiful run out. It's over, Billy played as good as he could, but David played super solid from start to finish. Europe leads 8-5.

Next we have Gorst and Styer vs. Shaw and Kaci. In the first game Jayson misses an easy five ball and the US takes the lead 1-0. Game two a long safety battle ensues that Europe wins to tie the match 1-1. Game three Euros are running out until Shaw is faced with a tricky eight and nine ball on the long rail. Kaci had put him in an awkward position for the shot. Jayson tries a billiard on the nine that fails. Gorst makes a nice long shot on the eight and they win for a 2-1 lead. Good break shot by Tyler and they make a very efficient run out for a 3-1 lead. There is life left in Team USA. Game five and Tyler has a table length shot on the three ball that requires a big stroke to get back up table for the four. He jars the three and Euros run out for a 3-2 deficit. Gorst now scratches on the break and Euros run out the open rack. It's 3-3. Golden break by Euros and they lead 4-3. In the final game Gorst misses a long three ball and the Euros clean the table again for the 5-3 win. They lead 9-5 and the festivities are halted for the day. A merciful end to yet one more bad day for Team USA. They played their best for the most part and looked to have chances in each match, but Team Europe was just too strong with max efforts by their big four. The scratches on the break being the big killers for the US chances.

All of a sudden it looks like another dismal year for our side. They looked ready for the battle ahead and never gave up but were simply outgunned. These guys are not quitters by any means. That much is clear. But it will take a miracle now to change the outcome.
I fully agree the team idea at the start of each day is brilliant. Should have been that way in the past. Great format to start the day.

Also I noticed that alcaide looks relaxed and more comfortable than anyone else there. He ain’t buying into the “most pressure ever” drama. All biz, no BS.

Great summery Jay. Any thoughts on the purple 5? 😉

Best
Fatboy😃😃
 
SVB made a career of having the best serve in the business and playing behind it. Unfortunately for him MR wanted 9-Ball with their break rules which neutered his big weapon.

Oh and here is a little secret...Europe is playing better. Just imagine how much worse it would be with Filler and Albin or even Niels. Those three are not just pretty faces. They are rock hard competitors with Mosconi records to prove it.
Yet SVB still winning .... because as Matchoom says He is the GOAT.
 
The comment was a joke. Don't get all bum hurt. But if you think these two wouldn't be an upgrade. Well you simply don't understand pool.

Alex in his mid 40's is an 811 and Morra a 795

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WTF did Johnny Morra ever win again?
Alex is awesome, but Alex of yesterday gives Alex of today the 5 out.

I know pool cuz I watched all these guys come up over the past 30 years. Had them play at my pool hall and gambled with or against them. I beat Styer when he was like 17 and made him cry. Had Morra 7 to 7 at DCC, broke dry and lost from there. Had the Terminator down 6 to 3 at DCC. So yeah I still know who is who and what is what son.
 
I fully agree the team idea at the start of each day is brilliant. Should have been that way in the past. Great format to start the day.

Also I noticed that alcaide looks relaxed and more comfortable than anyone else there. He ain’t buying into the “most pressure ever” drama. All biz, no BS.

Great summery Jay. Any thoughts on the purple 5? 😉

Best
Fatboy😃😃
I think we should beat the guy with a Balabushka who said, "Hey let's make the 5 ball purple".

Who the hell is this idiot, and what company did he work for that approved it? I hope he is in the unemployment line with the designer of the elephant balls.
 
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Jayson Shaw said he had told the Europeam team not to play in the International Open. Europe were rested and ready for this tournament.

What were USA doing? They were playing in the International Open.

USA need somebody like Johan to bring in some discipline.

Team USA lack professionalism.
 
Jayson Shaw said he had told the Europeam team not to play in the International Open. Europe were rested and ready for this tournament.

What were USA doing? They were playing in the International Open.

USA need somebody like Johan to bring in some discipline.

Team USA lack professionalism.

everyone in team europe played the international 9b, including jayson. he probably meant not playing the 14.1
 
JJ said he thinks sky will play

1. sky
2. tyler
3. sky
4. svb or gorst

billy not even in the conversation
 
Accustats/ many U.S tourneys have their own rules on shot clocks..
Like cueball fouls only.. :D rest of the world plays all fouls..
Normal shot clock you have to strike.
In all if the tournaments I’ve seen with Europeans and Asians, they’re all been “the player can shoot after the clock has expired as long as they are down and stay down.” It’s actually been a highlighted discussion from @sjm because players like Chang JL go over the expiration every frame.
 
I only had time to watch the Thorpe/Alcaide match and, though a few rolls were involved, it was just a case of two different classes of players.

I did see the woman dressed in white and there was absolutely nothing wrong with that outfit. She looked fine and classy.
Agreed, on the woman in white.

Kind of a dead horse at this point, but I was talking about this.

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I'm sure she is a lovely woman, but in the context of the MC I don't feel she is appropriate. I'd rather see an Allison Fisher, Jasmin Ouschan, someone who shows some respect to the game.

My apologies for ever bringing this up in the first place.
 
The 4" pockets just have to go, it isn't American Pool. This is the Mosconi Cup, not the O'Sullivan Cup, the 4" pockets are an abomination. This would be a much better exhibition match on 4.25" or 4.5" pockets, like pool is supposed to be played.

Tyler hasn't played that great, he just hasn't uncharacteristically missed as much as our other players. Gorst is fiddling with his equipment too much and is too robotic for this combination of pressure and time clock. Sky is made for this but can't pull it off on his own. SVB should gracefully bow out of MC invitations, he isn't a team player and probably does more harm to team morale than good. That being said, at least it hasn't been a complete blowout this year, we got closer. There were times I entertained the idea that we may keep it competitive.

On the other hand, it has been nice seeing Alcaide do so well with his family there, and to see the support that Micky Krause is getting. I find myself appreciating some of the Europeans more, they just stick to their fundamentals and do what is needed. Expect for Jayson, he is going a little overboard. But I guess that is his shtick.
 
Shane whipped Corey Duel with the 5 out.

With just the 8 Sky would have zero chance. Not much of a spot anyways.
Well, I was responding to a claim that Sky was better than both Shane and Gorst. That he is not was my only point. I agree he has no chance.
 
he is better than both in the mosconi cup. it's just a different pressure from anything else in the pool calendar, and some players thrive under it while others underperforms badly. sky has been the best team USA player for years
I thought you meant best player in general. My bad
 
Not in the shot clock events I’ve attended.
I think any event that has the five seconds of audible beeping requires the ball to be struck before expiration. I think all Matchroom events are like that. Also, the player must call an extension.

Accu-stats/Fleming uses the "down on the shot is OK" time rule. They also give an automatic extension if the player has one. If the player doesn't, the timer or ref says "ten" when ten seconds are left.
 
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