Mosconi Cup 2024, Nov. 30-Dec. 3, Orlando

Looks like I have to eat my words from yesterday. Team USA did win the opening team match, but it all went downhill from there.

My overall take on Day 3 is as follows. Once again I love the team match to open each day, although tomorrow I think there's still a singles match left over from today to start out. IMHO today saw a much higher level of play by all concerned but the four top guys from Euro were just too good, and carried Mickey along with them. The matches were closer than the score indicates, thanks to some good fortune by the Euro's, who really didn't need it. They played that good. Other than a couple of early bobbles it was one flawless performance after another.

I was on the edge of my seat with anticipation after the team match and the score at 6-5 Europe. The next doubles match had Sky/Shane up against Ruiz/Krause. It looked good on paper for our side. First game went to Euros after they got BIH on the seven. No big deal. Second to US after Krause misses a long two ball and US makes a clean run out for 1-1. Next game Sky scratches on the break, BIH to Euros and they mop up for 2-1. Good break by Ruiz, wide open table, easy run out, 3-1. Failed break by Shane, open table, Euro cruises through the rack, 4-1. Another good break for Euros and they run out to win 5-1. Just like that it's over. After the second game, Team USA barely got back to the table. The great Francisco Ruiz literally carried Krause across the finish line, leaving him perfect position shot after shot. If Krause got out of line, no matter, Francisco would bring them right back into line. Simply an amazing performance by a great player. He made Mickey look good and was complementary to him even after the match. 7-5 Europe

Next we had singles with Billy Thorp and David Alcaide. We start off with a good run out by Billy for a 1-0 lead. He looks fit and ready for the fight. David makes a break and run, 1-1. Thorp makes a ball on the break but has no shot. Alcaide does get a shot though and makes another smooth run out for 2-1 lead. As good as Francisco had just played, where he had to work for every shot, David made it look like just another day in the park, one clean shot after another, staying in line all the way. If that wasn't enough he then broke and ran out the next rack for a 3-1 advantage. This time he did get out of line on the eight and the nine, slicing each one in the heart of the pocket.

Finally Billy got a look at the two ball in the next game and made a really high quality run out to close the gap to 3-2 down. He showed tremendous heart imo to make a run out like that after what he had just witnessed from Alcaide. Next game Billy comes with an excellent kick safe that yields him a shot on the two and then he plays perfect position for a 3-9 combo. Swishes it and he's tied the match at 3-3. I want to stand up and clap! But alas another scratch on the break by Billy and once again David methodically mows down the rack for a 4-3 lead. This guy is a machine! He seems less bothered by the so called MC pressure than any other player. In the final game they have a good safety battle on the two that Alcaide eventually wins, and what else, one more beautiful run out. It's over, Billy played as good as he could, but David played super solid from start to finish. Europe leads 8-5.

Next we have Gorst and Styer vs. Shaw and Kaci. In the first game Jayson misses an easy five ball and the US takes the lead 1-0. Game two a long safety battle ensues that Europe wins to tie the match 1-1. Game three Euros are running out until Shaw is faced with a tricky eight and nine ball on the long rail. Kaci had put him in an awkward position for the shot. Jayson tries a billiard on the nine that fails. Gorst makes a nice long shot on the eight and they win for a 2-1 lead. Good break shot by Tyler and they make a very efficient run out for a 3-1 lead. There is life left in Team USA. Game five and Tyler has a table length shot on the three ball that requires a big stroke to get back up table for the four. He jars the three and Euros run out for a 3-2 deficit. Gorst now scratches on the break and Euros run out the open rack. It's 3-3. Golden break by Euros and they lead 4-3. In the final game Gorst misses a long three ball and the Euros clean the table again for the 5-3 win. They lead 9-5 and the festivities are halted for the day. A merciful end to yet one more bad day for Team USA. They played their best for the most part and looked to have chances in each match, but Team Europe was just too strong with max efforts by their big four. The scratches on the break being the big killers for the US chances.

All of a sudden it looks like another dismal year for our side. They looked ready for the battle ahead and never gave up but were simply outgunned. These guys are not quitters by any means. That much is clear. But it will take a miracle now to change the outcome.
 
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So if you're Skyler, do you send Tyler ahead of SVB and Gorst in the singles?

It would be a big call, but I think you need to.

My order would be

1. Woodward
2. Styer
3. Van Boening
4. Thorpe
5. Gorst

If Woodward and Styer win the first two, then you're at 9-7 and it's game on. Both have been playing well and are capable of pulling it off.
 
Even though Team USA is on the losing end, I'm still enjoying many aspects of this event, with the exception of Matchroom Pool's darling who prances around the stage like a dancing monkey with his wide, exaggerated open mouth. Even if I was rooting for Team Europe, this kind of behavior, at least for me, is a huge turnoff.

I'm not sure what's going on with Fedor Gorst, but this team sport is not his cup of tea. Tyler Styler is like a breath of fresh air, and I think his training under Coach Johan is really paying off. Even though Team USA is on a losing end, he's had had a great Cup performance.

On a good note. I really admire Francisco Sanchez Ruiz's demeanor during the Mosconi Cup, especially when he was partners with Mickey Krause. He had a calming effect on Mickey while at the same time giing him confidence. It was awe-inspiring and why I'm a big fan of FSR. I also think Mickey Krause is a rising star, and we will be seeing more of him in the future pool headlines.

For me on Day 3, even though Team USA lost the match, seeing this team spirit between FSR and Mickey made my day.

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So if you're Skyler, do you send Tyler ahead of SVB and Gorst in the singles?

It would be a big call, but I think you need to.

My order would be

1. Woodward
2. Styer
3. Van Boening
4. Thorpe
5. Gorst

If Woodward and Styer win the first two, then you're at 9-7 and it's game on. Both have been playing well and are capable of pulling it off.
I send Billy and Tyler on a sabotage mission tonight or the order doesn't matter🤣
 
Who do Pags and Morra beat anyway?
You can play them vs Billy and Tyler and go broke.
Yeah. 10 years ago, both would have helped the cause. Now -- Alex's game wouldn't hold up in the Mosconi and Morra is about Oscar's speed.

What's going on in Canada? It seems their slow divorce from snooker (fell out of love) is limiting their development of pool talent too.
 
So if you're Skyler, do you send Tyler ahead of SVB and Gorst in the singles?

It would be a big call, but I think you need to.

My order would be

1. Woodward
2. Styer
3. Van Boening
4. Thorpe
5. Gorst

If Woodward and Styer win the first two, then you're at 9-7 and it's game on. Both have been playing well and are capable of pulling it off.

1. Woodward (best US player for several years now).
2. Gorst (He's still a World Champion and Tyler is not).
3. Tyler/SVB (tough call)
5. Thorpe
 
So if you're Skyler, do you send Tyler ahead of SVB and Gorst in the singles?

It would be a big call, but I think you need to.

My order would be

1. Woodward
2. Styer
3. Van Boening
4. Thorpe
5. Gorst

If Woodward and Styer win the first two, then you're at 9-7 and it's game on. Both have been playing well and are capable of pulling it off.
I’d put Billy over Fedor and SVB at this point.
 
I’d put Billy over Fedor and SVB at this point.
I understand putting someone over SVB at this point since we have years of data on him, and honestly - his game away from the Mosconi has ALWAYS included random bad misses that he could outrun. His game has never been ideal for the MC. The MC has always been more about how bad you can play (your B game) than how good you can (your A game). This is why Tyler has done better than many expected over the past few years. He has a really good B game.

Now -- you can't give up on Fedor yet as he may just be the best player in the world and his game doesn't really include bad misses. He just needs a little more time. He could easily turn it around tomorrow.
 
I’ve probably watched more of Gorst in the past by year than anyone on this board. He streams most of his matches and lots of practices. I put it on when I am shooting.

Gorst needs a little more seasoning for the Mosconi, sure. Sky wasn’t Sky right away, either.

But my theory is he has not been the same since he pulled out of the Hanoi Open with a weird illness. Maybe he’s dialed back or is worried about a recurrence. I dunno. He just hasn’t been as sharp or focused. It was true in Puerto Rico and at the international open. It’s been true at the Mosconi.
 
Yeah. 10 years ago, both would have helped the cause. Now -- Alex's game wouldn't hold up in the Mosconi and Morra is about Oscar's speed.

What's going on in Canada? It seems their slow divorce from snooker (fell out of love) is limiting their development of pool talent too.
Might be 10 decent players in what...35 million people?
 
Who do Pags and Morra beat anyway?
You can play them vs Billy and Tyler and go broke.
The comment was a joke. Don't get all bum hurt. But if you think these two wouldn't be an upgrade. Well you simply don't understand pool.

Alex in his mid 40's is an 811 and Morra a 795

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I've noticed this in the past, but I have seen it many times in this event...all of the Euros are very quick to compliment the USA players when they make a good shot. Even Jayson Shaw (who's antics I cannot stand) does not hesitate to tap the table or otherwise acknowledge when one of our guys pulls off a great shot.

I think it is a reflection of their confidence in their own games -- they aren't threatened by the performance of others and are happy to congratulate others when they do well.
 
Caught up watching today's matches.

Europe isn't playing any better. Still outright missing shots.
They are outbreaking USA and getting shots after the break much more.

That said....the pool gods just hate USA. Every roll goes against us.

Tomorrow I'll watch but I hope Europe either wins the first set or loses.

Worst part is watching these guys prance around to the worst techno music.....our music gives theirs the 3 and out with all the breaks.
SVB made a career of having the best serve in the business and playing behind it. Unfortunately for him MR wanted 9-Ball with their break rules which neutered his big weapon.

Oh and here is a little secret...Europe is playing better. Just imagine how much worse it would be with Filler and Albin or even Niels. Those three are not just pretty faces. They are rock hard competitors with Mosconi records to prove it.
 
I haven't read but a few posts this thread, but it doesn't matter.... it's the same old same old for the past 15 years. USA simply does not have near the breadth of players that Europe or Asia does. The last time we did was in the 1990s. Shane has actually been far and away the best USA player since TAR 1 in 2007. That is a span of 17 years! That should never happen in any sport for one player to dominate that long.

It's not getting better either. There are no 16 year olds today that were like Archer or Corey when they were 16. And the 20 year old pros today are not good enough.

Now we are at least 5 years out, as there "might" be a 12 year old USA player somewhere that will be a champion at 17.

I probably wrote about the same thing every year for 15 years on these forums.
 
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