Mosconi Cup break rules

efirkey

efirkey

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I think they need to rethink the breaking rules for the mosconi cup when Johnny Archer hits about a 23mph break with 5 balls ending up on the other end of the table and it isn't considered a legal break.

Can't they just use a radar gun or leave it up the the referee's discretion?
 
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I agree 100%. If the balls are broke over a certain speed, its not the players fault, if a ball gets kicked before it crosses the head string. I also think the nineball should be racked on the spot. The one ball is on a string to the side pocket. This is entirely a breaking game. Maybe even change it to 10ball?
 
Its bullcrap...balls drop...and its illegal....

someone needs to pull the stats and see who had more "illegal breaks" leading to wins by the opponent who should have remained in their chair...


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anyone else find Darren Appleton extremely annoying? Okay... you won a race to 6 in the mosconi cup... now play shane some race to 100 if your such a badass.
 
tryhonesty07 said:
anyone else find Darren Appleton extremely annoying? Okay... you won a race to 6 in the mosconi cup... now play shane some race to 100 if your such a badass.
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Yes. Haha.

I also think the break rule is stupid. SVB hit the break hard, pocketed a ball, had one ball pass the head string and the cueball did too. It was called a bad break.
 
chipperd said:
I agree 100%. If the balls are broke over a certain speed, its not the players fault, if a ball gets kicked before it crosses the head string. I also think the nineball should be racked on the spot. The one ball is on a string to the side pocket. This is entirely a breaking game. Maybe even change it to 10ball?
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I don't care for the current rules either , but no sense changing to 10-ball.

Mosconi played staight pool not 9-ball or 10-ball. So if anything 14.1 would make more sense !

The 9 is racked on the spot also.
 
I think they should change the whole format all together. Instead of it being just 9-ball, it should be a combination of all types of cuesports. I'm talking about 8-ball for one match, 9-ball for another match, a 10-ball match, one match for straight pool, and one pocket/banks/3 cushion/ and snooker (if necessary). Allow for the captain to choose who plays what type of game, but each player must play each day, and then a mixture of doubles, and a captains pick of player vs game. That'll show which team is more talented.
 
I really like the team aspect of the Mosconi cup! I was glued to the laptop all weekend sweating the action. I would like to see something besides just 9ball, but I understand why they play just 1 game.....average joe can understand it.

As for the break rules.....they, for a lack of a better term SUCK DONKEY!

like everyone else has eluded to.....when any player slams the rack and makes a ball and has to turn the table over....there is something wrong with the rules!!

a radar gun would work great AND add a cool tech element with a MPH guage everyone can see.
 
Wow, each time something is not running THE AMERICAN WAY it has to be wrong - thats typical, sorry.
The rules are rules for both teams and thats it ;)

This time the Europeans won - nobody is interested in how they won - they WON, thats it. Accept it :thumbup:

Eric"h" ----- no matter how the rules are - Europe, Europe :grin:
 
Frankly Team Europe out played Team USA adn thats about it.. Sorry to say it but rules are rules and both teams had to play by them.

I agree with most of you that it sucks that USA got burned a few times for the break but overall Team Europe also lost a few breaks due to this rule.. A lot of people forget that. Maybe somebody should find some stats and post them up. Also how many times did Team USA lose the rack after giving up the table after a bad break?? Hmmmm... Some food for thought.
 
I agree that Europe played better overall and ultimately handled the immense pressure better. They deserved to win and I wouldn't blame the break rules for the outcome. Both teams were playing by the same set of rules.

Having said that, as an intellectual discussion not related to this particular Mosconi Cup, there is imo some problem with the three ball past the head string rule. Many times for both squads it seems that a kiss here or collision there prevented the required balls to pass the head string on a break that was certainly hit hard enough in the spirit of the rule. It seems the rule can result in a lot of luck being involved on whether the break is legal or not. For this reason I'm not convinced this is the answer to defending against the soft break.

Perhaps allow a ball the passes that head string and hit hard enough to come back out count as two balls towards the rule. Or maybe 4-5 balls past the side pockets would be a better solution.

Didn't the Mosconi Cup use the break box in the past (I don't know, I'm asking)? What about going to that?
 
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efirkey said:
I think they need to rethink the breaking rules for the mosconi cup when Johnny Archer hits about a 23mph break with 5 balls ending up on the other end of the table and it isn't considered a legal break.

Anybody notice that the blue 2 was ALWAYS racked at the back in every frame?

Never seen this before.
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mista335 said:
efirkey said:
I think they need to rethink the breaking rules for the mosconi cup when Johnny Archer hits about a 23mph break with 5 balls ending up on the other end of the table and it isn't considered a legal break.

Anybody notice that the blue 2 was ALWAYS racked at the back in every frame?

Never seen this before.
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I figured the 2 in the back was a "rule"? but that would be pattern racking.....which is against the 9ball rules.....? right?

I'm not talking sour apples, and the Euros won fair n square, they played better. I am saying the breaking rules are flat out dumb for EVERYONE involved.

To get rid of the soft break you only need to put a MPH guage on the table and pick a minimum speed. Then there is no penalty for a properly struck break shot in the spirit of the game.
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mista335 said:
efirkey said:
... Anybody notice that the blue 2 was ALWAYS racked at the back in every frame? ...
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Yes, it has been done before and as I vaguely recall, it may have been in a World Championship.

As for the three balls pocketed or above the headstring, in fact the Europeans have a small advantage from this because it is an anti-soft-break rule that is used on the Eurotour. Also, although a triangle was used, the table was tapped. (The 9 was on the foot spot which usually prevented the wing ball from going.)
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geocheren said:
I think they should change the whole format all together. Instead of it being just 9-ball, it should be a combination of all types of cuesports. I'm talking about 8-ball for one match, 9-ball for another match, a 10-ball match, one match for straight pool, and one pocket/banks/3 cushion/ and snooker (if necessary). Allow for the captain to choose who plays what type of game, but each player must play each day, and then a mixture of doubles, and a captains pick of player vs game. That'll show which team is more talented.
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Now you are talking. Include all the major games.
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