Mosconi Cup Playing Stats Through Day 3 for Team USA
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Now for some interpretation. By the way, I didn't get to watch the matches today, but .Hall delivering the lone point for the team was no surprise. Hall has been by far the best player on Team USA.
Shane
This Mosconi Cup has been a nightmare for America's best player, but Shane is still in there fighting and is still an inspiration.
Bergman
He's had flashes of brilliance and had a near miss against Feijen on Tuesday, but overall he has been a disappointment. Looks like a future star that will figure in future Mosconi Cup events.
Hall
The shining star of Team USA. To the coach of our 2015 Mosconi team, Hall MUST be on the team.
Schmidt
After a great first match, John hasn't produced and has lost the last three matches in which he has participated. Disappointing for sure.
Deuel
His record belies how poorly he has played. I'd say Corey has been the weakest link on this team.
Justin Hall has been great but his teammates have let him down.
I'm hoping for some kind of turnaround on Thursday but it sure feels like the Cup is already lost. I'd love to be in a position to eat those words. Good luck to Team USA on Thursday.
Shane
This Mosconi Cup has been a nightmare for America's best player, but Shane is still in there fighting and is still an inspiration.
Bergman
He's had flashes of brilliance and had a near miss against Feijen on Tuesday, but overall he has been a disappointment. Looks like a future star that will figure in future Mosconi Cup events.
Hall
The shining star of Team USA. To the coach of our 2015 Mosconi team, Hall MUST be on the team.
Schmidt
After a great first match, John hasn't produced and has lost the last three matches in which he has participated. Disappointing for sure.
Deuel
His record belies how poorly he has played. I'd say Corey has been the weakest link on this team.
Justin Hall has been great but his teammates have let him down.
I'm hoping for some kind of turnaround on Thursday but it sure feels like the Cup is already lost. I'd love to be in a position to eat those words. Good luck to Team USA on Thursday.
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Yes, this team is not the worst Team USA in Mosconi Cup history. If that's enough to make you happy, you can celebrate now. On the other hand, only three of the twenty teams sent by the USA to the Mosconi have failed to win at least eight matches, and only two have failed to win seven. Barring a rally on Day 4, we're watching one of the worst teams we've ever sent to the Mosconi.
SJM, I'm not trying to be argumentative. I see your point about the historical score. But this years team may not be one of the weakest, relative to other USA teams; it may just be that Europe has gotten so much stronger.
Watching a few of the MC matches from the 90's it seems team Europe back then was dominated by pure Snooker players. Now it's all players with significant pool experience.
Watching a few of the MC matches from the 90's it seems team Europe back then was dominated by pure Snooker players. Now it's all players with significant pool experience.
Yes anything less than 8 points is a poor performance
Last years team were a bunch of egos and bad losers but because the format is first to win 11, last years team did not play 8 matches. . If remaining 8 matches were played, they may have win few more points so result could have been likely better than 11-2 and maybe as good as 11-10
This years team will likely play out most of 21 matches compared to last year
It is first to reach 11 point so if the lineup draw lines up all the losing matches first then the team will lose badly with bad score line
Not defending last years team of egos and bad losers
Just saying
Last years team were a bunch of egos and bad losers but because the format is first to win 11, last years team did not play 8 matches. . If remaining 8 matches were played, they may have win few more points so result could have been likely better than 11-2 and maybe as good as 11-10
This years team will likely play out most of 21 matches compared to last year
It is first to reach 11 point so if the lineup draw lines up all the losing matches first then the team will lose badly with bad score line
Not defending last years team of egos and bad losers
Just saying
A fair point, Jeff, but players can only be judged relative to those against whom they competed and the same is true of teams. As we often note on the forum, there are some very tricky issues in play when we compare across generations.
Thanks for sharing your insights.
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That is fairly laughable. Are you actually watching the thing at all?
Mark Gray is weak as hell atm and is giving the USA heaps of chances.
Nikos has been shooting very poorly and looks fairly terrified out there.
Boyes looks less pumped up then in years past when he got to torture Earl, although he is still shooting fairly solid.
Appleton is shooting reasonably well atm.
Feijen? His normal beast mode. He is the only player on team Europe that looks in dead punch atm and who is playing with serious focus and intent.
This team Europe is clearly not into it quite as much as they were in the past. They are missing some players of recent years who brought huge intensity and focus to the team such as Ralf and the hugely underestimated Nick Van Den Berg. Team Europe this year is simply not putting out the pressure and offense of years past, but they are "still" putting out more then America can handle...
Definitely Euro pool has grown by leaps and bounds since 90s
But this years Euro team us not their best - it is their B or C team
Stu -- I just worked up similar information for both teams and posted it in a new thread -- http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=383696. Then I started reading tonight's new threads and posts and found this thread by you. Good work! See, when we get you off of the front row at the event(s), you actually do something useful!
I'll go ahead and update my thread tomorrow with the final results for both teams.
I'll go ahead and update my thread tomorrow with the final results for both teams.
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Stu -- I just worked up similar information for both teams and posted it in a new thread -- http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=383696. Then I started reading tonight's new threads and posts and found this thread by you. Good work! See, when we get you off of the front row at the event(s), you actually do something useful!
I'll go ahead and update my thread tomorrow with the final results for both teams.
Thanks, a rave review form you is a big deal indeed when it comes to statistics.
Good work! See, when we get you off of the front row at the event(s), you actually do something useful!
You'll have to carry the full stats load when the Derby City Classic begins next month, as I'll return to my front row seat and resume my pattern of uselessness, LOL.
He's comparing them to the early years when Europe didn't even field five actual pool players (instead opting for snooker pros), not more recent years when Europe have been able to field a team of world class pool players.
I agree that this team is weaker than those of recent years, but I'd still say it's stronger than some of the teams of the 90s.
I agree with most of this post, but I feel that Bergman has been the weakest link. I'm not crapping on Bergman by any means because even if he played flawlessly, we'd still be down.
With that said, Bergman's defensive shot in his doubles match with Hall was one of the best shots of this year's MC.
The stats say you are right, Solomon, but the eye test suggests that Deuel has been worse. Close call.
Allegedly Mark has said that Bergman is for sure the 2nd best player on the team. Not quite sure of that but he clearly leads in 'slumping in the chair'.
Mark declared the type of team he wanted and then im afraid he picked guys who didnt fit his own criteria somehow. We have no pizzazz at all imo.
