Mosconi Cup, Team USA, the real problem still exists.

[PINKLADY]

Us against them is the country affiliation ,not player affiliation ,, same as sport city affiliation ,, the names change but the game remains ,, go into any bar right now that's watching World Cup and there's plenty of people watching that don't have a clue what players are playing ..I have watched thousands of pool matches and never knew who was playing ,,

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maybe you're right about that -

cause i love the Mosconi atmosphere. and the Cowboys. and Duke. knowing the players just adds to my conviction?

but to watch 3 days of ____ v _____ , and the only sound i hear is the click of balls, puts me to sleep. at least i can tough it out for 2-3hrs, cause i know the players?

interesting concept -

 

[CJ Wiley]

.the good news is there's a lot of potential for the future of "Pool on TV".

That's correct, any sport that you just hear "the dribble of the ball" or the sound of the tennis ball being volleyed etc. would be boring indeed.

All these sports has a component that pool has neglected and for the life of me I can't understand why......the good news is there's a lot of potential for the future of "Pool on TV".

maybe you're right about that -

cause i love the Mosconi atmosphere. and the Cowboys. and Duke. knowing the players just adds to my conviction?

but to watch 3 days of ____ v _____ , and the only sound i hear is the click of balls, puts me to sleep. at least i can tough it out for 2-3hrs, cause i know the players?

interesting concept -

 

[CJ Wiley]

"if you had to only watch the ball and not the players"

People watch these sports, although they don't become "true fans" until they know the participants......this is the "difference that makes the difference".

The games themselves are more boring than pool.....that is "if you had to only watch the ball and not the players" .....and the game is the teacher.

These are all past time sports all of them were big even before TV ,, NASCAR became popular because of its home roots and product affiliation ,, that's how they edged out Indy and cart racing,, people watch the sport first and in time pic there drivers not the other way around
Same in every other sport ,,
I type this as I'm watching World Cup and like millions of others I can't name 2 players
The Sport is the teacher
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[BeiberLvr]

People watch these sports, although they don't become "true fans" until they know the participants......this is the "difference that makes the difference".

The games themselves are more boring than pool.....that is "if you had to only watch the ball and not the players" .....and the game is the teacher.

I can watch pool, snooker, NFL, and NBA all day without giving two shits about the players.

I bet I'm not the only either.

 

[(((Satori)))]

And school shootings are at an all time high. Video games with violence probably sell the most. Bullying is such an issue that there are actually marketing campaigns to stop it. Gang life is as strong as it ever was, and McDonalds target market is children eating more crap. Can you say " mommy I wanna be a hustler? "

Maybe it's time to set a better example and a higher standard, rather than exemplify bar-room gambling and misbehaving adults.

Listen to me sounding like captain prude over here. I have to laugh at myself sometimes lol.

Don't misunderstand what I'm getting at, a good production needs characters etc etc. Pool is overflowing with characters. But in all actuality, the elements of pool that may sell the most are not the same as the elements that will build a stronger industry overall.

Getting some kids into the halls to act like Tom Cruise will not bring about a professional tour, or heighten the level at which our pros compete on the world stage. ( And technically it doesnt have to, and it could still be somewhat successful) But you are talking about appealing to a specific demographic rather than appealing to all demographics, which is akin to selling popcorn but no drinks.

Do we want viewers to think...

gee wiz, that looks fun, I think I wanna go shoot a few games and get in on some action?

Or,

gee wiz, my son and I are going to start training for the collegiate championship, he could win a scholarship and have opportunities to travel the world and compete. It will teach him about discipline and skill. Some day he might even be able to represent his country in an international event, and we'd be very proud if he did.


But hey, it's a free country and a free enterprise system.
Good luck with your tv show.

When you talk about changing the industry you are talking about a very huge task. Especially if you want the industry to be similar to a sport like golf. Golf is a sport with a different environment to take kids to play. Where are these father's going to take junior to practice pool? Don't you think they will be able to see the activities that take place in a pool hall once they get there wether you fool them or not with your marketing? How are you going to stop the action that takes place in pool halls across the country... across the world? McDonalds can pretend to sell good food and you can pretend to sell an upscale, clean, wholsome sport but reality has to set in somewhere. Things are what they are imo and pool will never be without the gambling and other activities that you need to be aware of if you are going to frequent the pool halls across the world, or nation, or even just your community.

The movies didn't form an image of pool in people's minds. The actions that took place in the movies were occurring in pool halls everywhere before the movies came out. Gambling and hustling has been around since the dawn of pool. It is pool and that is one of the reasons why the class of individuals you would like to frequent pool halls don't usually go unless they really love the game. And if you are observant you can see what it is about the game that some of these rich high class people really love. And even the really good guys like Dr. Dave are aware of what pool can be even though they themselves love the game for all of the right reasons. This awareness is why they have a little shame in their voice when they claim to be a pool player to their peers, such as in that video, because they are aware of the dark side there is in pool. The dark side is not just a false image, it is a reality, am I wrong?

 

[CJ Wiley]

you should be very proud

and you should be very proud of that.......

I can watch pool, snooker, NFL, and NBA all day without giving two shits about the players.

I bet I'm not the only either.

 

[CJ Wiley]

It's not prudent to waste money marketing hamburger as steak.

You are exactly right!!

It's not prudent {as an analogy} to waste money marketing hamburger as steak, or shrimp, or pork chops, or sushi, or anything else other than hamburger.

Hamburger has a market.....a very lucrative market.

Pool has many of the same potential fans as NASCAR, wrestling, MMA, Hockey, Golf, and Poker. However, it's different than these other games, and it has assets that they don't have.....however, if you just film the players without adding the entertainment aspects of the show it's not going to be popular.

There is a common denominator that the rest capitalize on that pool has ignored.....and it's a mystery why, when it's so obviously missing from pool's TV presentations.

I guess there's so many vocal people that want pool to continue to "die" that they've effectively convinced others that "it's no use"..."it'll never work" ...."give up".....it reminds me of what a little kid told me one time when my chain fell off my bike. :shrug: 'The Game is the Teacher'

When you talk about changing the industry you are talking about a very huge task. Especially if you want the industry to be similar to a sport like golf. Golf is a sport with a different environment to take kids to play. Where are these father's going to take junior to practice pool? Don't you think they will be able to see the activities that take place in a pool hall once they get there wether you fool them or not with your marketing? How are you going to stop the action that takes place in pool halls across the country... across the world? McDonalds can pretend to sell good food and you can pretend to sell an upscale, clean, wholsome sport but reality has to set in somewhere. Things are what they are imo and pool will never be without the gambling and other activities that you need to be aware of if you are going to frequent the pool halls across the world, or nation, or even just your community.

The movies didn't form an image of pool in people's minds. The actions that took place in the movies were occurring in pool halls everywhere before the movies came out. Gambling and hustling has been around since the dawn of pool. It is pool and that is one of the reasons why the class of individuals you would like to frequent pool halls don't usually go unless they really love the game. And if you are observant you can see what it is about the game that some of these rich high class people really love. And even the really good guys like Dr. Dave are aware of what pool can be even though they themselves love the game for all of the right reasons. This awareness is why they have a little shame in their voice when they claim to be a pool player to their peers, such as in that video, because they are aware of the dark side there is in pool. The dark side is not just a false image, it is a reality, am I wrong?

 

[(((Satori)))]

You are exactly right!!

It's not prudent {as an analogy} to waste money marketing hamburger as steak, or shrimp, or pork chops, or sushi, or anything else other than hamburger.

Hamburger has a market.....a very lucrative market.

Pool has many of the same potential fans as NASCAR, wrestling, MMA, Hockey, Golf, and Poker. However, it's different than these other games, and it has assets that they don't have.....however, if you just film the players without adding the entertainment aspects of the show it's not going to be popular.

There is a common denominator that the rest capitalize on that pool has ignored.....and it's a mystery why, when it's so obviously missing from pool's TV presentations.

I guess there's so many vocal people that want pool to continue to "die" that they've effectively convinced others that "it's no use"..."it'll never work" ...."give up".....it reminds me of what a little kid told me one time when my chain fell off my bike. :shrug: 'The Game is the Teacher'

That is why I tend to agree with you that it should be marketed more like a sport like boxing rather than a clean wholesome sport. It can still get plenty of fans and plenty of sponsors if marketed correctly.

 

[one stroke]

I can watch pool, snooker, NFL, and NBA all day without giving two shits about the players.

I bet I'm not the only either.

Not even close to the only one ,, collage teams are talking about taking names off their jerseys ,, do you think for one second people will stop watching , of course not
Having a star always adds a few fair weatherd fans ,, Tiger woods has added many fans to golf , but by no stretch of the imagination would golf crumble with out him or any defined star ,,
It's the same for demagrafic team sports the affiliation is the home town then it's
Like I said millions like me will be watching World Cup soccer and can't name 2 players

The sport is the teacher

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[Blue Hog ridr]

I can watch fishing shows all day long and I have never met a Wall Eye, Pike, Perch, Trout or Carp, that I didn't like. To eat.

With the exception of a few names, I have no idea who is doing the fishing. I'm watching for the action and the tips on fishing.

Canadian Angler, Evo Coia is the only one that I know of and a few local anglers that do the Wall Eye Trail.

I do use some Shaw Grigsby hooks but he is a USA Bass Man. Nice guy tho as all the Anglers are.

Funny thing, all these Anglers, whether from the USA or Canada are all well spoken all round good guys. Whether they have a Southern drawl and are Cat Fish Hunters or what not, they all exude a nice Aura that will be quite possibly hard to beat when compared to pool players. People want to be just like them.

Give me the choice to spend a couple of days with Swamp Man, Troy Landry or any of his Buds on Swamp People or Rodney Morris et al, and I know which one I'll pick.

Hope these CJ Pool Shows aren't on in the Summer cause I'm usually in the boat or on the Harley.

Winter, I'm hard Water fishing and playing league.

Too much actual living to do to be bothered sitting in front of a Boob Tube.

How many other members here that have other outside interests, hobbies etc that they feel strongly enuff about that they won't plop themselves in front of the Tube just to wait for the next episode of Reality Pool TV?

I for one won't be getting Big Wood over it. Now, the Mosconi Cup. I will always make time for that.

 

[PINKLADY]

That's correct, any sport that you just hear "the dribble of the ball" or the sound of the tennis ball being volleyed etc. would be boring indeed....

and i've played all of these sports - yet i choose to pass & check scores later. unless it's Tiger Woods (or Seve Ballasteros). and Neon Deion - what an ass - and yet, i never missed one of his touchdown dances! they are/were just that good. and so was their marketing....

i lived 20yrs watching rugby. i knew my UNCG team. but i went, to see the fights. to see if my atty continued his record of cracking a rib each game. to see if the DA got his ear ripped off. to watch my bodyguard's suckerpunches in a scrum (for breaking Joel's ribs). till the finessed win. and then - to watch both teams CELEBRATE TOGETHER - drinking beer, buying shots, and singing those God-awful chants from England.

so what's the history on Team USA 2014? did they not go to China cause they had to drop & give 20? are they holding conference calls nightly while doing chinups? are they writing limericks...?

 

[Blue Hog ridr]

Limericks, we can do that.

There once was a Pool Player from Nantucket
Whose-----

Nope, can't do that one, get banned, not good.

 

[BeiberLvr]

When you talk about changing the industry you are talking about a very huge task. Especially if you want the industry to be similar to a sport like golf. Golf is a sport with a different environment to take kids to play. Where are these father's going to take junior to practice pool? Don't you think they will be able to see the activities that take place in a pool hall once they get there wether you fool them or not with your marketing? How are you going to stop the action that takes place in pool halls across the country... across the world? McDonalds can pretend to sell good food and you can pretend to sell an upscale, clean, wholsome sport but reality has to set in somewhere. Things are what they are imo and pool will never be without the gambling and other activities that you need to be aware of if you are going to frequent the pool halls across the world, or nation, or even just your community.

The movies didn't form an image of pool in people's minds. The actions that took place in the movies were occurring in pool halls everywhere before the movies came out. Gambling and hustling has been around since the dawn of pool. It is pool and that is one of the reasons why the class of individuals you would like to frequent pool halls don't usually go unless they really love the game. And if you are observant you can see what it is about the game that some of these rich high class people really love. And even the really good guys like Dr. Dave are aware of what pool can be even though they themselves love the game for all of the right reasons. This awareness is why they have a little shame in their voice when they claim to be a pool player to their peers, such as in that video, because they are aware of the dark side there is in pool. The dark side is not just a false image, it is a reality, am I wrong?

I agree with you. Personally, I enjoy the action side of pool, and I know plenty of others do as well.

I don't think it would be smart or even possible to attempt any eradication of that side of pool. It's just that some of us (myself included) don't think it's the best way to grow the sport in America.

 

[PINKLADY]

I can watch fishing shows all day long and I have never met a Wall Eye, Pike, Perch, Trout or Carp, that I didn't like. To eat.

With the exception of a few names, I have no idea who is doing the fishing. I'm watching for the action and the tips on fishing.

Canadian Angler, Evo Coia is the only one that I know of and a few local anglers that do the Wall Eye Trail.

I do use some Shaw Grigsby hooks but he is a USA Bass Man. Nice guy tho as all the Anglers are.

Funny thing, all these Anglers, whether from the USA or Canada are all well spoken all round good guys. Whether they have a Southern drawl and are Cat Fish Hunters or what not, they all exude a nice Aura that will be quite possibly hard to beat when compared to pool players. People want to be just like them.

Give me the choice to spend a couple of days with Swamp Man, Troy Landry or any of his Buds on Swamp People or Rodney Morris et al, and I know which one I'll pick.

Hope these CJ Pool Shows aren't on in the Summer cause I'm usually in the boat or on the Harley.

Winter, I'm hard Water fishing and playing league.

Too much actual living to do to be bothered sitting in front of a Boob Tube.

How many other members here that have other outside interests, hobbies etc that they feel strongly enuff about that they won't plop themselves in front of the Tube just to wait for the next episode of Reality Pool TV?

I for one won't be getting Big Wood over it. Now, the Mosconi Cup. I will always make time for that.

you smart-ass!
it's called noodling, learn it. know it. keep up.
which, in fact, i am aware of - not because i know how to fish, which i do - but because i've seen it on TV at 3am. (in between 10hrs of infomercials)

and again, hopefully proves the point of Marketing 101.

 

[one stroke]

Everybody who drinks is not a wineo sleeping in the gutter ,, I think so many people use the shady side of pool as a excuse why the games not as popular as they think it could be
I disagree I think it has very little to do with it ,, there are just so many other interesting things that capture ones attention especially this generation of kids and young adults

There's video games , texting , Facebook now I learn from my daughter Instagram
Then you have the x games sports ,MMA American idol dancing with the stars , reality tv on top of all the popular team sports
Just where can pool fit in and compete ,, it can't , it's booooring it inheritly flawed

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[CJ Wiley]

pool....great game, or the greatest game?

Yes, marketing pool as a "clean, wholesome sport" would be disingenuous and basically what's been tried the last 15 years...it's ironic that so few even "real eyes" what pool's truest assets really are....we don't have to misrepresent the game for it to reach it's full potential, it has all the components "always has and always will".
'The Game is the Teacher'

That is why I tend to agree with you that it should be marketed more like a sport like boxing rather than a clean wholesome sport. It can still get plenty of fans and plenty of sponsors if marketed correctly.

 

[SJDinPHX]

Pool has many of the same potential fans as NASCAR, wrestling, MMA, Hockey, Golf, and Poker. However, it's different than these other games, and it has assets that they don't have.<--This could possibly be the most non-sensicle (don't make me say 'idiotic') statement I have ever read, in all my years on this forum..even for YOU !

I guess there's so many vocal people that want pool to continue to "die" that they've effectively convinced others that "it's no use"..."it'll never work".."give up" :shrug: 'The Game is the Teacher' <--This could be the 2nd dumbest !, and if you say 'The Game is the Teacher', one more time, I am going to shoot Wilson in the head, for allowing it ! :embarrassed2: (note smilie face Dave)

Give me the choice to spend a couple of days with Swamp Man, Troy Landry or any of his Buds on Swamp People or Rodney Morris et al, and I know which one I'll pick.....Hope these CJ Pool Shows aren't on in the Summer cause I'm usually in the boat or on the Harley...Winter, I'm hard Water fishing and playing league....Too much actual living to do to be bothered sitting in front of a Boob Tube.

How many other members here that have other outside interests, hobbies etc that they feel strongly enuff about that they won't plop themselves in front of the Tube just to wait for the next episode of CJ Reality Pool TV?

We have two extremes here, but I tend to side with Blue Hog, because he makes a LOT more sense than CJ !..But then, I am old and retired, and except for drinking and smoking, I don't have a whole lot else going for me.. I enjoy sweating pool matches on the tube, but I am sure if I were younger, (like Blue Hog)..you would have to tie me to my chair, and put toothpicks in my eyes, to get me to watch 5 minutes of "CJ type Reality Pool TV"...I already know, how EXCITING the life of a pool hustler is !..

CJ, you need to work on something, that has a prayer of success !..Based on your efforts so far, I don't see that happening..EVER ! :sorry:

SJD

 

[punter]

We have two extremes here, but I tend to side with Blue Hog, because he makes a LOT more sense than CJ !..But then, I am old and retired, and except for drinking and smoking, I don't have a whole lot else going for me.. I enjoy sweating pool matches on the tube, but I am sure if I were younger, (like Blue Hog)..you would have to tie me to my chair, and put toothpicks in my eyes, to get me to watch 5 minutes of "CJ type Reality Pool TV"...I already know, how EXCITING the life of a pool hustler is !..

CJ, you need to work on something, that has a prayer of success !..Based on your efforts so far, I don't see that happening ! :sorry:

SJD

So what's your best suggestion Dick?

 

[(((Satori)))]

I agree with you. Personally, I enjoy the action side of pool, and I know plenty of others do as well.

I don't think it would be smart or even possible to attempt any eradication of that side of pool. It's just that some of us (myself included) don't think it's the best way to grow the sport in America.

I don't think you grow the sport by trying to present every player as Ralf Souquet either. Promoters have got on this kick about how a "professional" acts and every player who doesn't act like that is not deserving to play professional pool. These promoters are turning some fans against the players. Get real. All of the players can be presented in an exciting, publicly acceptable manner. Even the most hard core hustler could be presented in an acceptable manner by a good promoter.

The UFC was once viewed as a blood sport that no one but the most hard core fans would accept. But with good promotion Zuffa has turned the perception from blood sport to an acceptable fighting sport that has grown into mainstream. They don't try to present every fighter as a goody two-shoes either. They somewhat keep it real.

 

[PINKLADY]

i got it!
it's the INTERACTION -
whether you are ringside
or in a pool hall/bar with your boys
or on separate sofas with your sig other,
rooting....

fan interaction - that's what makes Mosconi.

(and it's the SAME thing that drives AZ)