Mosconi Cup USA Team
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I'm not necessarily saying Hatch is the wrong choice - I think it's a tough team to pick. Just that judging cailbre based on "a player winning tin cups in a short-race format" is the right way to go with the Mosconi cup, seeing as it's a short race, high pressure format where small mistakes are costly.
Rodney's win in the US Open 10-ball at the Rio in July showed he's at the top of his game. The field was super-tough and Rodney won it undefeated. His comeback from 9-2 down in the final against Dennis Orcullo was truly a brilliant display of pool at its highest level.
It has to be the Pearl. He is shooting lights out right now and he will light a fire in this already stacked team..
I'm sorry, but could you please detail Dennis accomplishments in his lifetime, and post them directly next to Corey's PLEASE. It won't match up to well. Has he EVER won any kind of major event? Just name ONE.
And every player has relationships, that's no excuse. He's a raw raw guy which goes well with a team, but it can also hurt and get in his own way. Hes just not the best choice as far as best player,its laughable that anyone even wants to compare Hatch to Deuel, or ANY other player on the team, PERIOD.
You don't see the Miami heat in the NBA FINALS saying well LEBRON is not going to play tonight because we want the raw raw Rees of BIRDMAN do you? No, they field the best team possible and say beat us if you can.
Hatch was chose for one reason only, and its the guy from the ABP, Marietta,GA.
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I know Charlie is a good player. And I have no doubt he would show up. However I don't think he has done much of late if so please remind me.
With all due respect, may I please ask you how old you are? The reason I ask is I wonder how well you know some of the American players' accomplishments from times gone by to today. Nobody, at least not me, is taking anything away from Corey Deuel. He has some shooting traits that outshine others, but the same holds true with the other players.
For sure, you can root for whoever you want, but at this juncture, wouldn't it be more prudent to root for Team USA to win? What good does it do to rip apart the members of the 2013 Team USA for Mosconi Cup? I guess I just do not understand how anyone can continue to demean Dennis Hatch *AFTER* he has been chosen. What is the point? Do you believe Barry Hearn will change his mind after reading AzBilliards Discussion Forum? Come on.
I would like to think that it's now time to band together as Ameicans and root for Team USA, but not in this country.
With all due respect, may I please ask you how old you are? The reason I ask is I wonder how well you know some of the American players' accomplishments from times gone by to today. Nobody, at least not me, is taking anything away from Corey Deuel. He has some shooting traits that outshine others, but the same holds true with the other players.
For sure, you can root for whoever you want, but at this juncture, wouldn't it be more prudent to root for Team USA to win? What good does it do to rip apart the members of the 2013 Team USA for Mosconi Cup? I guess I just do not understand how anyone can continue to demean Dennis Hatch *AFTER* he has been chosen. What is the point? Do you believe Barry Hearn will change his mind after reading AzBilliards Discussion Forum? Come on.
I would like to think that it's now time to band together as Ameicans and root for Team USA, but not in this country.
I've seen almost as much pool action as you and been in the trenches plenty myself. Betting as much from time to time as most, ive played my share of 5-15k matches, AND my own cash. So don't come at me with that line, its not working.
The whole point is we are not fielding the best team. Of course he's not going to change it, but we can debate it all we want. And that's what I was pointing out, how can this guy be picked with his "accomplishments" over another. Now if he was actually playing better then Corey in the past 2 years, maybe he would have a case, but he's not, not even remotely close.
I am not coming at you with any line. For sure, I'm not comparing myself against you in the pool world. Nobody knows the troubles I've seen. :embarrassed2:
I guess I just don't understand how, and why, one puts a player above another after the selections have been made.
To say it's not the *best team" is debatable, depending on many factors. I understand these are *your* thoughts, which, of course, you are entitled to.
Again, I'm not going to pick Corey apart in this thread, but he, like all human beings, is not without warts in the pool world.
There are only five slots available. Obviously, the choices made will not please everybody. :smile:
I like Corey for the last spot also.......great solid player and if memory serves me well he has a winning record against Earl!
James
Last year's ratings have been excellent during the week for Sky, as it is a time when the MC isn't in conflict with either Snooker, Darts, or much bigger sports such as soccer on the week-end.
The MC played in the week is better for the value of the program, but it makes it harder for spectators to attend for sure. But since it is played in the morning/afternoon to be live in the UK at night, you could fly in a couple of days with just one hotel night and leave late on the second day...
I hope to see you there
For a number of reasons a trip to Vegas only works for us if it's Friday-Sunday. We've been to a couple of them so we know how it works, being played in the morning for the broadcast. Always funny to see the Euro fans who have been up all night and are still partying in the stands at 10am.
Lou Figueroa
AMEN, couldn't agree more. To me Earl is an embarrassment. Hell of a pool player, but too far gone. Everyone hoping Earl would "behave himself" all know deep down he won't. He can't.
Corey Deuel. Great player with class.
Is there a reason the Mosconi Cup rosters are so small? Only 5 players doesn't seem like very many when you have a lot of matches to play. I think if you expanded it to 8 or 10 you would give the captains a little more leeway in making teams and matchups like you see in the Ryder Cup. Maybe logistically this is not possible.
I would've liked to have Jesse Engel in for Hatch. Whenever I've seen him he looks like he could handle the pressure.
Greatest thing about this thread is there is No Mention of MD. The US is certainly underdogs. But can win here at home. Earl has and continues to beat the best. I would hate to shoot against him because of his tactics but I would love to have him on my team for the same reason. He can take the pressure and he can sure intimidate.
The European crowd won several games with their sharking tactics last year. IMHO They were quiet during the shots but would cheer even if the Cue Ball was a foot from scratching. No doubt it put pressure on the younger players which then puts pressure on the entire team. Does the US crowd need to give them some of their own medicine?
Go Earl!!!!
The European crowd won several games with their sharking tactics last year. IMHO They were quiet during the shots but would cheer even if the Cue Ball was a foot from scratching. No doubt it put pressure on the younger players which then puts pressure on the entire team. Does the US crowd need to give them some of their own medicine?
Go Earl!!!!
Keith McCready
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I'm glad to hear my man Dennis Hatch got the invite instead of Corey Deuel. Dennis is well-deserving. He's put in his time, put in his hours. He's been there in tournaments quite recently, where I believe Corey has been very selective or maybe out of money and can't get to them all. I don't know why Corey can't get staked if that's the case. Maybe he's been playing too much golf, but I don't blame him if he did. He's an ace golfer.
Like him or hate him, Dennis does give the team a shot in the arm, and I wish the team well.
As for Corey, not to say anything bad about him, but it could have been a personality check why he didn't get in. Just my opinion.
Good luck, USA. One of these days, maybe they'll use me for a shot in the arm. Ha-ha-ha. Hopefully, I won't be 75 or 80 when it happens.
Go team. About time we get a winner. I know we've been on the back side of this for a whle. Seems like those Europeans, when it comes to these Cups, Europe is real tough to beat, especially if you're playing there.
I love the enthusiasm of the Mosconi Cup. That's the only thing I usually ever watch on the Internet, is the Cup. Good luck to all.
Like him or hate him, Dennis does give the team a shot in the arm, and I wish the team well.
As for Corey, not to say anything bad about him, but it could have been a personality check why he didn't get in. Just my opinion.
Good luck, USA. One of these days, maybe they'll use me for a shot in the arm. Ha-ha-ha. Hopefully, I won't be 75 or 80 when it happens.
Go team. About time we get a winner. I know we've been on the back side of this for a whle. Seems like those Europeans, when it comes to these Cups, Europe is real tough to beat, especially if you're playing there.
I love the enthusiasm of the Mosconi Cup. That's the only thing I usually ever watch on the Internet, is the Cup. Good luck to all.
We tend to group players into "tiers", like the top pros, then the upper-level pros, then the midlevels, and so on. I think 5 is large enough for the entire top tier, + a few who are close or getting there.
If the field went as deep as 8 players, there might be too much gap in skill level between the best + worst
players on the team. Like the top player on the team might play 2 or 3 balls above the weakest one.
I think they want the teams to be perceived as the cream of the crop, where every single player is a world
champion who has won majors... not as a mix of strong and weak links, some of whom
are gonna in be over their head.