Mosconi Cup
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Good point. :smile:
Just not worth it for some, I think. On Facebook, people usually choose their words more carefully. There's no anonymity. The pro players are treated with a modicum of respect on Facebook. Here, sometimes, but not so much.
I admire Darren Appleton's contributions here and on Facebook. In fact, on Facebook, he's done some live videos sharing his thoughts and taking questions. He also shows us his trophy room. Really cool stuff!
JB you played great and made St. Louis proud! Arizona J
JC
Coos Cues
With all due respect Justin. He missed a moderately easy 9 ball combo and missed another not overly difficult 4 ball and scratched in your doubles match. It's a race to five. If you make two errors like that in a mini race at your level, well that's a bad set.
And yes he is a top 5 American player, which is exactly why we will be dominated at this event for the foreseeable future.
JC
Thanks for posting Justin. I watch almost all of the MC and I hate to tell you but Europe is just flat out better and worse yet, I believe they could put out a B & C team and still easily beat the US.I'm going to say one more thing hopefully make some people open their eyes. I played 3 matches. One singles where Mark Grey basically played a perfect set so he deserved to win. 5-1 I lose. Skyler and me win and Rodney and I won. So me personally, I won 2/3 matches. If anyone thinks someone is so far inferior be use you lost a race to 5 and basically didn't have a chance then I'm not sure what to say. Not bashing Europe either, they definitely played better and deserved the win. So most guys played two singles, and 1 double or 2 of each. I've lost and beaten Orcollo, SVB, etc 11-0 actually many times.
Crazy to read some of the things I've read on here I don't think is fair. Obviously Europe last 7 years have dominated. But don't think Dechaine, Skyker, and I can't go win a World title. I'm not saying this to be cocky or prove anything but I would play Albin, or Mark Gray, even 10 ball they outbreak me 9 on spot but 10 ball I've played more and still probably don't break as well. I think Darren is their best player, him and Neils. I've already played Jayson but I think he's a little better player now he's won everything. But also Skylers been to Qatar once, I've never been. We don't play those tournaments, so obsiouvly when you play 25 big events a year I hope you have some titles.
One thing I do agree with though is bar table kills us not just the points but everywhere in US most events are 7ft. Just take this year or next... I go back home, play Chohans tournament, Music City, then Derby(race to 3 banks and 1pocket), then there will be 6-7 more 7ft tournaments, then Turningstone LOL.. And they have tough fields... I could win 5 in a row and it wouldn't be as good as someone getting 5-6th in the China Open in most people's eyes
I'm also looking to start traveling and playing the bigger events. I'm going to go to Philippines for a month and after that plan on playing a lot international big tournaments.
It's gonna take years, if ever, for the US to be competitive again.
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Pathetic Shark
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Eh? This place is the mildest and well mannered place i know.
Just because certain people enjoy repeating things does not make them true.
Azb tough? Where the hell do you people drink!?
Pathetic Shark
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Steve Davis' dad used to hold a cue above his young son's head as a way of encouraging him to keep his head still. Legend has it his dad put a pint of milk on his bridge hand, to encourage him to help his bridge still.
No pro player will ever stay solid under pressure with a bridge hand like mike's. I like the lad, unlike many around here, but he urgently needs to work on his head and hand, and keep both absolutely still during delivery.
alternate break format AO is pick-em or fav vs ANY USA player, SVB beats him in winner break format
I'm going to say one more thing hopefully make some people open their eyes. I played 3 matches. One singles where Mark Grey basically played a perfect set so he deserved to win. 5-1 I lose. Skyler and me win and Rodney and I won. So me personally, I won 2/3 matches. If anyone thinks someone is so far inferior be use you lost a race to 5 and basically didn't have a chance then I'm not sure what to say. Not bashing Europe either, they definitely played better and deserved the win. So most guys played two singles, and 1 double or 2 of each. I've lost and beaten Orcollo, SVB, etc 11-0 actually many times.
Crazy to read some of the things I've read on here I don't think is fair. Obviously Europe last 7 years have dominated. But don't think Dechaine, Skyker, and I can't go win a World title. I'm not saying this to be cocky or prove anything but I would play Albin, or Mark Gray, even 10 ball they outbreak me 9 on spot but 10 ball I've played more and still probably don't break as well. I think Darren is their best player, him and Neils. I've already played Jayson but I think he's a little better player now he's won everything. But also Skylers been to Qatar once, I've never been. We don't play those tournaments, so obsiouvly when you play 25 big events a year I hope you have some titles.
One thing I do agree with though is bar table kills us not just the points but everywhere in US most events are 7ft. Just take this year or next... I go back home, play Chohans tournament, Music City, then Derby(race to 3 banks and 1pocket), then there will be 6-7 more 7ft tournaments, then Turningstone LOL.. And they have tough fields... I could win 5 in a row and it wouldn't be as good as someone getting 5-6th in the China Open in most people's eyes
I'm also looking to start traveling and playing the bigger events. I'm going to go to Philippines for a month and after that plan on playing a lot international big tournaments.
You and Skyler played well, only thing that killed you were the scratches, I think that was the big thing this year, the US cueball found it's way in the pocket a lot more, that costs one game and two at times if you lost on your break.
Off the Road
Merry Xmas U2
. I look at the choice you made in life, and your rewards are quite remarkable. You took the Ether out of Kiether....who would of ever Thunk . Your risk was much greater that what's before JB and you did great!! That's even more amazing....in a good way. Ya can't take the Hall outta Buddy....that's for sure :thumbup:. And who'd want too.
Good point. :smile:
Just not worth it for some, I think. On Facebook, people usually choose their words more carefully. There's no anonymity. The pro players are treated with a modicum of respect on Facebook. Here, sometimes, but not so much.
I admire Darren Appleton's contributions here and on Facebook. In fact, on Facebook, he's done some live videos sharing his thoughts and taking questions. He also shows us his trophy room. Really cool stuff!
Merry Xmas U2
. I look at the choice you made in life, and your rewards are quite remarkable. You took the Ether out of Kiether....who would of ever Thunk . Your risk was much greater that what's before JB and you did great!! That's even more amazing....in a good way. Ya can't take the Hall outta Buddy....that's for sure :thumbup:. And who'd want too.Hey Berg!
Justin do your self a big favor, don't concern your self with what is said on here.
Worry about it about as much as Shane does.
Stay focused on your already great game.
Do all you can to promote the use of 9' tables for professional tournaments please.
Give lots of thought to your health insurance and retirement plan, when you are older you will be glad you did.
Thanks a bunch for being a good representative for pool!
Justin do your self a big favor, don't concern your self with what is said on here.
Worry about it about as much as Shane does.
Stay focused on your already great game.
Do all you can to promote the use of 9' tables for professional tournaments please.
Give lots of thought to your health insurance and retirement plan, when you are older you will be glad you did.
Thanks a bunch for being a good representative for pool!
His coming out is ''unique''. Don't ever recollect of any pro being this organized, this mature at this age before ''giving it a go''. They all took the earlier course in life. In the past that did work, but nowadays the Road is most often the winner.
I think this is good advice...the howling, craziness is actually by design; Matchroom wants the same kind of atmosphere that they have with darts. It sells TV advertisements. The challenge is the team isn't really picked/finalized until shortly before they get on a plane. I'm really curious what our team does/has done to prep for this event? I don't think they have much time, but it would be nice if they could finalize at least ten finalists early on and work with them, keeping the others available as alternates. Maybe even pay them out of a portion of the appearance fees? BTW, Justin and Skylar are proven to be the future of American pool. I swear they haven't got one nerve between them!
I know some of the Mosconi Cup players have worked out against Mark Wilson's pool school, which includes Landon Shuffett and some other very good players.
The young have better nerves imo too.
Buddy Hall once remarked to me about another much younger player upon the guy making a very bold shot and said, "Yeah, well just wait until he loses his nerve as he gets older."
Ideally, I envision one way for improvement with the distractions is that the players who want to be on the Mosconi Cup and that is, going into various towns throughout the U.S., playing the same format against the local area's best players, with the pool rooms and bar rooms obtaining the most brazen, obnoxious, insulting buffoons in their locale, hooting and hollering to throw the Mosconi Cup wannabee players off of their game. Same discipline, same format etc. I bet it won't be easy for the elite USA players to beat regional top players with a gang of hooligans wailing at them non-stop........BUT you see, this takes commitment on the elite players' part and I'm not sure if they are up to the work.
Each locale might have trouble rounding up 20-50 rowdy guys but I'm sure a half-dozen could be convinced to play the part needed.
JoeyA
The young have better nerves imo too.
Buddy Hall once remarked to me about another much younger player upon the guy making a very bold shot and said, "Yeah, well just wait until he loses his nerve as he gets older."
Ideally, I envision one way for improvement with the distractions is that the players who want to be on the Mosconi Cup and that is, going into various towns throughout the U.S., playing the same format against the local area's best players, with the pool rooms and bar rooms obtaining the most brazen, obnoxious, insulting buffoons in their locale, hooting and hollering to throw the Mosconi Cup wannabee players off of their game. Same discipline, same format etc. I bet it won't be easy for the elite USA players to beat regional top players with a gang of hooligans wailing at them non-stop........BUT you see, this takes commitment on the elite players' part and I'm not sure if they are up to the work.
Each locale might have trouble rounding up 20-50 rowdy guys but I'm sure a half-dozen could be convinced to play the part needed.
JoeyA
I think this is good advice...the howling, craziness is actually by design; Matchroom wants the same kind of atmosphere that they have with darts. It sells TV advertisements. The challenge is the team isn't really picked/finalized until shortly before they get on a plane. I'm really curious what our team does/has done to prep for this event? I don't think they have much time, but it would be nice if they could finalize at least ten finalists early on and work with them, keeping the others available as alternates. Maybe even pay them out of a portion of the appearance fees? BTW, Justin and Skylar are proven to be the future of American pool. I swear they haven't got one nerve between them!
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justinb386
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I wonder if Skyler went over there by himself, or if he traveled with an entourage (of maybe backers, and maybe other players), and how long he stayed over there. I imagine it would be scary going over to the Philippines by yourself, if you have never traveled there before. I hope that Bergman does well over there, and it would be really cool if some video gets posted (uploaded to youtube) with some of his match ups. Love Bergmans game.
Looking forward to seeing you in more international events Justin, I think once you get some experience against those fields you could become a threat to knock one of them off. Shaw might be better today than he was when you played him but you shot great in that match and even the Shaw of today would not have to win.
Nice seeing you back in your old form. Seriously. Things are more lively with you around
Nice seeing you back in your old form. Seriously. Things are more lively with you around
You enjoy reading this type of colloquy?
See you on the other side. :smile:
Pathetic Shark
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Merry Xmas U2
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