What are you betting on buddy....exactly!
Mosconi's 526 run POOL TABLE questions
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What are you betting on buddy....exactly!
Can you find somewhere that Brunswick said they did?
It is one of the major things that almost every sport has but ours , at least semi legitimate records and not only do we tear down our legends , "pool is the only sport that eats it's young", is a phrase I first heard from an old hustler..
The first things people learn at the pool room is not how to pocket balls , it's how to talk slick and seem in the know , by knocking everything.
It is not really even pool lingo , it's the language of the thiefs who used to use the pool halls for an office.
Now it's the dealers, and they have their own lingo.
Mr Bond has a license to kill....
When RKC puts up his dukes, he doesn't put them down...
Hard bet to resolve on hearsay...
The post count in this thread might surpass 526.
pt....likes Mr Bond's position...has played on lots of tight Brunswicks...
....wouldn't know a factory shim from a Ford axle
When RKC puts up his dukes, he doesn't put them down...
Hard bet to resolve on hearsay...
The post count in this thread might surpass 526.
pt....likes Mr Bond's position...has played on lots of tight Brunswicks...
....wouldn't know a factory shim from a Ford axle
Records: example Maris did not break Ruth's record, it took him more games. Who is responsible for the record deserves the right to have certain criteria to be checked before his/her record is broken. Modern day baseball compared to Ruth's day is an absolute joke. Don't kid one's self.
I think everyone is kind of missing the point about records being given broken in sports, it's not about baseball records, that was just an example. In ALL sports, horse racing, auto racing, tennis, boxing....I don't care what it is, if is competitive, then there's a record waiting to fall. Then there are those that'll never agree to a record being broken because they'll come up with things like....who many people were watching Mosconi set the high run, what was the humidity like, the lighting, has to be the same exact balls....anyone know where those went? Fact is....Bell, for what ever reason, good or bad, hit MORE home runs than any other living or dead baseball player before him did, as he was the one swinging the bat with his two hands and for what ever else has been said....still had to hit the damn ball for a home run....but excuses are like as@%#les, everyone has one! The OP was and is, simply trying to find out the specifics about the actual pool table Mosconi performed this high run feat on....that's it, period. Now, MR Bond being the so called historian in the billiards world, can not however answer that question, but has however tried to derail this subject with arguing with me about 4 1/2" corner pockets, why is that? I simply stated that there was no call for Brunswick to produce pool tables with 4 1/2" corner pockets at that time, and not until the GC4 was produced, yet he posted a copy of a tournament held in the 1800s, that called for Brunswick tables used in that event to have tighter corner pockets as well as tighter side pockets....yet failed in his attempt to produce anything suggesting Brunswick produced such a pool table with those pocket specs. And to further suggest that Brunswick did manufacturer pool tables with 4 1/2" corner pockets would have meant that Brunswick manufactured tables out of BCA specifications as it's clearly written that no corner pockets shall be tighter than 4 7/8". But you guys clearly have missed the train....but don't worry, there'll be another one coming along soon enough:thumbup:
Glen, I'm trying to give you an easy out.
This is all you need to say:
" wow, I didnt realize Brunswick produced tables with 4.5", 4.0", and even 3.0" pockets, prior to the GCs. What do you know, I learned something new today."
Ok Mr. Bond...."wow, 4 1/2" pockets.....what tables were those available on and when we're they built....are you talking snooker tables now, or pocket pool tables?
so I'm guessing here now....but you do have something from Brunswick to back up your claim right?
I think you and I talked about this before at some point Bill but Johnny Jacket (Jackawysz SP?) told me that he played a ring game on the 526 table the day after for several hours. He said it was the loosest table he ever played on. For reference I asked him "Like those Olhausens?" with 4-3/4" pockets, he said no, those are tight in comparison. As you know, Johnny was quiet, reserved and anything but a braggart.
And 5-1/4 inch pockets falls right in line with what I was told by a guy who actually played on the table the very next day.
...you mean that part about not letting black people play? yes, I'm sure it was a totally different game back then.
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From everything I've gathered so far, I wholeheartedly agree with both you, Mr. Bond, as well as Mr. Newell, on the most probable "5-ish" inch standard pockets on Brunswick tables used back in the day.
Any ideas on what "standard" cloth colors and the fabric makeup would have been - perhaps an approximate speed comparison to today's Simonis or similar offerings?
Thank you very much for taking the time to gather more information on the record table - much appreciated!
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Yeah, 5 inches or bigger goes with everything I ever heard , when I first started going to Springfield in the mid 90s there were still lots of people who had played there during that time but not many who were at the exhibition.
And herein lies the problem. The ref on Wiki is incorrect. Most likely based on a
misunderstanding of and/or typographical error in Willie's biography. I have talked to
someone who played many hours on that table.
There is absolutely NO chance the pockets were 5 1/4.
Now, don't ever make that mistake again.
Dale(who doesn't care much)
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what does color have to do with this discussion. the period was what it was!
The first time I looked up Mosconi on Wikipedia sometime mid 90s I think , they had him listed as a World Champion at pocket billiards and 3 cushion billiards.
I had a hard time getting them to change it but I think I finally sent them a copy of the BCA Rulebook that stated only 3 players were ever World Champions at both.
I still have people arguing with me over that , none of them ever put up any money though .{drat}
{Getting to where I don't care much either lol.}
See your using the word *I think* again. That's way to frail for fact. I'll stick with Wiki for now and not backing that up with $$.
Actually, Maris did beat his record and it's in the books. They don't use the way back machine for baseball.
And yes, my point was baseball in the 1920's was WAY different than today... but fans don't dismiss the records they achieved, same with the Olympics. Heck, a HS runner could beat most of the Olympic records from the late 1800's.... but we don't go there.... only pool players go there. That's probably why pool players get the tag as "knockers", I don't see that used for any other type of sport. Gotta be a reason.
It's NOT like Mosconi asked for that table, he didn't. But was forced to play on it because it was a Brunswick. Again, if someone wants to shoot with the same type table, balls, and cloth from the day, and put on a suit and tie and wear dress shoes and beat the record, have at it. All I can say to those who dare, Gud Lock