Most Influential Cuemaker of All Time

I agree that Ginacue was the big mover in inovative cues. JOSS copied some of Gina's cues early in the 60's.
Dan Janes told me that he and Bill incorrectly measured a Gina pin and had 3/8 x 10 pins made for their ivory joint cues....opps...lol
 
Jimmyrayk said:
This is topic makes for great conversation. And when Ken said Kersenbrock, I thought his was a very interesting pick. I can't disagree. David has contributed tons to the art of cuemaking.

One thing I want to add, when I made my statement, I was actually talking about living cuemakers. Ernie has been an absolute pioneer for over forty years and is actually putting a plan together for the 50th anniversary cue.

Unbelievable :shocked2: :shocked2:

Everyone has thier own opinion and this is just mine.................

Jim Kissinger
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I look at cuemakers from a players perspective, their intro into the players market, their follow up years with product improvements, and their listening to the game to improve their product. Each player, uh hum, great player, and each cue maker (they are all great:wink:) goes through the process....and what comes out on the other end maybe something like this.... Buska is fine wine, Rambow is great art, Gina es' peso Maximo artisimo e'special with birds eye maple, and Kirsh & Zam are where its at....
 
All of the cuemakers that were mentioned are heros of mine. However I think the answer to the question is actually fourfold. I think that the cuemaker that has influenced US as modern day consumers, is a 4 part answer. MCDERMOTT, MEUCCI, HART & HELMSTETTER. These 4 brought the modern day pool cue in gigantic numbers to all of us. The last count I heard was something like 60,000 for Mcdermott & on down the line through the 4 of them to bring quallity cues in great numbers to US...JER
 
I was under the assumption that Harvey Martin was using a 3/8X10 into wood in the forties.

Dick
 
Ken_4fun said:
Hello -

I met JimmyK a couple weeks ago, and we had a discussion about cuemakers. He stated that the most influential cuemaker of all time was Ernie at Ginacue. While I think is Ernie is a great cuemaker, and I do like his cues, he isnt nearly as influential as others.

Jimmy was a little shocked at my statement, he asked, who I thought was?

Kersenbrock, I replied. In fact, he is so far the most influential, I dont even know who would be second. An amazing amount of cuemakers are using a 3/8 -10 or similiar pin, and frankly he should be getting a percentage from every cuemaker using that pin...(okay I am kinda kidding on that point, but just a little).

Jimmy and I agreed to disagree. But what are your thoughts and why? Please dont share if you cant follow up on a why. :angry:

Ken ;)
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Herman Rambo, Harvey Martin, David Paul Kersenbrock, Burton Spain these guy's lead the way in my opinion.

Take care
 
rhncue said:
I was under the assumption that Harvey Martin was using a 3/8X10 into wood in the forties.

Dick
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Actually Dick, he made his cue in 1909, he made all part's of his cues including the Pin, Tips, and the bumpers. I am not certain if the pin he developed was 3/8-10 but it was very similar in pitch, and if it was 3/8-10 Harvey invented it because he started using it in the late 1920's.

Take Care
 
Influential to whom? Other cuemakers? The collecting market? Players?

You could make many arguements for any of the great cuemakers. Rambow, easily considered the first custom two piece cue maker. Balabushka, maybe the person who perfected the two piece cue design. In the 60's and 70's I don't believe any cue won more national championships. Szamboti, quality on every level.

But the most influential.. well what if that guy was the first to use multiple rings below the wrap, the first to use multiple rings above the wrap. The first to use luthier inlays in a cue, the first to use a plastic band with his name and his customers name under the plastic, what if he was the first to make a multiple piece handle, inlaid, probably the first to use a non linen plastic in a cue, the first to make an entire forearm in plastic... his name would be Frank Paradise.

The most influential living cuemaker, Gina, DPK, JW, Black, depending on your tastes..

JV
 
Not sure of the correct spelling, but there was a cuemaker out of the Chicago area name Lobby or Lobi, had a stainless and phonelic joint and the sound it made was unique, he was way ahead of his time back in the 50's-60's
I think he was before and during the Rambow years.
 
Herman Rambow and Harvey Martin ....... it's a tie.

My first Custom was a Rambow, then a Martin. Both served me
well during the 50's - 60's. I brought home the cash most every
Friday and Saturday night using these sticks.
 
Island Drive said:
Not sure of the correct spelling, but there was a cuemaker out of the Chicago area name Lobby or Lobi, had a stainless and phonelic joint and the sound it made was unique, he was way ahead of his time back in the 50's-60's
I think he was before and during the Rambow years.
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You probably mean Eddie Laube, though he came after Rambow. See link below:

http://users.myexcel.com/HughTiernan/Bachmen/id136.htm

Also this one:
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=61218
 
Island Drive said:
Not sure of the correct spelling, but there was a cuemaker out of the Chicago area name Lobby or Lobi, had a stainless and phonelic joint and the sound it made was unique, he was way ahead of his time back in the 50's-60's
I think he was before and during the Rambow years.
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I met him a few times. I think he made a very few cues and was more of a hobbyist cue maker. He was interesting. If I remember right he used to put some kind of dot in his collars on the shafts. He seemed to be more interested in photography then cue making. That was all he liked to talk about.
 
joe said it best. depends on what your looking for. looks design innovation playability.

what about the guy that was making the brunswick 360's George Britner (1890's)

he came before them all.

also some them very early brunsiwck where .800 in the joint and 1.350 in the back. there a compound taper if i ever saw one.
 
dave sutton said:
joe said it best. depends on what your looking for. looks design innovation playability.

what about the guy that was making the brunswick 360's George Britner (1890's)

he came before them all.

also some them very early brunsiwck where .800 in the joint and 1.350 in the back. there a compound taper if i ever saw one.
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I don't think we can reduce it to any one cuemaker, but you definitely picked a good one as you went way back in American Cuemaker history. Butterflies mixed with v-points were all in the 360's. Ernie gets modern day credit for bringing them into popularity. Spain gets modern day credit for repopularizing the full splice with veneers. But the 360's were loaded with them too. So Britner probably trained Rambow, so I think your choice is probably one of the best choices as what he got started has carried down through a long line of cuemakers. That is why he was the number one inductee in our Hall of Fame.
 
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