most underated pool players

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delta boy

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here is a question that ive been asked and heard from many people thru the years. who is the most underated player? and when i try and give an answer i ask them are we talking about tournament players or cash players> cause there is a big difference.

here is my list; 1. howard vickory
2.david howard
3. reed pierce
4. ludolfo luat
5.tommy sanders
6.larry hubert
7.cj wiley
8.boston shorty
9.jerry brock
10.louie roberts.
some of yall will not agree with some of my choice but these players were and are great players but either they didnt when many big tournaments or they didnt gamble much any way looking forward to seeing other responses
 
delta boy said:
here is a question that ive been asked and heard from many people thru the years. who is the most underated player? and when i try and give an answer i ask them are we talking about tournament players or cash players> cause there is a big difference.

here is my list; 1. howard vickory
2.david howard
3. reed pierce
4. ludolfo luat
5.tommy sanders
6.larry hubert
7.cj wiley
8.boston shorty
9.jerry brock
10.louie roberts.
some of yall will not agree with some of my choice but these players were and are great players but either they didnt when many big tournaments or they didnt gamble much any way looking forward to seeing other responses
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Of all the players on that list I could possibly agree, the one that does not belong is Louie Roberts....the ones that know how he played do not under rate him...i suggest you do more research and learn some more about the great St. Louis Louis....same goes for Shorty

Cj Wiley wouldn't be so under rated if he didn't disappear from pool for so many years as i agree with you he is a great player.
 
underated player

i knew louie for many years and iam not saying he wasnt a great talent but what alot of people didnt know was that louie didnt care about the money it was the action and trying to be the best he could be.the good thing louie left for pool was that he was good for action and it didnt matter if he was giving up weight or asking for weight he played the same which was all out but ntell me how many big tournaments did he win and when he matched up with a good player such as hall he always lost.and its no digrace to lose lose to buddy but he louie was always a little bit below the top players.and as far as shorty he was a talented player but there again he was always alittle behind the top players and there again iam not taking anything away from him as a player and as a friend but the top players would line up to play him or louie
 
Mike Zuglan and most of the top players in te New England area. We never left New England because we didn't have to.
 
delta boy said:
some of yall will not agree with some of my choice
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How about none of them? None of those players are underrated. Most of them are or were highly rated when they were around.

Louis Roberts was a phenomenal cash player, not too many people disagree with that. Boston Shorty is known to be one of the best players of his era. Rudolfo Luat? Most people admit the guy is a monster. CJ Wiley was considered to be the next great one, and then pool kicked him in the nuts and he faded back into the scenery on his own choice. Reed Pierce is great, but he quit pool for the most part, what can ya do.

Not winning as many tournaments as people expected you to win is almost a sign that you are OVER rated if you get really technical. People think you are better then the results you managed.

Underrated players?

How about Kuo? The guy got second in the world pool championships, and would have been the champ if a 16 year old phenom did not run the race to 17 out from down 16-12 to beat Kuo hill hill. And now Kuo is not even mentioned when people talking about the top players.

How about Jung-Lin Chang, that guy DOMINATED the Guiness tour the last 2 years it existed but when people talk about the best players in the world Yang, Orcullo, Wu, Reyes, and others from Asia are mentioned like crazy and this guy who beat fields with the top of Asia does not get a peep.

For people of the past, Boston Shorty's era, the underrated players are tough to call, because back then you WANTED to be underrated. There are probably players from back then that were monsters but they only ever showed enough speed to win and sometimes showed weakness on purpose for a future payoff. How the heck are we ever to really know where they stood? It is not like these days, tournaments are the primary source of income and the gambling results are spread far and wide and players cannot hide for long anymore.
 
delta boy said:
and as far as shorty he was a talented player but there again he was always alittle behind the top players and there again iam not taking anything away from him as a player and as a friend but the top players would line up to play him or louie
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It is comical and ironic that you would start a thread about underrated players and then claim Boston Shorty was a step below the top players. Now you are actually underrating a player, that you yourself put on a list of players you yourself think are underrated? Seriously? Boston Shorty was a top player, he might not have been the best but he was in that peer group for sure.
 
Zuglan = respect

tom mcgonagle said:
Mike Zuglan and most of the top players in te New England area. We never left New England because we didn't have to.
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Mike Zuglan has never been under-rated.Unknown,perhaps,in some parts.
Anyone who has seen him play would not be surprised if he won the US OPEN or the WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP.He just never wanted to be a starving
pool player,he likes to eat steak,not micky d's.
He also swallows a loss as good as anybody.Winning or losing with him is
painless.
 
If you really want underrated...I would say the most left out name in pool playing history would have to be Harold Worst...the guy was a monster and beat EVERYBODY....including at 3cush.

When he became the 3cush worlds champ in argentina the mob wanted him to dump the match...he did no such thing and won, the president of the country invited him over for dinner and told him he was going to leave first thing in the mourning.

Later on in his career he went to Johnston City and beat the living hell out of everyone....then he died of cancer in his 30's i believe in 1966 he won the all around in Johnston city in 1965


In regards to this i say that he is not underrated by the older generation, just that the younger generation has no idea who the hell he was. If he had lived a full life your talking about a player with the skills of lassiter and knowlege of effren and ball control like cuelemans...a KING OF MONSTERS
 
Worst may have been best

greyghost said:
If you really want underrated...I would say the most left out name in pool playing history would have to be Harold Worst...the guy was a monster and beat EVERYBODY....including at 3cush.
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Pleased to see Harold's name mentioned.Never saw him play but i always
ask about him with people that did.The Miz confirmed his greatness.

BTW....What is Larry Johnson doing on that list? 'Shorty' was sometimes
'overlooked' but never under-rated.
 
pt109 said:
Pleased to see Harold's name mentioned.Never saw him play but i always
ask about him with people that did.The Miz confirmed his greatness.
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Alot of people say he was awesome. He is not what I would call under rated. He is kind of like Mario Lemieux, one of those guys that was known as awesome, but health got in the way of seeing if he could have been the best. Gretzky still gets to keep the title, possibly due to a bad back and cancer.
 
Celtic said:
Alot of people say he was awesome. He is not what I would call under rated. He is kind of like Mario Lemieux, one of those guys that was known as awesome, but health got in the way of seeing if he could have been the best. Gretzky still gets to keep the title, possibly due to a bad back and cancer.
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I agree he is not underrated, thats why i said its mostly an issue with the younger group just not having the knowledge of him much less his ability. Good connection b/t Lemieux and Gretzky tho...you hit the nail on the head.
 
delta boy said:
i knew louie for many years and iam not saying he wasnt a great talent but what alot of people didnt know was that louie didnt care about the money it was the action and trying to be the best he could be.the good thing louie left for pool was that he was good for action and it didnt matter if he was giving up weight or asking for weight he played the same which was all out but ntell me how many big tournaments did he win and when he matched up with a good player such as hall he always lost.and its no digrace to lose lose to buddy but he louie was always a little bit below the top players.and as far as shorty he was a talented player but there again he was always alittle behind the top players and there again iam not taking anything away from him as a player and as a friend but the top players would line up to play him or louie
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I'm not so sure about this...don't get me wrong, I never knew Louie but I'm pretty good friends with several people who did, and from my understanding, saying "Louie wasn't a top player because he got weight from Buddy and lost" is kind of like saying guys like Karl Malone weren't great basketball players just because they didn't put up the same numbers as Michael Jordan!

Everything I've ever read or heard is that in his prime...Buddy spotted everybody!!!

And I'm sure people did line up to play Louie, exactly because of what you said, he didn't care about money...so if he was beating you even, he'd give you weight, and if he was still beating you, he'd just give you more weight, and so on, just to keep you playing until even he even he couldn't out run it.

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure there were guys who were better than him besides Buddy, but I also don't think there are very many people who don't think he was a monster and a top level player.

Then again, since most of the stuff I've heard is from local guys who knew him and were friends with him, maybe it's biased...but from what I've read on here before from others outside the St. Louis circle, I don't really think so.

~J
 
Jimmy Matz

Jimmy Matz (RIP) was one of the best money players in the 70's and 80's although many never heard of him. Just ask Allen Hopkins and Buddy Hall!

Wedge
 
After Lassiter, no one won as many titles at Johnston City than Shorty. No one was lining up to rob him in those days, especially with the one foot on the ground not in effect stipulation that was routine for his gambling matches.
 
I don't think so!

delta boy said:
here is a question that ive been asked and heard from many people thru the years. who is the most underated player? and when i try and give an answer i ask them are we talking about tournament players or cash players> cause there is a big difference.

here is my list; 1. howard vickory
2.david howard
3. reed pierce
4. ludolfo luat
5.tommy sanders
6.larry hubert
7.cj wiley
8.boston shorty
9.jerry brock
10.louie roberts.
some of yall will not agree with some of my choice but these players were and are great players but either they didnt when many big tournaments or they didnt gamble much any way looking forward to seeing other responses
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Louie Roberts was most certainly Never underrated by his peer of players!


David Harcrow
 
Gary Spaeth for his 9-ball and one-pocket. A lot of people know of Gary's banking prowess but in the 20 years I staked him, he had beaten all of the top pros playing 9-ball at one time or another. You can ask any of the top players from the 70's, 80's, and 90's. Beat Earl in Charlotte, beat Buddy 4 or 5 times playing nineball, beat Cecil Tugwell playing one-hole (on accu-stats I highly reccomend this one!), beat Shannon several times playing both games. Shannon learned a lot of his one-pocket from playing Gary when he was still young. Gary used to give Shannon 9-7 and his fouls didn't count back when Shannon was about 14-15!!!! Jason Miller and John Brumback both were students of Gary's and I'm not talking about just banks but all games except 14.1, Gary hated the game for some reason! His credits go way beyond Bank Pool where he was untouchable for a period!


just more hot air!


Sherm
 
3 of the most under rated players were, Jimmy Reid, chuck morgan, and fritz from utica ny imo.
 
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