My Fargorate progression

iusedtoberich

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Second update was the PA One pocket open. This was a nice tournament. The entry was 175. The TD added $5000, even though only 19 players showed up. It was probably the best bang for the buck tournament of all time, that had an actual entry fee. It was kind of sad that Philly is known as a one pocket room, and nearly all the regulars in the room it was held at play one hole and back pocket 9 ball, and none of them signed up. All the players were from other rooms or traveling from out of state.

My first match I played a low 500, and after game one, he said to me this is his first time ever playing one hole. I believed him, as he didn't know how to keep score. I won that 3-0, and thanked him for playing, and hope he keeps playing. The next match I lost 0-3 to a local room owner Brett, who ended up in 3rd, and beat Jonas earlier in the event.

I played like absolute garbage on both of those matches. Maybe the worst one hole I played in my life. I missed a ton of easy open shots. I wanted to go home and burn my cues.

My 3rd match was against Eddie Abraham. He's been one of the top Philly area players for 30 years. He was a 737 fargo going in, but he's been out of the game for about 10 years and was not as strong as he used to be. I lost 1-3 against him, but played really well for me, so was quite happy I finally got my game back together.

My rating didn't move during this event.

I ended up playing Frost for 50 a rack 10-6. I used to bet against him every year at the DCC, and he and I have had a good laugh about it every time we've seen each other. I ended up down 5 games in total, winning 3 to his 8. I actually played super super good, and was very happy with my performance. The real game between us is probably something like 15-5. I knew I was donating, and was ok with that.
 

iusedtoberich

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The 3rd update was the WNT 9 ball. Again my rating didn't move. Sky won.

First match I beat a local 601 9-6. Second and 3rd matches I had legit touring pros. I lost 3-9 to Chet Vergara 716, and 3-9 to Alex Bausch 718. I played really well against both of them, and was in a position to win or do damage early on. Both matches I was either ahead when I had 3, or tied (I forget now), and I was playing great. Then as the matches progressed, I didn't take advantage of my opportunities, and of course lost.

The last match was super tough on me. I actually shed a tear about 20 minutes later when it all hit me. This game is so difficult to master, and I think being in the position to win and then not converting against a top player caught up with me.

The tournament itself was excellent. Best by far I've played in. This was my second WNT event. The first was last year's Battle of the Bull. That one had big truck doing the calcutta for 3 hrs which made my head spin. My first match didn't start until 1am at that one.

This one the calcutta was all online the week before, so no wasting time with bull shit. There must have been 6 or 8 WNT refs hired for the event. John Lehman was the head ref. All the games, even the outside games, the refs racked each rack, players were not allowed to inspect (was magic rack anyway, so they were all good), and the refs were available for any calls. It super added professionalism to the event.

There were no professional refs for the Battle of the Bull last year. IDK if that is a new requirement by MR since they've grown in a year, or it was our TD's decision. In either case, I was quite happy with the event.

Also all the matches were schedule in advance, every 2 hours. We all knew when we had to play way in advance, and could rest or practice or eat or whatever with confidence on the schedule. That alone was super super nice.

The TD brought in all new table lights and digital pool score boards. The lights were perimeter style, but hand made by the digital pool staff. I talked with them a bit. They were hand making the lights, welding them into a rectangle at a local metal shop, and painting them. Then hanging them. A ton of manual labor, but it resulted in a nice product. They were not as bright as the other brand of perimeter style lights, but I personally liked that.

The digital pool scoreboard tablet on the light is still super glitchy. It's slow as F. It also glitched a bunch of times showing for example one player's name for both of the players many times during the match. I met the main brain digital pool guy. He said the reason it's slow is it all comes out of his own local server (in I forget what USA state he said). Going with something cloud based like AWS was cost prohibitive (since he's also hosting the recorded videos), and he also wanted total control of the server. I'll agree to disagree with that model, as I use a ton of AWS based software at my dayjob, that is completely confidential, and it is as fast as local programs. Anyway, he's the boss.

The scoreboard actually was used for the one pocket event also, and had a one pocket mode where you keep ball count on the tablet in addition to game count. This was a 1000% non-starter. It took about 15 seconds to register the click, and there would be no feedback if it knew you pressed the button until the score changed. We'd be pushing the button up and down and 15 seconds later it would be moving all over the place. Finally all the players had enough in the one-hole and only kept the game count on the scoreboard.

For 9 ball it was still slow, but usable.

If he fixes that, the system would really be nice, IMO.
 

iusedtoberich

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Do the scoreboards stay or travel with the digi folks?
Staying with the room. I was there a few times during the week when the tournament was over, and the bangers were trying to use them. They seem to half work in banger mode, when there is no tournament going on they were linked to. It would be cool if they could be set up so anyone could use them at any time, imo. The tablet to input the score is on one side of the light, and on the other side, is a big TV screen showing the score so all the spectators can see.
 

Black-Balled

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Staying with the room. I was there a few times during the week when the tournament was over, and the bangers were trying to use them. They seem to half work in banger mode, when there is no tournament going on they were linked to. It would be cool if they could be set up so anyone could use them at any time, imo. The tablet to input the score is on one side of the light, and on the other side, is a big TV screen showing the score so all the spectators can see.
Is it only tracking players and scores?
 

Bob Jewett

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Staying with the room. ...
California Billiards got new lights with score screens a little while ago. Also, there is a camera on each table. I don't think it all works yet, but eventually you will be able to stream/record your games/matches/practice. I don't know the financials.
 

iusedtoberich

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California Billiards got new lights with score screens a little while ago. Also, there is a camera on each table. I don't think it all works yet, but eventually you will be able to stream/record your games/matches/practice. I don't know the financials.
Yeah, same here, I forgot about the camera and the score screen. I'll upload a few pictures.

I talked with the head of the digital pool team. His team of 3 (including him) were there over a week daily setting up (and fabricating) the lights, cameras, score screen, score tablet, AND a ton of network gear and network wiring to make it all work together. The cost to the room was something about $1200 per table (for all of the above). I asked him, "how the hell do you make any money, I know you're not making money on the equipment"? He said their business model is to get the systems in place in the rooms for a reasonable cost, and then charge the monthly access fee to the consumers that want to watch the streams. Maybe that's why he's using his own servers, to maximize his profit. I sure wish he moved at least the scoring app onto AWS, even if he kept the video streams on his own servers.

He also mentioned he's working to change the scoring app to work locally at the table (so its very fast), and then have a slight delay to sync the data with his servers.
 

iusedtoberich

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My long time buddy who I thought I could finally beat brought my ego down a peg! ha ha. We played 3 salatto sets. 1st on a barbox, next 2 on a 9'. He won 7-4, 7-3, 5-3, total of 19-10. He was 594/818 going in. I was 574/912. Now he's 598 and I'm 571. (he also had a league match the same day that he won 6-0, which was part of his increase).

The graph and associated data is getting a bit big for the page and starting to get blurry. I might have to simplify it soon.
 

Jimmorrison

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My long time buddy who I thought I could finally beat brought my ego down a peg! ha ha. We played 3 salatto sets. 1st on a barbox, next 2 on a 9'. He won 7-4, 7-3, 5-3, total of 19-10. He was 594/818 going in. I was 574/912. Now he's 598 and I'm 571. (he also had a league match the same day that he won 6-0, which was part of his increase).

The graph and associated data is getting a bit big for the page and starting to get blurry. I might have to simplify it soon.
Good on ya, I,ve enjoyed riding along.
 

iusedtoberich

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This tournament was a couple days before my latest solatto match. Unfortunately, it was not fargo reported. I put the Fargo numbers of my opponents, and the match score in the picture. The first guy I played, Doug 594, was who I played the Salotto match. I beat him 5-2. We side bet 25 on the tournament match, and that later set up the Salotto match woofing;). The next was Charlie 608 I beat 5-2. He and I gamble a lot, he usually gives me 1 game on the wire to 7 when we gamble. Then was Shawn 669 who has had my number for 20 years, and I finally beat him 5-1. Brett 653 was too strong for me, and beat me 1-6. Then I played Shawn 669 again to get in the finals, and lost 4-6. I ended up getting 3rd. The tournament was handicapped by games using an in-house system. The scores I put up were the actual 9 balls pocketed. My first two opponents were even to 5, the last two opponents were my 5 to their 6. I think if this was reported, I'd have gone up a bit. Not 100% sure as Brett beat me pretty bad.
 

David in FL

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This tournament was a couple days before my latest solatto match. Unfortunately, it was not fargo reported. I put the Fargo numbers of my opponents, and the match score in the picture. The first guy I played, Doug 594, was who I played the Salotto match. I beat him 5-2. We side bet 25 on the tournament match, and that later set up the Salotto match woofing;). The next was Charlie 608 I beat 5-2. He and I gamble a lot, he usually gives me 1 game on the wire to 7 when we gamble. Then was Shawn 669 who has had my number for 20 years, and I finally beat him 5-1. Brett 653 was too strong for me, and beat me 1-6. Then I played Shawn 669 again to get in the finals, and lost 4-6. I ended up getting 3rd. The tournament was handicapped by games using an in-house system. The scores I put up were the actual 9 balls pocketed. My first two opponents were even to 5, the last two opponents were my 5 to their 6. I think if this was reported, I'd have gone up a bit. Not 100% sure as Brett beat me pretty bad.
Really solid!
 

iusedtoberich

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I'm going backwards. Below 570 again to 569.

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I played like crap at a tournament one week ago. I was happy with one game though, that made the trip worthwhile in my head. I was down 3-0 in an even race to 4 against a 565. I pushed out after the break and froze the CB to the back of a ball. My opponent naturally gave it back to me. I kicked in the 1 and ran the rest of the rack. Then I broke and ran the next rack. He ended up still winning 4-2, but I at least played good a short while:) (tables were Valleys with super tight extended pockets).

I also played in a local 16 player short rack banks tournament yesterday. (not fargo of course). Open, no handicaps. I got beat in the tournament, and beat gambling regular 9 ball and 1 pocket afterwards. Time to take two weeks off, then quit;) ha ha.

After all this time, I still think pool comes down to the genetics that control hand-eye coordination. I've seen it for 30 years now. The pecking order never changes.
 

philly

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I'm going backwards. Below 570 again to 569.

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I played like crap at a tournament one week ago. I was happy with one game though, that made the trip worthwhile in my head. I was down 3-0 in an even race to 4 against a 565. I pushed out after the break and froze the CB to the back of a ball. My opponent naturally gave it back to me. I kicked in the 1 and ran the rest of the rack. Then I broke and ran the next rack. He ended up still winning 4-2, but I at least played good a short while:) (tables were Valleys with super tight extended pockets).

I also played in a local 16 player short rack banks tournament yesterday. (not fargo of course). Open, no handicaps. I got beat in the tournament, and beat gambling regular 9 ball and 1 pocket afterwards. Time to take two weeks off, then quit;) ha ha.

After all this time, I still think pool comes down to the genetics that control hand-eye coordination. I've seen it for 30 years now. The pecking order never changes.

Been trying to find out who won that banks tournaments....no luck.
Heard it was a good field.
 

iusedtoberich

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Late Nov I went to the International Open. I played in the 650 and under amateur event on the 9'. I went 2-2. They had my name spelled wrong. The tournament does not show up in my digital pool history. But it made it to the fargorate app.

I really enjoyed the tournament. Pat did a fine job, it was very well organized. I think I'd rather go there again than DCC for a bigger pool trip. I shook his hand and told him that.

I also played in 4 575 and under mini's they had on bar boxes. I played like absolute garbage all 4, but managed to get 2nd place in 2 of the 4.

All 5 tournaments combined dropped me down 4 points to 566.
 

ShortBusRuss

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I really want to work on raising my FR back up to a level commensurate with my best game, but annoyingly, the TDs at DCC still don't report full match scores to Fargorate.

I would appreciate any recommendations for a multidiscipline 9 foot event, as my wife and I are perfectly open to going "anywhere else but Derby", with the priority being events with longer races, that report to Fargo. Something that does not require any specific league membership.

In a perfect world, the event would be in late Spring, Summer, or early Fall, as my house in Germany doesn't have efficient heating, so practicing during the coldest parts of Winter is just not all that feasible.

Any suggestions would be appreciated for such an event. If there are two events in close proximity back to back weeks, that both report to Fargorate, and on 9 foot tables, that would be perfect.
 

iusedtoberich

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I really want to work on raising my FR back up to a level commensurate with my best game, but annoyingly, the TDs at DCC still don't report full match scores to Fargorate.

I would appreciate any recommendations for a multidiscipline 9 foot event, as my wife and I are perfectly open to going "anywhere else but Derby", with the priority being events with longer races, that report to Fargo. Something that does not require any specific league membership.

In a perfect world, the event would be in late Spring, Summer, or early Fall, as my house in Germany doesn't have efficient heating, so practicing during the coldest parts of Winter is just not all that feasible.

Any suggestions would be appreciated for such an event. If there are two events in close proximity back to back weeks, that both report to Fargorate, and on 9 foot tables, that would be perfect.
Get to the International Open. Pat does a 10x better job than the clusterF of DCC. He has open pro, 650 amateur, one pocket, straight pool, (all on 9') and there are a bunch of mini's on the 7'.

Btw, I'll prob make another post on it when I get around to it, the format of the Intl Open Amateur event was exactly like DCC. Blind re-draws each round, with one re-buy. It was all on the digital pool bracket. Full scores, and reported to fargorate. So next time someone says can't do that format and report, its hogwash.
 
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