my reply to the 49.99 to watch the US open

Fatboy

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I waited to see what the vote was gonna be and its 70% no, Streaming video is the best thing to happen to pool since chalk was invented, ESPN etc hasnt done us many favors and this gets pool into alot of peoples houses LIVE-it dosent get any better,

However $49.99 is too much $$$ for streaming video, They are pricing themselfs out of alot of viewers, $20 is the sweet spot IMO, I'm a marketer and I go by my instincts and if they charged less they would leave some $$$ on the table any more than $20 or $25 they are driving away potential buys,


The Actionreport guys have it priced right, and will succeed in time as we get accustomed to watchings more content on our computers and not TV.


I'm not knocking the US Open guys, hell I dont know who's doing it, I applaude their efforts. But with 70% of the people saying no-myself included(I can afford it) they are just over pricing the event. I hope they are successful, and encourage the fans to buy it but....."Its just too F$&@^%# high!!!!!". I believe everyone should make $$$ but I know they would do better if they dropped the price a bit.
 
I agree with all you said up above FatBoy. Like I said before, IF I had some decent wagers to sweat going at the US Open I'd spring for the $50. But I don't and I won't pay that for Maybe catching a good match on the TV table. $19.95 would be my price. Johnnyt
 
I wouldn't pay myself that 50. Having said that, they are over 600 viewers and 60 Voters for a whooping 10%. :)

It really doesn't say much. I would guess that many will actually pay or have paid. :rolleyes:
 
Fatboy said:
I waited to see what the vote was gonna be and its 70% no, Streaming video is the best thing to happen to pool since chalk was invented, ESPN etc hasnt done us many favors and this gets pool into alot of peoples houses LIVE-it dosent get any better,

However $49.99 is too much $$$ for streaming video, They are pricing themselfs out of alot of viewers, $20 is the sweet spot IMO, I'm a marketer and I go by my instincts and if they charged less they would leave some $$$ on the table any more than $20 or $25 they are driving away potential buys,


The Actionreport guys have it priced right, and will succeed in time as we get accustomed to watchings more content on our computers and not TV.


I'm not knocking the US Open guys, hell I dont know who's doing it, I applaude their efforts. But with 70% of the people saying no-myself included(I can afford it) they are just over pricing the event. I hope they are successful, and encourage the fans to buy it but....."Its just too F$&@^%# high!!!!!". I believe everyone should make $$$ but I know they would do better if they dropped the price a bit.
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I agree with you totally but I am gonna be laid up for the week and honestly ....if $50 makes me feel a little better ater surgery I am gonna pay it. In normal circumstances I wouldn't pay but I did this time.
 
Are the archive games only coming from the TV table also? If so I would have to agree the price is a bit steep for what you get.

cheers----------BW
 
I respectfully disagree.

If the streaming is as they say it will be, and given that it is nearly continuous for the duration of the tournament, that is a bargain compared to any other pro spectator event.

I live only about 4 hours away and it would cost $80 just in gasoline to drive down and see it in person. Obviously, if it were cheaper I wouldn't complain, but this is only about $7/day.

Of course if it doesn't work, and there are all kinds of sreaming problems (which often seems to be the case) then I wouldn't be too happy.

This is definitely NOT gouging in my opinion.
 
I'ts too much but I paid it because I want to see it. Whaddagunnado?

I'm worried about what they're going to charge for Derby City.
 
Live Streaming

Im paid and watching every day at the poolroom.
Less people buying and watching will be a better video stream for us. LOL

highrun55
 
The price is totally in line. For a week of feature matches with commentators of one of the majors? How much is a typical UFC PPV fight?

I really can't see how anyone could figure that this is not a great value? I have watched BCTV's stuff in the past and generally been well pleased with the amount of pool for the money and this doesn't look any different.

In comparison to the Action Report the US Open will have multiple cameras, news of other matches, replays and closeups. In short, there IS no comparison. If anything this event is priced too low OR the Action Report's was too high. I think that both events are priced just fine and offer great value for the money.

This is not a charity. If you can't afford $50 for this event then maybe you need to be looking for a better job :-)

If the hypothetical break even is $50,000 then they need 1000 viewers at $50 or 2500 at $20. I would bet it's easier to get 1000 people to pay $50 than it is to get 2500 to pay 20. And after the break even point the profits are much lower with each additional viewer at 20.

I haven't looked at how BCTV is doing it but in years past they sold the PPV as a package or as a per match basis. I paid $10 once to view the DCC finals and it rocked.

So for all those that claim to support pool here is your chance to get one of the GREATEST values in pool, brought to you by a pioneer in Streaming Video of pool matches. For all that we like to applaud The Action Report we should also applaud the FACT that BCTV was there FIRST with high quality web streaming of Pro Matches.
 
JimS said:
I'ts too much but I paid it because I want to see it. Whaddagunnado?
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That's the problem with today's society. We just accept what they give us. We need to all stick together on this. I wouldn't be so quick to sign up for this event after the streaming problems with the Derby City finals last January.

By the way... I can't get the demo to work on the BCN site. All I see on the screen is some text, is that supposed to be the demo? Has anyone seen an actual demo?
 
JimS said:
I'ts too much but I paid it because I want to see it. Whaddagunnado?

I'm worried about what they're going to charge for Derby City.
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Your worried? This is an issue that is keeping you up at night ? Take a reality check, it cost me a $100.00 to go out and have a decent meal with my wife. To spend a few hours out on the boat a month with fuel dockage fees and so on it cost me a thousand a month. Stuff cost money, and a few dollars to watch some pool from the comfort of your home is great. So it may not be perfect, so what. You could go in person and have some jerk sitting next to you who never shuts up or a seat you have to break your neck just to see. Come on, give me a break.

What do you want, a guarantee it will all be perfect before you will pay? I've promoted quite a few tournaments and I have to say, there are no worse fans then pool fans. All they try to do is sneak in or stiff you in some way, they have to be about the worst sports fans there are. Like I said in my other post, I don't know why a promoter even wastes their time. Look at Barry, he loses money practically every year, it's a joke. You know I actually almost opened another pool room this year and then I came to my senses and rented the building out instead.
 
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macguy said:
I don't know why a promoter even wastes their time. Look at Barry, he loses money practically every year, it's a joke.
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COME ON! Barry might lose money on paper, or he might lose money as far as the IRS is concerned, but don't be naive! I agree room owners are hurting, but not Barry or BCN or DCC.

If pool players are such low-life, degenerate, losers, why do you hang out here?
 
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pwd72s said:
If you mean a quorum? Make that 4...:D
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No, I meant managinal twa but it's obvious I don't know how to spell that:o


After further consideration I'll prolly spend the fifty because it's not that much based on the scope of the coverage.
 
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I don't think it's an outrageous amount of money for so much coverage, but I won't be paying for it. Simply because I can't afford it. My money gets spent on playing pool twice a week & I'd rather play than watch if it comes down to that.

I must get a job like macguy. $100 for a meal for two? Boating for $1k a month? Fair play to you but we don't all have that kind of cash!
 
Tim5000 said:
By the way... I can't get the demo to work on the BCN site. All I see on the screen is some text, is that supposed to be the demo? Has anyone seen an actual demo?
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The demo worked for me but I had to download an IE patch because I use Mozilla Firefox. It did look pretty close to TV quality when in fullscreen mode. It was much clearer than any streaming video I've seen before.
 
John Barton said:
The price is totally in line. For a week of feature matches with commentators of one of the majors? How much is a typical UFC PPV fight?

This is not a charity. If you can't afford $50 for this event then maybe you need to be looking for a better job :-)

If the hypothetical break even is $50,000 then they need 1000 viewers at $50 or 2500 at $20. I would bet it's easier to get 1000 people to pay $50 than it is to get 2500 to pay 20. And after the break even point the profits are much lower with each additional viewer at 20.

So for all those that claim to support pool here is your chance to get one of the GREATEST values in pool, brought to you by a pioneer in Streaming Video of pool matches. For all that we like to applaud The Action Report we should also applaud the FACT that BCTV was there FIRST with high quality web streaming of Pro Matches.
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Sorry John, your entire argument on how to value and price a product is totally flawed.

Whether this programming, or any other product, is worth a particiliar price is not determined by dividing it's customer base by it's costs and then adding a reasonable profit to that number. That would mean that the less desirable your product is, and the less customers you attract, the more you should charge. That is exactly the reverse way of developing a successful, profitable business model. A viable startup business first finds a need not being filled within a particiliar industry, develops a quality, marketable product that fills that need, and prices that product according to it's estimated value to it's potential customer base. Most business developers know that the more you charge for your product the less customers you will attract, and intentially try to keep their initial pricing low, sometimes even losing money until a large enough, loyal customer base is established. They continue to improve their product and incrementally raise prices as they establish themselves.

Why should it be that the pool community be the only industry where the customers are asked to accept and subsidize any overpriced, poorly planned and run business? Other industries are required to supply a good product at a fair price to their customers and their customers are always allowed to criticize, or not patronize, any business that does not properly serve their needs. That is how business works, as it should be. Why should we be expected to accept a second class status and relinquish our consumer rights in order to support poorly planned, or priced, business models? To do so will only mean that the pool industry will forever be relegated to a second class, subculture status. I absolutely refuse to accept that as the future of pool.

I'm not stating that I believe that this particiliar company and product falls into the above scenario, but if it does, we certainly have the right to not support it.

Jim
 
The $49 changes to $69 after tomorrow . . . I was going to order, but the web page that takes your credit card info is not secure :eek: I don't need my credit card number stolen and credit history trashed just to see some pool. Wish they would fix it.
 
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