My Sugartree review...

BlowFish

BlowFish

Pinoy D-Player
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As posted from Cue Gallery thread -> http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=99725

Backgrounder:
Eric (AZB: qbilder) posted (mid-April) some cues up for grab on EPT. He had 4 of these beauties and this one attracted my attention. As he mentioned in his post, they where his Proto-types. I just happened to be online the minute Eric posted these cues and I selected this beautiful Cocobolo/Curly Koa player.

Forearm: (Cocobolo)
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Handle: (Curly Koa)
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Butt: (Cocobolo)
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Whole cue:
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Woods:
Forearm: Cocobolo
Handle: Curly Koa
Butt: Cocobolo

Specs:
Lenght: 58" (Shaft: 29", Butt: 29")
Weight: 17.70oz (Shaft: 3.90oz, Butt: 13.80oz)
Balance Point: 20.50"

Tip: SuperPro
Ferrule: 0.75"
Pin: SS 3/8x10

Diameter:
Shaft: 13.25mm, 21.55mm (0.521", 0.848")
Butt: 21.55mm, 31.92mm (0.848", 1.257")

Finish:
Very nice and evenly done.

Woods:
The Curly Koa looks really ugly like mud. Very dirty with curls in a nice kinda way. The Cocobolo is nothing like any Cocobolo I have seen. It's pretty unique on how it looks. That's what attracted me to this cue. Uniquely ugly in a beautiful kinda way. :)

Straightness:
The cue is straight together or apart. No part of the butt-cap, joint and ferrule lifts off the table. There is very minimal taper roll on the middle of the shaft when rolled on the table.

Balance:
The balance of this cue is pretty forward.

Playability:
The way this cue hits is amazing good. Very firm and solid with a loud ping to it. It has the power to juice up the CB. I will need to tone down that ping sound a bit by changing the tip to something a little bit softer. With the current setup, it's a pretty darn good breaker. Having said that, I think I'll have it as a breaker paired with my Mason. They look like a lovely pair together. :D

Eric, thank you very much for finally giving me the opportunity to own one of your cues after all this years of waiting. ;)
 
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A SugarTree breaker? Well... to each his own. To me it's almost a sacrilege.
 
BlowFish said:
As posted from Cue Gallery thread -> http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=99725

Backgrounder:
Eric (AZB: qbilder) posted (mid-April) some cues up for grab on EPT. He had 4 of these beauties and this one attracted my attention. As he mentioned in his post, they where his Proto-types. I just happened to be online the minute Eric posted these cues and I selected this beautiful Cocobolo/Curly Kao player (3rd from top).

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Woods:
Forearm: Cocobolo
Handle: Curly Kao
Butt: Cocobolo

Specs:
Lenght: 58" (Shaft: 29", Butt: 29")
Weight: 17.70oz (Shaft: 3.90oz, Butt: 13.80oz)
Balance Point: 20.50"

Tip: SuperPro
Ferrule: 0.75"
Pin: SS 3/8x10

Diameter:
Shaft: 13.25mm, 21.55mm (0.521", 0.848")
Butt: 21.55mm, 31.92mm (0.848", 1.257")

Finish:
Very nice and evenly done.

Woods:
The Curly Kao looks really ugly like mud. Very dirty with curls in a nice kinda way. The Cocobolo is nothing like any Cocobolo I have seen. It's pretty unique on how it looks. That's what attracted me to this cue. Uniquely ugly in a beautiful kinda way. :)

Straightness:
The cue is straight together or apart. No part of the butt-cap, joint and ferrule lifts off the table. There is very minimal taper roll on the middle of the shaft when rolled on the table.

Balance:
The balance of this cue is pretty forward.

Playability:
The way this cue hits is amazing good. Very firm and solid with a loud ping to it. It has the power to juice up the CB. I will need to tone down that ping sound a bit by changing the tip to something a little bit softer. With the current setup, it's a pretty darn good breaker. Having said that, I think I'll have it as a breaker paired with my Mason. They look like a lovely pair together. :D

Eric, thank you very much for finally giving me the opportunity to own one of your cues after all this years of waiting. ;)
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I am on Erics list and can't wait. Having said that, I hit with a cue that had just left his shop, while I was at VF, that the ping scared me and I had the same reaction you did. I felt like it was nothing but tip or tip/ferrule combo that I thought it could be adjusted. It was interersting to see you had pretty much the same reaction I did.
 
Latest pix I had my good friend Ben Tecson shoot.

3/8x10 SS Joint and lovely Cocobolo.
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The grains on that Cocobolo is a thing of beauty.
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Look at the Curly Koa, I'm spellbound.
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Anton's work of Art. Cue is plain jane, but the JPs have 8-pointer. :)
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Simple joint to get that much needed feedback.
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Very nice and cleanly done shaft with SuperPro Tip.
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RascalDoc said:
I am on Erics list and can't wait. Having said that, I hit with a cue that had just left his shop, while I was at VF, that the ping scared me and I had the same reaction you did. I felt like it was nothing but tip or tip/ferrule combo that I thought it could be adjusted. It was interersting to see you had pretty much the same reaction I did.
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I think the ping comes from the ferrule ... *but*

I have a texas ebony ST cue (hefty cue) and that cue ping and pongs more than other STs.
 
the older sought after by some LBM is very dense and hard and it does ping quite a bit.
 
masonh said:
the older sought after by some LBM is very dense and hard and it does ping quite a bit.
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THe capped ones did.
If you uncap them, the ping does go down quite a bit.
I play with an uncapped one.
I think it squirts less and hits just fine.

That shaft does look pretty dense. Nice shaft. Prolly a 4+ oz'r.
 
Great pics!!! As for "ping", it's not the ferrule. Even micarta ferrules ping on my cues. My ferrules are very thin walled due to my large tenon, so the material I use as ferrule has to be incredibly strong as to not crack. It's a "through" ferrule, not capped, so the tip glues directly to the wood. There's solidness from tip all the way through to the bumper, nowhere to dampen or muffle the sound of impact, so instead it sings like a canary. Some like it, some don't, some indifferent. It's just a side effect of my construction techniques.
 
Mine pings and I love it! I want to make the Sugartree my playing cue but it has 13mm shafts and they are the lake wood shafts. I hate 13mm! I play with 11.3 at the largest. But, I don't want to cut down lake wood shafts and ruin the cue for everybody else. I'm still on the fence as to what to do.
 
Order another shaft from Eric and have him make it at the size you want. And save the lake woods. Problem solved.
 
joeboxer said:
Order another shaft from Eric and have him make it at the size you want. And save the lake woods. Problem solved.
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i think he said he won't take his shafts bellow 12.75 or was it 12.5mm
 
JimS said:
Mine pings and I love it! I want to make the Sugartree my playing cue but it has 13mm shafts and they are the lake wood shafts. I hate 13mm! I play with 11.3 at the largest. But, I don't want to cut down lake wood shafts and ruin the cue for everybody else. I'm still on the fence as to what to do.
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I have a skinny 30 inch ST shaft .. I think it's like 12.3 or something. Let me know if you're interested and I'll take more accurate measurement.
 
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