Natural Cures at it again...not good

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Once again, please check your credit card statements. Natural Cures tried to charge me again but this time it was under a new name. The first time it was for: REVENUESHIELD8668823 AMERICAN FORKUT $ 89.95 Supermarkets

This time they tried it under this one: 08/09/07 EXTREMELEANRX 8668823186 $ 89.95 Merchandise/ Retail
REVERSAL OF TEMPORARY CREDIT

Fortunately, it was reversed on the same day. I am closing that account which I have had for over 17 years.

In case you missed my first post on this wrongful charge incident, here is the link: http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=66219

Please do not let them charge you for these bogus items.
 
you have no consideration!

You have no consideration for poor KT, the members of the IPT or the pool world in general!!! How do you expect KT to pay off present debt and start up the IPT again without robbing a few million people? You should be proud to do your part! . . . . . . well no, I never did sign up for the IPT site membership or buy anything from them myself. This is why.

If anyone is in doubt, everything but the last line above is pure sarcasm. KT lives in style but he does it on a constant rollover of funds from all appearances. If someone cut off his cash flow tomorrow he would be broke before the week was out. My opinion anyway, and I have seen KT's by the dozens over the years.

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a_susie_cue said:
Once again, please check your credit card statements. Natural Cures tried to charge me again but this time it was under a new name. The first time it was for: REVENUESHIELD8668823 AMERICAN FORKUT $ 89.95 Supermarkets

This time they tried it under this one: 08/09/07 EXTREMELEANRX 8668823186 $ 89.95 Merchandise/ Retail
REVERSAL OF TEMPORARY CREDIT

Fortunately, it was reversed on the same day. I am closing that account which I have had for over 17 years.

In case you missed my first post on this wrongful charge incident, here is the link: http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=66219

Please do not let them charge you for these bogus items.
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No offense or anything but what did you expect to happen. I am not saying that you deserved it but you gave your money to a convicted conman offering miracle cures. Hmmm...does anyone else see the illogical reasoning here.
 
^ I think you think that he ordered some of his 'natural cures' product. And I (not sure) am thinking that's not the case -- he paid for a membership at www.InternationalPoolTour.com.

Still, the reason I never signed up was because of my knowledge of KT's past.

Sucks you had to close your account, but hey, KT's gotta get the money to the players some how. lol.
 
a_susie_cue said:
AMERICAN FORKUT $ 89.95 Supermarkets

EXTREMELEANRX 8668823186 $ 89.95 Merchandise/ Retail
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Don't take this wrong - but neither of those names says "Natural Cures" on'em. How do you know this was KT's charges? Some more info on that would be helpful, especially to those others who also shared their CC info with his, ah, 'enterprise'. Knowledge is power, after all.
 
I remember talking on the phone to Jay Helfert last summer and we were joking about the possibility that this may happen if you joined the IPT website. It is well documented that many people had this same problem when they joined the NaturalCures website after purchasing Kevin's book. Hopefully you will be able to get this straightened out soon, Susie. Good luck!
 
a_susie_cue said:
Once again, please check your credit card statements. Natural Cures tried to charge me again but this time it was under a new name. The first time it was for: REVENUESHIELD8668823 AMERICAN FORKUT $ 89.95 Supermarkets

This time they tried it under this one: 08/09/07 EXTREMELEANRX 8668823186 $ 89.95 Merchandise/ Retail
REVERSAL OF TEMPORARY CREDIT

Fortunately, it was reversed on the same day. I am closing that account which I have had for over 17 years.

In case you missed my first post on this wrongful charge incident, here is the link: http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=66219

Please do not let them charge you for these bogus items.
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The entire premise behind this fraud is that the company, Natural Cures or any subsidiary thereof, can claim clerical error and reverse charges at no expense to themselves. While most will dispute the charges and have them reversed, some will never even acknowledge the bogus charges and simply pay them. Now, if they use these "clerical" errors to charge 10 million and even 5% of the people never dispute them then that is another $500,000 that this con man has taken.
 
I'm shocked the evil seedy underworld of pocket billiards hasn't put a hit out on this guy and had him taken care of for good.
 
Bishop, I know where your coming from but if I were you I wouldn't want that statement next my name. Just sayin man. Might wanna chill on the threats of contract murder.
 
i'm in a similar business to KT's, swimilar in the way we collect $$$, however i have been at it for 11 years legally, most likely he is using different names to debit you account because there are specific laws about how many attempts a origonator(KT in your case) can attempt to debit an account, so if he goes back to debit under another name for a different product(even if it isnt) then he kinda works around the rules, bad ethics. This works with credit cards or checking account debits,

Or he might have had whats legally defined as a "negitive trial option" which means a free trial period and it is encumbent on you to cancel the transaction and if you dont cancel it, then you agree that the transaction is cool and they bang your credit card or checking account. Its legal and if you look at everything you got from him, the fine print its in there somewhere, it should be clearly and conspiciously placed in the marketing materails but more often than not it isnt,


you dont need to close the account after 17 years there are other measures to throw some heat on him but I need more details on the exact transactions and I can help you.

What pisses me off is my billing model is similar to this but is legal, I got popped 10 years ago and have been in compliance ever since, and businesses like this throw bad light on me, its the guilty by association thing, like saying all pool players are degenerate gamblers, alcholics and junkies. When it isnt true but the few bad guys bring heat to the majority od good guys
 
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Fatboy said:
i'm in a similar business to KT's, swimilar in the way we collect $$$, however i have been at it for 11 years legally, most likely he is using different names to debit you account because there are specific laws about how many attempts a origonator(KT in your case) can attempt to debit an account, so if he goes back to debit under another name for a different product(even if it isnt) then he kinda works around the rules, bad ethics.
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lol, understatement of the year!
 
Someone might say well thats how the system works. And there is no law against it. So did he really do anything wrong by the standards of American consumer law?


17 years they probably sending you a free tote bag with that much time together.
 
justnum said:
Someone might say well thats how the system works. And there is no law against it. So did he really do anything wrong by the standards of American consumer law?


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go to FTC.gov and you can read all about KT's troubles, he is under the microscope big time and he isnt coloring outside of the lines anymore, if he was they would get a TRO-Temporary Restraining Order and freeze all his assetts and appoint a reciever to hold all the assetts, then build a case
against him and 99.99% of the time the defendant loses it all. I had a friend lose 16mil on a similar thing.

There are lots of rules/laws protecting consumers, sometimes too many laws in other cases not enough but in the past 10 years they have tightened up DR-Direct Marketing which is the biz KT is in, it describes the trade practices-how you sell something it dosent define specific products most of the time, In KT case he paid a 2 or 3 million dollar fine for selling some bogus weight loss product in his deal with the Govt the Govt said specifically that he wasnt prohibited from writing books, the Govt gave him the idea and since is specifically stated in his order(deal with the Govt) he could write books he did just that to piss off the govt, he marketed it well. In his 30 minuts infomercials he knocks the Govt many times his motivation was to pi$$ of the FTC Federal Trade Commision and he did that and made millions in the process, The IPT was a idea that he had but when internet gambling was made illegal his revinue model went down the tubes so he backed out.
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Thanks for posting this susie_cue, for keeping us informed. Sadly, I was robbed by him also. Ordered one of his books (yes I know...) and it never came. Called, e-mailed, everything to try and get my 30 bucks back. Never saw it. They don't answer e-mails or phone calls at the Natual Cures company. So, I know it's only 30 bucks, but comon, no one likes to get scammed... right?


Thanks again for updating , rep for you!
 
bomber said:
No offense or anything but what did you expect to happen. I am not saying that you deserved it but you gave your money to a convicted conman offering miracle cures. Hmmm...does anyone else see the illogical reasoning here.
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This has happened to a lot of people. So why dont you cut the original poster some slack?
 
JCIN said:
Bishop, I know where your coming from but if I were you I wouldn't want that statement next my name. Just sayin man. Might wanna chill on the threats of contract murder.
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I never threatened anyone or anything, did I say I or anyone I know offers contract murder, that awefully presumtuous of you to assume my name is associated with contract murder because I poke fun at the industries shady rep. LMAO I should chill on the threats, maybe you should chill on ridiculous accusations and read between the lines. It was a sarcastic blub poking fun at all the crybabies here on the site that think billiards has a bad name.

In all seriousness though I am suprised with all that money being owed that no one has taken him out yet.

You can attach my name to that if you like.
 
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Fatboy said:
...Or he might have had whats legally defined as a "negitive trial option" which means a free trial period and it is encumbent on you to cancel the transaction and if you dont cancel it, then you agree that the transaction is cool and they bang your credit card or checking account. Its legal and if you ...
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I have the nagging thought that this "negative trial option" is not legal in Canada ... for anyone who cares about my nagging thoughts :o

Dave
 
DaveK said:
I have the nagging thought that this "negative trial option" is not legal in Canada ... for anyone who cares about my nagging thoughts :o

Dave
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it works like magic to make alot of $$$$,I use it in one of my gigs, they cant get rid of it because it has some tie to the constituion-the Feds hate it and it isnt the nicest way to do biz, but it isnt going away-it would take years for the Govt to stop it.
 
bomber,
I never purchased anything from Natural Cures ever. When I called Discover Card, they were the ones who told me that it was connected to Natural Cures. I have no idea how they got my info. In fact, they never said KT's name or anything pool related, but they did say it was definitely a charged associated to Natual Cures. Go ahead and call Discover card, and check it out for yourselves.
 
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