Naysayers Unite

I gotta write it, the hardcore CTE proponents are dislusional, plain and simple.

Not to mentioned closed minded.

The reviews of the DVD were really a product review. There were weak areas echoed by alot of people and the only real replies were that people are just unmotaviated or unwilling to learn the system. When maybe, the DVD could have been better.

But no, instead of looking at these reviews and learning in order to improve, the heads just go in the sand. Or maybe, if the DVD was TOO clear, the need for instruction would not be as great. I've enver seen any form of tech document or instruction that did not have several revisions. If the true intent was to grow CTE through the DVD, then any information on how to improve the product would have been welcomed.

How bout those that think the DVD and CTE just suck and do not post replies. I bet there are more of those than those that will get any long term gain form CTE.

Becoming a World Wide AIMING SYSTEM.......my sides hurt from laughing on that that one. Oh and the "in all countries", that was a good one.

Man, what a group of people that are so full of themselves.
 
You don't have to chalk your cue for a center ball hit on the cue ball.

There, I said it. I am an official naysayer, yes???:grin:

Maniac
 
Nick B said:
I can attribute 75% of my misses to trying to do something for position etc. Having to spin the rock and/or hit the cue ball at a curtain pace/spin forces my hand at times.
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This describes my shooting. Well, this and treating "easy" shots as if the ball is already in the pocket.
CTE kids work from a couple of reference spots, shift and adjust. The problems I believe are:
1. They adjust the pivot be feel by using memory to do what needs to be done.
2. The wheels fall off the system when you go to the edges for the thin cuts
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Eventually I will get around to buying the DVD, watching it, and trying to learn it. I'm on the fence on whether or not I think it's worth it, the biggest plus I see is most replices I've read from people that actually learn it, really practice and get it down, say good things. I admit I'm a bit lost on how it's supposed to work and the descriptions I've found make it sound like "feel" shooting with some extra gyrations thrown in. My suspicion is it forces you to look at the shot a different way, gives you a reasonable starting aim, then as seems to be the case with all "systems" feel and practice take care of the rest. However, I freely admit I don't KNOW the system. If I learn it and decide it's all bells and whistles with no real substance, I'm out $50 or so, no biggie. If it turns out useful and improves my play, then all the better.

I know I'm getting a bit off topic - correcting misinformation about aiming methods, but I just don't see how something like CTE can be debated to any conclusion here. It's been debated to death. It's been stated and supported many times that you need to learn Pro One/CTE from an instructor or DVD to really understand it. Whether this is part of the sales tactic or a simple fact I wouldn't know. What I can say is unless you really understand it, taught by an instructor or faithfully watched the DVD and practiced, how can anyone say it's BS? Or maybe the question should be, who has taken the time to really learn it then decided it doesn't work? What do those people have to say?
 
duckie said:
Like in the Voodoo Aiming Video thread with the statment that the system works for all shots when in fact thats not true.
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I've yet to find a shot that doesn't work.

duckie said:
And those shots used in the Voodoo Aiming Video thread to show that the system works, good grief, lets get some tough shots set up.
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Jesus dude... the video was not to show off my shotmaking abilities, it was to quickly and easily explain what I'm doing.

If you are going to teach someone addition, 2+2 is a good starting point.

If 2' shots were the only shots it worked with, it would be completely worthless to me.
 
duckie said:
I gotta write it, the hardcore CTE proponents are dislusional, plain and simple.
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As long as the ball goes in the pocket, call me what you want. I'm not here to defend it, I share what WORKS FOR ME. If it doesnt work for you, its worthless to you. If you havn't tried it, then you don't know either way. I've yet to show someone that gives it an honest stab for 20 minutes that is not surprised how well it works.
 
Gerry said:
which is more powerful?

knowing systems don't work, and learning nothing from them?

or, believing in and learning from them and having that belief build your confidence in your game?

of course systems work to an extent to deny that is silly, and when you find a shorcoming, you learn a new way to solve the problem. If you doubt this, talk to most any 3 cusion player.....almost ALL of them use systems, only one that I know of who didn't was Sang Lee......an AWSOME player RIP.

to turn your nose up at learning systems is basically like adding many years to your learning curve....I know this because that is what happened to me. It took me years to learn things instead of months....i was very proud of my stubborn ignorance :) "i play by feel, and it took me twice as long to get there" :cool:


I'll say this....after 25 years of playing I was a real good "A" player...with glaring flaws.

Since diving into the world of banking systems, aiming systems, diamond/kicking systems etc. my game picked up more in the last 2 years then in all the others combined.

Actually, it would be great if more players disagreed with systems and never learned them.....easier for the rest of us :)

G.
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Gerry,
What is not surprising to me is that with all the Systems talk there has been and due to the Systems that are out there that require some real work to get them that when some guy comes along who doesnt have a cte aiming system but some real methods to go by, its as if I get the blame for all the negative press.
Oh its cool its just what is happening now.
Well all I have to say is I will be around when they finally get done fighting. There are no systems that arent reference systems of some type that dont require you to finally look at the ball for the answer to the shot.

But, mine is the only one that knows your going to and gives you the clue.

Are they ready for it? No they would rather infight Im afraid. Oh well. Im around.


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Like in the Voodoo Aiming Video thread with the statment that the system works for all shots when in fact thats not true.
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I don't think Andrew ever claimed his system works for all shots. In fact, I think he posted a disclaimer on his video.

At least he was one of the few who took the time out to make a couple of videos and a PDF file to explain it as best as possible.

Someone had posted a ferulle aiming method a while back. I tried it and it works great for certain shots. Its up to you to decide which shots to use it on and which ones not to.
 
I don't consider myself part of the naysayer group or the other I just have a hard time with the aiming discussions. They focus wholeheartedly on a tiny part of pocketing balls. Your stroke mechanics and stance routine will sabotage your aiming method anyway until you develop stone cold consistency.

So when there are 50 page flame wars about aiming systems working or not It kinda drives me nuts. My thought the whole time is "is it really the aiming system that is to blame for missing balls?"

So when new players are reading through the aiming threads here on AZ they are getting a bizarre view on how important your aiming method really is.

If you shoot a long straight in shot is the percentage any different then if you are shooting a half ball cut? If you can't pocket a relatively long straight in shot 80 or 90 percent it doesn't really matter what method you use. (IMO) Your inconsistencies will trick you into thinking your aim is bad.

Maybe there is someone out there who could make straight in shots all day but they couldn't read the angles well if a shot had any cut to it. If that is the case there is an aiming method out there for you to solve all of your aiming woes.

Dudley
 
Dudley said:
I don't consider myself part of the naysayer group or the other I just have a hard time with the aiming discussions. They focus wholeheartedly on a tiny part of pocketing balls. Your stroke mechanics and stance routine will sabotage your aiming method anyway until you develop stone cold consistency.

So when there are 50 page flame wars about aiming systems working or not It kinda drives me nuts. My thought the whole time is "is it really the aiming system that is to blame for missing balls?"

So when new players are reading through the aiming threads here on AZ they are getting a bizarre view on how important your aiming method really is.

If you shoot a long straight in shot is the percentage any different then if you are shooting a half ball cut? If you can't pocket a relatively long straight in shot 80 or 90 percent it doesn't really matter what method you use. (IMO) Your inconsistencies will trick you into thinking your aim is bad.

Maybe there is someone out there who could make straight in shots all day but they couldn't read the angles well if a shot had any cut to it. If that is the case there is an aiming method out there for you to solve all of your aiming woes.

Dudley
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Psst...Dudley. This is a satirical thread. Comments from neutralites will not be well received. :nono:
 
Patrick Johnson said:
But it isn't understood fully on a table. Drawings and math can show you what's possible or impossible on the table.

pj
chgo
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True, but not everything that happens on the table can be proved with math and formulas....or at least easily. Some things just aren't worth it, because it won't make any difference.
 
I agree with Joey. Aiming systems are pure poppycock. Whatever the hell a poppycock is.
Aiming systems were designed for only one thing and that is to separate a fool from his money, and toward that end I suppose they do work.
As for the Pros who use an aiming system, let's hear the testimonials. They'll likely be few and far between.
Real pool players see it, hit it, and go on to the next one. :)
 
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