Need advice - deal not as expected

dakota

dakota

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I have enough respect for the seller to not mention any names or details because I believe he is a good honest seller, but I am just seeking advice. If you were doing a trade with someone or buying a cue and you were told the shafts (2) were 12.75mm and then you received the cue to find shafts at 12.50mm and 12.51mm what would you do?

I really prefer shaft size of between 12.80-13.00mm and when you start getting down to 12.5 that gets into a range that starts making me turn away from buying a cue. I'm sure it could just be a innocent mistake by the seller, but I'm looking for advice how other people would handle this type of situation?

It's a trade-up deal where someone sent me paypal plus a cue which seems to make the situation a little more complex. I am open to any advice and I'm mainly just curious how others would handle a situation like this?

Thanks,

Dakota
 
well a deals a deal.......if you did the deal cuz you thought the shafts were 12.75.........and its 12.5 and you dont like that, then its a problem. Id contact the guy and just let him know in a nice way that you wouldnt have done the deal if youd known the shafts were 12.5, maybe he will make it right. If he just eyeballed the shafts and didnt check em then its his fault. A mistake is a mistake, just cuz its not intentional doesnt mean you have to live with it.
 
I would ask nicely for my money back because product was not as described. If this is a good guy who sold you the cue, he will take that cue back minus shipping and refund your money.

Good luck
 
Is the shaft size a dealbreaker? If so, contact the person as stated above in a nice way and see what can be done. If not, and you're willing to keep the deal, cue and money, maybe you should consider selling it.
 
did you both check the shafts in the same way? is there an "accepted" way to measure them? the most common way i have seen is to use a digital caliper and come down the shaft with the tip touching the caliper. i have also seen some people measuring down just below the ferrule. i'm not certain myself of the "correct" method.

guy
 
Another option besides unwinding the whole deal is to come up with some sort of financial compromise, a figure you would feel OK about if you really want the cue regardless of the smaller shaft size. I had a similar deal where a buyer found the shaft not to his liking, but for another $100 off he was just fine with the deal. Maybe you can find common ground where there is a win/win solution rather than having bad blood over misrepresentation and buyer remorse. Good luck.
John
 
guycrunch said:
did you both check the shafts in the same way? is there an "accepted" way to measure them? the most common way i have seen is to use a digital caliper and come down the shaft with the tip touching the caliper. i have also seen some people measuring down just below the ferrule. i'm not certain myself of the "correct" method.

guy
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Guy,

Thanks for the feedback, I've seen it done both ways and I took this into consideration and measured it both ways. Either way that I measured it, the shafts were like 12.5 :( .

By the way, I prefer to just measure the ferrule right below the tip this way a mushroomed tip or something wierd doesn't come into play, but in this case I measured both ways to be sure. I even went as far as measuring some other shafts that I have for another cue and know the size of, just to be sure that my digital caliper was reading the shaft sizes right.
 
rayjay said:
Is the shaft size a dealbreaker? If so, contact the person as stated above in a nice way and see what can be done. If not, and you're willing to keep the deal, cue and money, maybe you should consider selling it.
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I am trying to work out something with the seller, but I am concerned that no matter what these smaller shafts will hurt my resale price if I ever decide to sell this cue?

Does anyone else agree that small shaft sizes like 12.5 or below kill the resale value of cues?

If I were to consider the price of a cue, if it had more than one shaft, but the extra shafts were small like 12.5 or below, then I wouldn't even consider smaller shafts like this to add any value to the deal. In fact, if at least one shaft isn't 12.8 - 13.0mm then I think the value of the cue is less since no original shafts of regular size are included.

Thanks again for the feedback!

Dakota
 
well, i just took 3 13mm shafts from members of my league to joe callaluca to have him turn them down to 12.5mm. these are all good players and they are convinced they get better playabilty and action with the thinner shaft. i hear this a lot on az and yet an az we also seem to consider anything less than 13mm inferior.

guy
 
dakota said:
I am trying to work out something with the seller, but I am concerned that no matter what these smaller shafts will hurt my resale price if I ever decide to sell this cue?

Does anyone else agree that small shaft sizes like 12.5 or below kill the resale value of cues?

If I were to consider the price of a cue, if it had more than one shaft, but the extra shafts were small like 12.5 or below, then I wouldn't even consider smaller shafts like this to add any value to the deal. In fact, if at least one shaft isn't 12.8 - 13.0mm then I think the value of the cue is less since no original shafts of regular size are included.

Thanks again for the feedback!

Dakota
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Just sold a higher end cue --- with requested 12.5 mm shafts ---
 
dakota said:
I am trying to work out something with the seller, but I am concerned that no matter what these smaller shafts will hurt my resale price if I ever decide to sell this cue?

Does anyone else agree that small shaft sizes like 12.5 or below kill the resale value of cues?

If I were to consider the price of a cue, if it had more than one shaft, but the extra shafts were small like 12.5 or below, then I wouldn't even consider smaller shafts like this to add any value to the deal. In fact, if at least one shaft isn't 12.8 - 13.0mm then I think the value of the cue is less since no original shafts of regular size are included.

Thanks again for the feedback!

Dakota
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I've always lliked my tips right at 12.5.
 
Shaft sizes...

I prefer a 12.7-13mm shaft. If someone says they are xxx then they have to be xxx. I measure all my shafts because anything under 12.65 is very hard to sell. For resale its almost a must to have as close to a full 13mm as possible.

For me, it lays out like this...

I buy a Southwest 6 point cue for 1500.00, I get it and the shafts are 12.5. I know the shafts from SW are like 20 weeks and 250 ea. Thats almost a half year I need to lay out 2000.00 to make a few hundred. And its a maybe. Sorry, but you need to deduct the shaft cost and time, if its a premium cuemaker. This is why its tough to sell Southwest cues with low shafts.

What gets me though is alot of people just flat out guess. They feel the shaft and say yup.. its a 13mm. You use a caliper and 12.5/12.2, I just don't get it.

JV
 
Full size shafts (13mm) do have a better resale potential than smaller because (1.) they are seen as original size, original taper, not sanded, and (2.) if someone wants to, they can always size them down. So the full shaft will appeal to more potential buyers. But if the cue is right, you shouldn't have to lose money because the shafts are 12.5, it just may take a little longer to sell. 12.5mm isn't all that far out of line, especially if they were ordered that way. I personally like thinner shafts...11.5 to 12.2mm...I just have to watch out for amateur sanding resulting in an "hourglass" taper.
 
classiccues said:
I prefer a 12.7-13mm shaft. If someone says they are xxx then they have to be xxx. I measure all my shafts because anything under 12.65 is very hard to sell. For resale its almost a must to have as close to a full 13mm as possible.

For me, it lays out like this...

I buy a Southwest 6 point cue for 1500.00, I get it and the shafts are 12.5. I know the shafts from SW are like 20 weeks and 250 ea. Thats almost a half year I need to lay out 2000.00 to make a few hundred. And its a maybe. Sorry, but you need to deduct the shaft cost and time, if its a premium cuemaker. This is why its tough to sell Southwest cues with low shafts.

What gets me though is alot of people just flat out guess. They feel the shaft and say yup.. its a 13mm. You use a caliper and 12.5/12.2, I just don't get it.

JV
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I completely agree Joe. When I am looking at a cue, if the shaft is below 12.7mm I start thinking about the cost of a new shaft and if I am willing to spend that amount and wait for that amount of time. Thanks again for the feedback, it was interesting to hear everyones opinions.

Thanks,

Dakota
 
!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You get 10,000 testimonials how people like smaller shafts. Then when you show it to someone all get to hear is if the shafts were 13mm I would be a buyer. I'm through buying cues with shafts below 12.7. If you are going to sell cues you need calipers an a good set of scales. I would feel at 12.5 all I had traded for was a butt. If I were you I would either want enough cash to have shaft made by cue maker or trade back no hard feelings.
Pinocchio
 
Pinocchio said:
You get 10,000 testimonials how people like smaller shafts. Then when you show it to someone all get to hear is if the shafts were 13mm I would be a buyer. I'm through buying cues with shafts below 12.7. If you are going to sell cues you need calipers an a good set of scales. I would feel at 12.5 all I had traded for was a butt. If I were you I would either want enough cash to have shaft made by cue maker or trade back no hard feelings.
Pinocchio
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Pinocchio,

I agree with you 100%. I am talking to the seller and there are no hard feelings and I think we will probably work something out. I agree with you completely that when I get shafts at 12.5mm I feel like I just got a cue butt. To make matters worse it is a trade up where I was taking a nice sneaky plus cash on trade and when you look at the cost of a nice sneaky probably 1/2 to 1/3 the cost is just the shaft value.

Thanks again for everyone's input and feedback. I am going to let this thread die and work things out with the seller. Everyone has been very helpful in giving me advice and opinions.

Thanks,

Dakota
 
let me at um!

dakota said:
Pinocchio,

I agree with you 100%. I am talking to the seller and there are no hard feelings and I think we will probably work something out. I agree with you completely that when I get shafts at 12.5mm I feel like I just got a cue butt. To make matters worse it is a trade up where I was taking a nice sneaky plus cash on trade and when you look at the cost of a nice sneaky probably 1/2 to 1/3 the cost is just the shaft value.

Thanks again for everyone's input and feedback. I am going to let this thread die and work things out with the seller. Everyone has been very helpful in giving me advice and opinions.

Thanks,

Dakota
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let me at um dakota ill handle it!!! what did you end up with now? cecil bought my new swift! was it the bender you moved or the wrapless schon?
 
It's up to you to decide what to do....but the 12.5mm shafts would be a complete deal buster for me. I would try to totally undo the deal. And the other party owes you that much.

dakota said:
I have enough respect for the seller to not mention any names or details because I believe he is a good honest seller, but I am just seeking advice. If you were doing a trade with someone or buying a cue and you were told the shafts (2) were 12.75mm and then you received the cue to find shafts at 12.50mm and 12.51mm what would you do?

I really prefer shaft size of between 12.80-13.00mm and when you start getting down to 12.5 that gets into a range that starts making me turn away from buying a cue. I'm sure it could just be a innocent mistake by the seller, but I'm looking for advice how other people would handle this type of situation?

It's a trade-up deal where someone sent me paypal plus a cue which seems to make the situation a little more complex. I am open to any advice and I'm mainly just curious how others would handle a situation like this?

Thanks,

Dakota
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I agree with your shaft diameter measuring method Dakota and observe all cuemakers I know to measure the ferrule right below the tip. Ferrules can be a bit pointed, especially after several tip changes. What is the diameter right below the ferrule? Is there a possibility that new ferrules would bring the shaft size up a bit? To me there is a difference between 12.5mm and 12.75mm. I believe the market for a cue gets smaller as you move away from 13mm. I hope your deal works out.

Martin


dakota said:
I am trying to work out something with the seller, but I am concerned that no matter what these smaller shafts will hurt my resale price if I ever decide to sell this cue?

Does anyone else agree that small shaft sizes like 12.5 or below kill the resale value of cues?

If I were to consider the price of a cue, if it had more than one shaft, but the extra shafts were small like 12.5 or below, then I wouldn't even consider smaller shafts like this to add any value to the deal. In fact, if at least one shaft isn't 12.8 - 13.0mm then I think the value of the cue is less since no original shafts of regular size are included.

Thanks again for the feedback!

Dakota
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