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deanoc

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somedays i miss every shot,i am a better than average player but my banks are poor,is there a way of determining exactly where on the rail to hit the object ball
i am very serious ,and willing to buy a book or tape or whatever,some games i miss 4 or more banks about an inch from the hole on the inside

dean

one pocket banks
 
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deanoc said:
somedays i misss every shot,i am a better than average player but my banks are poor,is there a way of determining exactly where on the rail to hit the object ball
i am very serious ,and willing to buy a book or tape or whatever,some games i miss 4 or more banks about an inch from the hole on the inside
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FYI, there's some good online bank and kick info here:


Good luck with your banking,
Dave
 
Just a suggestion, try hitting your shots a little softer and see if you make them. If your consistently missing to the inside, a softer shot will widen the angle.
 
deanoc said:
....willing to buy a book ....
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That's good, because there is a book that explains an outstanding system (many systems actually) on banks.

http://www.bankingwiththebeard.com/

I bought the book directly from Freddy (who is a fairly active AZ member btw) with no problems and it arrived quickly. You'll be amazed at this book, I continue to be impressed with his knowledge. My percentages went up significantly on 1 rail banks after working through some of Freddys systems, and I'm sure yours will too.

Dave
 
deanoc said:
somedays i miss every shot,i am a better than average player but my banks are poor,is there a way of determining exactly where on the rail to hit the object ball
i am very serious ,and willing to buy a book or tape or whatever,some games i miss 4 or more banks about an inch from the hole on the inside

dean

one pocket banks
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Yes, there is a method. This would be much easier with a simple picture but here goes...First off you shoot through the diamonds on the rail not directly at a point on the cushion perpendicular to the diamond.

So draw an imaginary line through all the diamonds around the table creating a big rectangle. I will call this the diamond line.

To use a cross side bank as an example...(assuming that the object ball is off the rail at least six inches)...

1) Draw an imaginary perpendicular line through the object ball to the side rail that you are going to bank the ball off of and note where it intersects the diamond line.

2) Next draw an imaginary line from the center of one side pocket to the center of the opposite side pocket.

3) Lay a cue diagonally through the center of the object ball and through the center of the side pocket which is on the same rail that you are going to bank the ball off of.

4) Next make an X by laying a second cue from the center of the target side pocket to the point defined in step #1.

5) The 2 cues will intersect somewhere between the object ball and the target pocket. Draw an imaginary perpendicular line from that intersect point to diamond line on the banking rail. Put a piece of chalk at that point on the diamond line.

6) Hit your object ball "through" the piece of chalk.

If you can follow all that and make sense of it then bank shots should be cake. :wink:

That's enough geometry for one post. :-)
 
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DaveK said:
That's good, because there is a book that explains an outstanding system (many systems actually) on banks.

http://www.bankingwiththebeard.com/

I bought the book directly from Freddy (who is a fairly active AZ member btw) with no problems and it arrived quickly. You'll be amazed at this book, I continue to be impressed with his knowledge. My percentages went up significantly on 1 rail banks after working through some of Freddys systems, and I'm sure yours will too.

Dave
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In a perfect world, that 'system' will work. However, there are several variables that can cause a bank to miss...speed and spin being two of the most obvious. In order for your description to work, the OB has to be rolling, upon impact with the rail. If it skids into the rail (read: hit harder), it will always bank short.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

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Yes, there is a method. This would be much easier with a simple picture but here goes...First off you shoot through the diamonds on the rail not directly at a point on the cushion perpendicular to the diamond.

So draw an imaginary line through all the diamonds around the table creating a big rectangle. I will call this the diamond line.

To use a cross side bank as an example...(assuming that the object ball is off the rail at least six inches)...

1) Draw an imaginary perpendicular line through the object ball to the side rail that you are going to bank the ball off of and note where it intersects the diamond line.

2) Next draw an imaginary line from the center of one side pocket to the center of the opposite side pocket.

3) Lay a cue diagonally through the center of the object ball and through the center of the side pocket which is on the same rail that you are going to bank the ball off of.

4) Next make an X by laying a second cue from the center of the target side pocket to the point defined in step #1.

5) The 2 cues will intersect somewhere between the object ball and the target pocket. Draw an imaginary perpendicular line from that intersect point to diamond line on the banking rail. Put a piece of chalk at that point on the diamond line.

6) Hit your object ball "through" the piece of chalk.

If you can follow all that and make sense of it then bank shots should be cake. :wink:

That's enough geometry for one post. :-)
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fd_colorado said:
Yes, there is a method. This would be much easier with a simple picture but here goes...First off you shoot through the diamonds on the rail not directly at a point on the cushion perpendicular to the diamond.

So draw an imaginary line through all the diamonds around the table creating a big rectangle. I will call this the diamond line.

To use a cross side bank as an example...(assuming that the object ball is off the rail at least six inches)...

1) Draw an imaginary perpendicular line through the object ball to the side rail that you are going to bank the ball off of and note where it intersects the diamond line.

2) Next draw an imaginary line from the center of one side pocket to the center of the opposite side pocket.

3) Lay a cue diagonally through the center of the object ball and through the center of the side pocket which is on the same rail that you are going to bank the ball off of.

4) Next make an X by laying a second cue from the center of the target side pocket to the point defined in step #1.

5) The 2 cues will intersect somewhere between the object ball and the target pocket. Draw an imaginary perpendicular line from that intersect point to diamond line on the banking rail. Put a piece of chalk at that point on the diamond line.

6) Hit your object ball "through" the piece of chalk.

If you can follow all that and make sense of it then bank shots should be cake. :wink:

That's enough geometry for one post. :-)
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Anyone ambitious enough to put this on CUETABLE?
 
deanoc said:
somedays i miss every shot,i am a better than average player but my banks are poor,is there a way of determining exactly where on the rail to hit the object ball
i am very serious ,and willing to buy a book or tape or whatever,some games i miss 4 or more banks about an inch from the hole on the inside

dean

one pocket banks
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For simple banks (Mostly cross side/corner) the book 99 Critical shots in pool has the best method to learn. The rest come with experience, feel and lots of observation of experienced players.

Things like speed and english are this biggest under estimated factors in a good bank.

Sorry for no real answer. But if you're pre-pared to read there's lots out there that'll help. And videos too.
 
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second or third the idea to get banking with the beard. An exceptional book in all respects, and you will surely learn something from it.
Jon
 
thanks for the help,is the cd the same as the book Banking with the beard?

please keep the info coming,and pm me if you have a book or article or cd that addresses thespecific problem

i am a buyer of the above
 
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