Exactly why there is so much sandbagging in the league... and I can't blame anyone for wanting to still have fun in this.
(not to mention that a 7 on the team makes the 23 rule difficult)
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Exactly why there is so much sandbagging in the league... and I can't blame anyone for wanting to still have fun in this.
(not to mention that a 7 on the team makes the 23 rule difficult)
My guess is your LO just miss spoke and meant that the formula dosen't change but the stats/factors from various games vary each week.
Try managing a team with a 7 and two 6's! I'm a three, so I get to play A LOT! (Make that HAVE to play...) :embarrassed2:
(We started this team configuration last session, with two 6's and a bunch of new players, me included. One of the new guys starts as a 4, get's bumped to a 6 second week, and one of our 6's got bumped to a 7 next week. Makes for some interesting juggling, to get everyone enough matches.)
That still doesn't make a whole lot of sense. The inning for Player "A" should be marked as soon as Player "A" steps up to the table to begin shooting, not afterward when Player "B" is walking up to the table nor after his/her turn ends.
It's just like baseball -- the inning begins (and is marked on the scoreboard as such) as soon as the first batter of the first team steps into the box. When asked "what inning is it?" the respondee doesn't answer second inning because "the third inning hasn't finished yet."
Or am I out on Pluto with this one?
-Sean
Also make sure they are marking down any of your defenses if you are having high inning games. Being a high ranked player in APA sucks. I don't play 8 ball anymore but I'm a 9 in 9 ball and barely get to play at all. Real waste of time as far as playing but I get to hang out and drink with friends so I do it.
From the APA offical Team Manual:
"An inning is not over and, therefore,
not marked until the player who lost the lag misses or fouls."............
"Mark complete innings only. If a player breaks and runs a rack,
the inning is not over yet because he is still shooting (breaking)
in the next game. Mark a zero (0) in the game box. An inning
is never marked until the player who lost the lag, and who is the
bottom half of the inning throughout the entire match, MISSES OR
FOULS. An inning is not over at the end of a match unless the bottom
player loses the match on his final shot."
"An inning is not over and, therefore,
not marked until the player who lost the lag misses or fouls."............
"Mark complete innings only. If a player breaks and runs a rack,
the inning is not over yet because he is still shooting (breaking)
in the next game. Mark a zero (0) in the game box. An inning
is never marked until the player who lost the lag, and who is the
bottom half of the inning throughout the entire match, MISSES OR
FOULS. An inning is not over at the end of a match unless the bottom
player loses the match on his final shot."
Justin's comment is spot on, innings are marked when they end, not when they begin.
Justin:
Ah! Thank you! Just goes to show my "outsider's" lack of knowledge of APA official rules, as I mentioned earlier. I wonder why they implemented the innings this way? I mean a break-and-run is not an inning at the table until the very next rack, when both he (the BnR executee as well as the opposing player) have either missed or played a defensive shot in that next rack? Hmph. Interesting methodology to say the least.
Anyway, thanks again!
-Sean
If you want to get bumped just simply ask for you to be moved up.
If that does not work here is another way that might work. Everytime you go to pocket a ball call safe and have that entered as a defensive shot. Last time I checked in APA you can't pocket a ball and call safe so you keep shooting. I believe the number of defensive shots are considered in your handicap and they offset the number of innings you have. That is why the league puts such a high importance on keeping track of defensive shots. Of course you might be accused of reverse sandbagging because of it.
If that does not work here is another way that might work. Everytime you go to pocket a ball call safe and have that entered as a defensive shot. Last time I checked in APA you can't pocket a ball and call safe so you keep shooting. I believe the number of defensive shots are considered in your handicap and they offset the number of innings you have. That is why the league puts such a high importance on keeping track of defensive shots. Of course you might be accused of reverse sandbagging because of it.
Sean, I would GUESS that they did it this way to indicate how many times the lag-loser got to shoot.
For example, if you and I were playing, ... I won the lag... and then B n R'd every rack until I met my race requirement... then the total innings would be "0" and that would tell the LO that you never got out of your seat to get a chance to shoot when working out your side of the handicapping formula.
If you marked innings the way you described, then the LO might think you got to shoot several times but still lost.
I see your point, but aren't the innings marked per-player? (I don't have an APA scoresheet in front of me, so please forgive the silly question.) If they are, a break-n-run would be recorded as "1 - 0" innings-wise for the BnR executee and opposing player, respectively. (So the "0" would still indicate that opposing player never stepped foot up to the table.)
But, if the innings are marked only one time, in one box, for BOTH players at once, then that would make sense.
Thanks for the clarification! (And apologies for the slight diversion in this thread, but methinks it was worthwhile to the discussion related to calculating skill levels, no?)
-Sean
Still not quite right. You are correct in that a break-n-run would be 0 innings; however, once that same player missed during the next rack an inning would be marked. Therefore, if this player ran down to the 8 and scratched, losing the game, an inning would be marked. The opposing player does not necessarily need to shoot for the inning to be marked.
a sure way to skl 7
newstroke,
one other way not yet metioned is to play and beat the LO or thier spouse and i bet you will be a 7 from now on. a player on my team played the LO's wife 4 months ago and beat her very handily even getting out of her defensive shots with ease. my player has been a 7 ever since even though he is in a slump right now and cant win squat. just my thoughts
Mike
newstroke,
one other way not yet metioned is to play and beat the LO or thier spouse and i bet you will be a 7 from now on. a player on my team played the LO's wife 4 months ago and beat her very handily even getting out of her defensive shots with ease. my player has been a 7 ever since even though he is in a slump right now and cant win squat. just my thoughts
Mike
Thinking out loud..... Examing your motivation...
your personal goals are admirable. your part of a team, if your personal goals interfere with or hamper the teams ability to perform at it's highest level perhaps you should re-examine the bar by which you are measuring your goal.
at a SL7, you are making it more difficult and changing the options of what remaining team members are able to be fielded by your captain (re; 23). thus your goal as it is being stated is in direct conflict with the teams goal. to win, and to give itself the best chance of doing that.
sure its good for your ego to be a "SL7" or whatever, is it in the best interest of the team for this arbitrary number to be the stick by which you personally have been measuring your success or growth as a player? not so much. your personal goal (which at all times should be secondary to the team goal) should be to be the best player that you can be at whatever that magic number happens to be. if your going to have a goal, your goal should be undefeated sessions, to do what is asked of you everytime your team needs you. quite simply that is winning. the "SL" number will come.
be the best player you can be, the is measured ONLY by wins and losses. Help your team mates be the best players they can be at whatever number the APA machine attaches to them. the APA will continue to thier personal goal which is to propagate teams (ie; profit). don't attach your goal to thiers, in the end that is a direct conflict of the most important factor in this equation. Your team.
your personal goals are admirable. your part of a team, if your personal goals interfere with or hamper the teams ability to perform at it's highest level perhaps you should re-examine the bar by which you are measuring your goal.
at a SL7, you are making it more difficult and changing the options of what remaining team members are able to be fielded by your captain (re; 23). thus your goal as it is being stated is in direct conflict with the teams goal. to win, and to give itself the best chance of doing that.
sure its good for your ego to be a "SL7" or whatever, is it in the best interest of the team for this arbitrary number to be the stick by which you personally have been measuring your success or growth as a player? not so much. your personal goal (which at all times should be secondary to the team goal) should be to be the best player that you can be at whatever that magic number happens to be. if your going to have a goal, your goal should be undefeated sessions, to do what is asked of you everytime your team needs you. quite simply that is winning. the "SL" number will come.
be the best player you can be, the is measured ONLY by wins and losses. Help your team mates be the best players they can be at whatever number the APA machine attaches to them. the APA will continue to thier personal goal which is to propagate teams (ie; profit). don't attach your goal to thiers, in the end that is a direct conflict of the most important factor in this equation. Your team.
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Which is Harder? Getting There or Staying There?
The only ones doing that would be your teammates. I wonder if it is harder to move up to a 7, or stay a 7, once you have moved up. It seems like you have to be destroying people (low innings per rack average) to move up to a 7, but once you are there, that you can stay a 7, simply by maintaining a high winning percentage (regardless of average innings per rack). Obviously the spot you give up becomes greater once you become a 7, but do you have to be destroying people to stay a 7, or just continue to win once you get there? I've never heard of anyone at any skill level winning over 50% of their matches and moving down.
The only ones doing that would be your teammates. I wonder if it is harder to move up to a 7, or stay a 7, once you have moved up. It seems like you have to be destroying people (low innings per rack average) to move up to a 7, but once you are there, that you can stay a 7, simply by maintaining a high winning percentage (regardless of average innings per rack). Obviously the spot you give up becomes greater once you become a 7, but do you have to be destroying people to stay a 7, or just continue to win once you get there? I've never heard of anyone at any skill level winning over 50% of their matches and moving down.
win all you matches
Win all your matches, THEN you will become a 7.
Or directly after you get to Vegas.
Win all your matches, THEN you will become a 7.
Or directly after you get to Vegas.
I'm not sure about this one. If the loser of the lag loses a rack on an S8, we always marked the inning in that rack, since it was in that rack that the inning ended. Same thing if the winner of the lag was on the hill, and the loser of the lag lost the match by scratching on the 8, the inning would be counted in that last rack. Have we been doing this incorrectly?
