New Info Regarding APA Rankings

TimKrazyMon said:
Here's the deal. The formula itself doesn't change, the #'s that get plugged in do. The handicap is based on the best 10 scores out of your last 20 matches (in 8-ball, 12 of last 20 in 9-ball).
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Thank you for the explaination...Finally the straight answer I've been looking for.

A member on my team was 17% win last session. This session, he won his first 2 matches against 2 threes and APA bumped him up to a 4. Was confusing to say the least. He doesn't play safes and the innings are always high. Hell he can't even beat the threes on his own team.

I will be looking at the past score sheets for some answers...
 
mm4pool said:
actually the game would be marked 0 innings and SO8, the inning would be marked in the next rack once the incoming player broke, shot and missed or fouled.

Mike
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The way you are describing it is that you change the person you mark after because the opposing player would be breaking in this instance. I don't think that is correct.

I agree with the S08 marking; however, I am pretty sure you would mark the inning because that players turn has ended in something other than a win.
 
Big Perm said:
I want some worms, the gummi kind :D

Yum

Dan, just request to be moved to a 7, problem solved :thumbup:

I quit the APA in Dallas years upon years ago as a 7. While I was in Florida, I started APA again to meet some people - the records were too old, they couldn't find me and wanted me to start as a 4. Called the LO, told him I didn't want to be labeled as a sandbagger, we negotiated and agreed on a 6 and so it was....

If you want to get bumped, just call him. If you are winning 75% of your matches against similar opponents, you should get bumped anyway.
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ain't that the b*tch to beat all b*tches. i played in the ft. lauderdale fl. apa back in the early 90's. i stopped playing for 13 years. didn't pick up a cue - nothing. moved hear to ga. in 07 and for the same reason as you decide to join the apa again. they tell me they got everything on my ass and if i want to play i am still a 5. now i wasn't that good when i played the first go around - i really sucked when i started back up. it hurt for two or three sessions before i got competitive and decided to take this seriously. now i usually have sessions in the mid to high 60% range. last session i was in the mid to high 70% range and didn't go up. but i play smart and play safe alot and some of those don't get marked - by either team - so i don't have a lot of low inning games. i also don't have a lot of shut out type wins.
 
Predator5K4 said:
The only ones doing that would be your teammates. I wonder if it is harder to move up to a 7, or stay a 7, once you have moved up. It seems like you have to be destroying people (low innings per rack average) to move up to a 7, but once you are there, that you can stay a 7, simply by maintaining a high winning percentage (regardless of average innings per rack). Obviously the spot you give up becomes greater once you become a 7, but do you have to be destroying people to stay a 7, or just continue to win once you get there? I've never heard of anyone at any skill level winning over 50% of their matches and moving down.
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It doesn't matter how badly you play, if you are a 7 and you win, then you are considered playing at the 7 level and won't go down.
 
sfleinen said:
TheBook:


My question is ethically and technically, how does one "not mark" the last inning, unless in some parts of the country, innings are not marked as soon as the player steps up to the table, but are rather marked "post missed shot"?

Appreciate any insight here,
-Sean
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A inning consist of both players completing their turn. If the first player breaks and runs that is a win but it is not a inning. He keeps playing until he does not make a ball. The inning is only complete after the second player does not make a ball. If the 2nd player wins the game the innning is still not complete because he is still at the table.

Many captains want to add as many innnings as possible as a way of sandbagging. If a player needs only to win 2 games ( a 3 playing a 5) and wins the lag he breaks the first rack. He makes the 8 on the break and he wins that game. Winner breaks so he breaks again and makes the 8 again either on the break or got real lucky and did a B and R. He won both games and the match but there is no inning because the other player never had a chance to shoot.

In baseball the inning is not complete untill both teams make their final out unless the home team is leading. An example is a game called for weather or curfew. If a game is incomplete I don't think any of the stats count either.
 
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My understanding (from a post long ago on RSB) is that it is number of innings played that is most important in determining rankings. Ya, there are a lot of other factors, but the most important is the average, or total, number of innings played in a match. If you can finish the next few weeks by averaging less that 1.99 innings per evening (match), you should see your handicap go up.
 
NewStroke said:
Aside from playing in clown shoes and left handed, I would like to up the challenge.
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:shrug: What's wrong with playing in clown shoes?? Seriously I wish everyone would strive to get their handicap better. I heard a guy whom was/is a 6 say that his goal is to be the best 6 in the league. Does he mean that he wants to be the best "sandbagger in the league" My goal would certainly be to be the best player in the league.
 
I'd really like to know how this formula is done. When I played APA back 10 or so years ago I was a 4. I ended up getting pretty decent and winning every match I was in for a year and a half against 5s and above before they moved me up to a 5.

I'm thinking the formula is to let someone win until someone complains by phone or email and then they move em up.

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I came back to playing after a 10 year hiatus the other year and now play APA 9 ball. I'm dealing with the same thing now. I did have a funny thing happen the other week though. I played a guy that I had played before and beat. He complained that I was ranked too low (I beat him 18-2) and I agreed, but I don't rank myself so what am I to do. I played him again Sunday and this time they had moved me up one rank and I beat him 20-0 this time......yes he was still complaining.
 
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8Ball48043 said:
My understanding (from a post long ago on RSB) is that it is number of innings played that is most important in determining rankings. Ya, there are a lot of other factors, but the most important is the average, or total, number of innings played in a match. If you can finish the next few weeks by averaging less that 1.99 innings per evening (match), you should see your handicap go up.
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The only thing this does not account for is the quality of competition you play because it says it does not matter. :rolleyes:
Having played on a team with a LO(who gave me this link), if your beating quality 6/7 caliber opponents pretty regularly, no matter what innings you got, your going up...
 
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gunzby said:
I'd really like to know how this formula is done. When I played APA back 10 or so years ago I was a 4. I ended up getting pretty decent and winning every match I was in for a year and a half against 5s and above before they moved me up to a 5.

I'm thinking the formula is to let someone win until someone complains by phone or email and then they move em up.

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I came back to playing after a 10 year hiatus the other year and now play APA 9 ball. I'm dealing with the same thing now. I did have a funny thing happen the other week though. I played a guy that I had played before and beat. He complained that I was ranked too low (I beat him 18-2) and I agreed, but I don't rank myself so what am I to do. I played him again Sunday and this time they had moved me up one rank and I beat him 20-0 this time......yes he was still complaining.
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It seems that perhaps you are ranked too low or perhaps him too high or both. If the sides are of semi = Balance the scores should reflect atleast a little closer than that.

Good Luck,
DR
 
NewStroke said:
I asked my league operator what it was going to take to break into the 7 skill level (it's a personal goal since I have to be in this league). Here was his official email response

"Each week the formula changes depending upon many factors. It is hard to predict your skill level. "

Isn't that a kick in the pants?
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If you're a regular winner I would make sure they count your safeties. The scorekeeper honestly or dishonestly is usually a player who doesn't know what a safety is supposed to be. Also if you have a inconsistent break those extra turns will add up.

Enjoy your time as a 6 once you're a 7 you'll find eligibility for teams difficult.

If you're really or perceived a "7" caliber you'll be adjusted once your team makes regional or higher tournaments. You might even start as a 6 and by the end of the tournament find yourself a 9 (yes this happened to me).

I don't play APA anymore, but I find it interesting how when you compete outside your local area (regional or higher) your SL gets raised by a "unbiased" observer. Meanwhile they have 4's who are running 2 or more racks, but he or she is having a "good night".

The 23 rule is brilliant because it creates a never ending cycle of forming new teams for more revenue. I always thought it should be at least 25 because especially in remote areas there are only so many teams and when your a 7 or 9 it leaves you nowhere to go.
 
The trick is to not WANT to go up. APA laws are also subject to Murphy's laws.

Get on a team with exactly 23 and you'll be a 7 in no time.
 
MikeyFrost is right. When you move up to a SL7 in the APA, you are very limited to playing, both on league nights and your eligibilty in tourneys. Newstroke, why not put a few $$ up on the side to help with the challenging part of the APA? Just a suggestion. I used to play every league night as a 6, and as soon as I went to a 7 years ago, my # of matches played has gone down significantly. As a result, I stopped playing 8 ball and focused on 9.
 
apa is the lowest form of league pool. they only want low skill level players. tap league has a much better future imo.

here in maryland, apa is losing members while tap is making significant gains.

i believe this is mostly due to the 25 rule as opposed to 23.
 
poscdr09 said:
Heres a link for ya...
http://www.chillingeffects.org/dmca512/notice.cgi?action=image_495

The only thing this does not account for is the quality of competition you play because it says it does not matter. :rolleyes:
Having played on a team with a LO(who gave me this link), if your beating quality 6/7 caliber opponents pretty regularly, no matter what innings you got, your going up...
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the formula in that link must have something missing.

(innings-safetys)/win doesnt come out to a skill level number. if a 3 averages 5 innings per win for their 10 best weeks, and they win 70%, how does that equal a skill level 3?
 
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Note that it's from 1982, you can use it as a guideline but I'd imagine they've modified it since then. You also need to factor in the "applied Winning percentage"
Your example: "if a 3 averages 5 innings per win " would equate to 10/2=5. The 5 is the "Range" which says a SL3 goes from 5.01 to 7.00. Therefore it's a border line VERY weak SL4 or SL3.

Edit to say if a 3 is at 70% then the maximum score you have entered is 5.3. Meaning if you averaged 7 innings a game, it won't matter. That's my take on the applied scoring.
 
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